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2009-08-17 12:41 PM

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Subject: Dream HRM / CycloComp / RunComp - worth it?

I'm pondering a dream HRM purchase (looking at a full featured unit that doubles as a running and a cycling computer).  I'm a data-geek sort of guy.  However, I'm concerned that if I take things that far I'll get burned out...on either the HRM/computer or on sports in general.

This post is for those that went out and bought their dream system six months ago, a year ago, or two years ago.  Looking back, was it worth it?  Would you go with more features or less features if you had to do it again?  Do you still use it at all anymore?  How about linking it to the on-line training plans/tools - worthy features in the long run?


2009-08-17 7:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Dream HRM / CycloComp / RunComp - worth it?
I purchased my HRM more than a couple years ago.  A Polar S410.  At the time, it was I would say mid to upper range for Polar's offering.  I used to use the Sally Edwards "points" system to log my workouts on a spreadsheet I created.  I uploaded my workouts onto the Polar software.  I consider myself somewhat of a techno-geek and it suited me fine.  I bought a Polar RS200SD earlier this year and sold it after a week when I found out that it didn't have the features I like on my S410.  My S410 is no longer waterproof so that is why I am looking.

Ideally, I would like a waterproof HRM that I can wear for all 3 legs that allows me to take splits, average HR, max HR and will store the complete file of more than one workout.  I would like it to be the size of a wristwatch and cost around $200.  So far I haven't found it yet. I don't care if it reads hr or not during the swim.  I never consider it during training.

I have since quit using the points system and now I will log my workouts here on BT.  So all I really use is the time, ave. HR, Max and min HR. 

I would kinda like a GPS unit( I used one for my first marathon), but I train by time, not miles and I get on USTAF's website to map my run for the distance.

On my bike, I have a Polar CS200CAD.  It does the same stuff as my S410, but I get mileage, cadence and distance as well as the other standard cyclocomp stuff.

A lot of people here like the Garmin 310 and the new 310XT.  I am sure they are great, but I am not sure I would want to have that on my wrist for 140.6 miles and if I understand correctly the chest strap is not waterproof for the HR? Plus they are much more than what I would like to spend.

Good luck!  Let me know what you find.  I will follow this thread to get some ideas.
2009-08-18 11:07 AM
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I'm kind of in a fortunate situation in that I have lost my bike computer (clip broke and it went flying when I hit a bump), my old HRM is a piece of junk, and I've never had a running computer.  I would like to pool these monies together and get something good.

I really like the features of the Polar 800 Multi w/GPS.  Pros, it can do everything I want.  Agreed, HR is pretty much useless while swimming.  Cons, it's friggin expensive and it looks like a spaceship.  The Garmin stuff looks nice but I have no interest in fussing over battery power.  The 305 looks interesting but 10hrs of charge time is not acceptable.  With respect to the price of the higher Garmin models, I can't help but wander back to Polar.

So, let's say I throw down ~$500 on the Polar I want.  Will it be a waste of money?  Will I get bored of the high end features?  Are they a pain to manage?  You said that you reverted to a simpler training system.  Can you tell me more about why you did so?

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2009-08-18 2:48 PM
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miwoodar - 2009-08-18 11:07 AM I'm kind of in a fortunate situation in that I have lost my bike computer (clip broke and it went flying when I hit a bump), my old HRM is a piece of junk, and I've never had a running computer.  I would like to pool these monies together and get something good.

I really like the features of the Polar 800 Multi w/GPS.  Pros, it can do everything I want.  Agreed, HR is pretty much useless while swimming.  Cons, it's friggin expensive and it looks like a spaceship.  The Garmin stuff looks nice but I have no interest in fussing over battery power.  The 305 looks interesting but 10hrs of charge time is not acceptable.  With respect to the price of the higher Garmin models, I can't help but wander back to Polar.

So, let's say I throw down ~$500 on the Polar I want.  Will it be a waste of money?  Will I get bored of the high end features?  Are they a pain to manage?  You said that you reverted to a simpler training system.  Can you tell me more about why you did so?
I am trying to simplfy my life a little.  The HR points system does work well and I just recently read an article where it is coming back again.  But with BT having a good method of logging workouts, I decided that I would record the basics in one place at one time.  All of my workouts have a specific purpose and goal as far as time and intensity, so I don't see much benefit for me to pour over the details later about a training session.  I don't think you will go wrong with Polar, I like them and will buy from them again, most likely.  

As far as the features, having more is not bad.  Use the ones you want, and let the rest sit in the background.  You may use them at first for awhile or maybe you will look at them in the future.  You wouldn't want to have one for awhile, decide you want some feature and then see that the next model up has what you want.  I re-sold my RS200SD when I find out that it only records your average HR over the session.  I like to upload race results and see my HR every 5 secs. or so for the entire event.
I really do like the 800 series though.  I may look at them myself.  You could probably find one online somewhere and save $50 or so.  The new ones don't feel as sturdy as my 410, but hey, you can't live in the past, right!Laughing

They are not a pain to manage, but you will have a learning curve. 

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2009-08-18 6:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Dream HRM / CycloComp / RunComp - worth it?

Just to clarify, the Garmin 310 watch wasn't waterproof because of the data port.  My brother would ziploc it and put it under his swim cap.  I skipped it because I didn't want to hassle with that and the 10-hour battery life wouldn't get me through an Ironman.  The 310XT fixes both of those (but I have a Nike Triax Elite). 

My Nike uses an accelerometer (footpod) for running speed/distance.  It's been very repeatable (I have it biased to slightly under-report distance, so when it says 5 miles, I've gone at least 5 miles.  )   It's running-only, so isn't specific to cycling, but that hasn't been a limitation to me. 

It is set to auto-lap every mile.  I can download the data and the Nike application brings up a graph of HR and pace.  I can either display the data by time or by distance and I can export the data if I want.  I usually just grab the average HR for each mile and optically pick-off the maximum HR to log in my workout.  My old HRM would only give me average HR, time in zone, and total time (no splits, no split averages, no maximums or minimums). 

While I use the Nike to log what I did, I can program it (via the Nike application) to do a specific workout.  This can be especially useful (if you're not an idiot)  to do a 15 minute warmup, 30 minute LT test, and 15-minute cooldown.  I can set target paces for all segments and it'll beep if I'm either above or below the target.  LT tests, intervals, and ultra-steady pace runs are possible.  I did my testing by time, so I don't know whether you can just as easily do it by distance.  You might look at how the Polar does this kind of workout generation. 

I've had my Nike for 1.5 years.  I'm actually using more features now than I did then. 

2009-08-21 9:52 AM
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Thanks for the advice folks.  I went with a Polar s625x.  I got a good deal on e-bay.  All I need is the speed sensor for the bike and I'm set.  I would have liked to have gotten the 800cs multi with GPS but I decided it wasn't worth the extra cash at this time.


2009-08-23 7:16 AM
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You will be happy with the 625.  My 410 uses the same watch housing and it is very durable.  I think even more than the newer series.  I looked at one just on Friday.  I may pick one up over the winter.
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