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2007-04-22 11:25 AM

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Subject: Swim Training and yards v. meters in my logs

i have an issue, looked back a few pages in this forum (my first time ever looking at this area on the site) to see if anyone has ever asked this question because i can't believe i am the first person.  or maybe this is something the site already does and its a feature i just don't understand/know of.

has to do with yards and meters and heres the background.  i couldn't for the life of me figure out why i always swim slower in my "home" pool, the one at the gym where i log 90% of all my swimming.  i've even made comments that the water "just must be different" in it because i was faster in all other water.  well the solution was so simple that its almost embarrasing and i wouldn't have figured it out if i hadn't swam a 1:05 100 in a new pool last week.  it was so much faster than usual that i knew something had to be wrong.  i discovered a sign on the wall that said 44 laps = 1 mile.  after some math i realized that i had not swam a 1:05 100, it was a 1:05 80!  back home it got me wondering so i called the gym and found out, after swimming there for a year, that the pool is not 25 yards, its 25 meters.  ever 100 i have ever done there is really 109.36.

currently if i change my settings to meters in the logs it changes everything, it becomes min/100 meters and my totals show up in meters too.  could it be made possible that distances be entered in either yards or meters and a conversion to a preferred unit of measure be made internally so that all paces and totals show up in a the desired unit?  i'm trying to avoid having to convert meters to yards manually every time just to keep all my paces and totals in yards which i am more familiar with than meters. 



2007-04-22 12:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim Training and yards v. meters in my logs

Since you have a mix of home vs gym pool episodes, it would be hard for us to go back into the database to apply changes, here is what you can do though:

Go back into your 'gym' swims, 'edit todays log' for every gym swim day you need to correct and just simply change the pace dropdown from 'Min/100Yards' to 'Min/100Meters' for each workouts.  Click 'calc' to apply the corrected pace and 'save' each it.  That should update all of those gym swim workouts.

When you log, you will have to make sure you specify yards or meters everytime in the 'pace' dropdown since you are using a mix.

When that is done, all pace 'averages' in reports/graphs will be in the units set in your control panel.  I would now suggest using the 'Meters' unit in the control panel since you do most of your swimming with the Meters at the gym.  Whatever unit IS set, the pace dropdown defaults to that in the logging screen and will be the conversion for pace reports.  Whenever you do a infrequent home swim, you just have to make sure when you are adding that workout, that you select the 'Min/100Yards' pace dropdown before saving it.

2007-04-22 4:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim Training and yards v. meters in my logs
yeah, i think it would be a chore to try and change everything.  i don't really want to do that.  what i am wondering is if when Marmadaddy is doing his thing, if he could add one more function, to allow for the input of data in yards or meters independant of the one you have chosen to have everything displayed.  the site would do the conversion, if necessary, and everything going forward would show up in the correct distances.
2007-04-22 5:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim Training and yards v. meters in my logs

Tag, I had the same issue about a year ago.  Found out my 'home' pool was M, not yards.  Very similar story...I always thought it was yards, but then some kid ralphed in the pool, so I went outside (my LTF has 4 pools to choose from in the summer) to a 2ndary pool.  I started lapping about 3 seconds faster per '25', and wondered WTF? 

Anyway, I asked the question way back when, and the answer is the same.  I chose to leave all my swims in yards and the display in yards, so that I get consistent reporting....even though every single swim I do is in a Meter pool.

Now...I just take my swim (if it's 2000m) and multiply by 1.098 to get the distance in yards.  Wait, that's too hard, I just add 10%.  So for, err, forever, I'll be blogging in yards but swimming in meters....my 2000m swim would be blogged as 2200 yds.  A little mental gymnastics, but not too bad.

Edit:  the best part of the whole deal is that you thought you were going slower in the M pool, but you were covering more ground.  Instant speed gain!!!  Cool....



Edited by rkreuser 2007-04-22 5:24 PM
2007-04-22 6:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim Training and yards v. meters in my logs

Regardless of whether you have your control panel set as yard or meters for the reports, when you add a swim, you can change the units for that day 'independantly' by just selecting the appropriate pace units when you are logging...

Setting the log control panel for a particlular unit only effects the reports and in the logging screen, what unit is shown first by default in the pace dropdown...but you can change it anytime you log without resetting your control panel value... 

tag - 2007-04-22 5:32 PM yeah, i think it would be a chore to try and change everything.  i don't really want to do that.  what i am wondering is if when Marmadaddy is doing his thing, if he could add one more function, to allow for the input of data in yards or meters independant of the one you have chosen to have everything displayed.  the site would do the conversion, if necessary, and everything going forward would show up in the correct distances.

2007-04-22 8:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Swim Training and yards v. meters in my logs

I'd like to offer my March logs as an example of what Ron is talking about.  Rick, you are working too hard! 

My regular pool is 50m x 25yd (Olympic size), and usually I swim LCM, but some days there's a swim meet or I go in the evening when the kids are in swim team practice and the lane lines have been changed so the pool is SCY.  Plus in March I was traveling in Boston for a week and had two swims in an 18m pool (weird, I know, but that's actually pretty big for a hotel pool) and one at MIT in the SCY pool.  If you look at March using the monthly calendar. you'll see that the individual days are marked as Y or M, but my monthly total is all converted into M, which is my preference.

Pace shows up based on the unit, but that is better so you can keep track if you swim on a set interval, vs. timing each swim and rest separately.  You can just figure that you'll be about 10% faster in the yard pool than in the meter pool.  USASwimming says that 100LCM meters should be about 15sec longer than 100SCY, since it's about 10% longer AND only one turn/push off the wall.  That turns out to be true for me. 



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