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2008-09-29 10:59 AM

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Hey Guys,
Need your help.
I am very versed in many facets of strength training, nutrition, proper supplmentation etc...
I was training for a BB show in May and injued my shoulder(enflamed bursa that won't go away) so i turned to Tri's and am very excited about trying it.

I want to add training back in in about a month, not nearly as heavy as i was going before during my bulk phase but just some good solid training to keep me in the gym.
The plan i think i will be using to get ready for my first tri is a two a day progressive load plan.
So for instance.
Monday AM-12 minute swim
Monday PM-24 minute bike
Tuesday AM-12 miunte run
Tuesday PM-24 minute swim
Wendesday AM-15 minute swim
WednesdayPM-30 minute bike

thats the idea anyways, don't mind the numbers or workouts.

My question is, I know Tri's rely much more on carbs which is obvious due to the energy they provide. But I have adjusted my entire diet to suit this training. So more fruits, fast carbs, lower protein etc......

How do others who love to weighttrain add this into their tri training and meal planning?

I figure i just bump the cals and protein, but i am making sure i get 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight regardless of the exercise im doing that day.

So does anyone who has two-a-day training as well as like to weightlift have any advice????

Thank you very much!!!!!!!




2008-09-29 3:11 PM
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Welcome to triathlons! It is a lot of fun, and very addicting.

Until you are doing some long endurance training (longer than 90 minutes), you really shouldn't need to be eating super amounts of carbs. Carbs come in before, during and after long workouts.
2008-09-29 8:16 PM
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I try to do two a days every day. Usually something like this:
AM PM
Mon Swim Lift
Tue Run Bike
Wed Swim Lift
Thur Run Bike
Fri Swim Lift
Sat Long Bike w/moderate run brick
Sun Long Run

I played football throughout college and have always lifted "heavy". As hard as it was, I was forced to change my lifting philosophy to try to improve my SBR. This is a typical routine:

Squats = 3x30
Lat Pulldowns = 3x20
Bench Press = 3x10
One arm rows = 3x20
One leg leg press = 3x30
Good Mornings = 3x35
Core =3x75

Do these as a superset with 30 seconds rest between each exercise.

All of these exercises are SBR related except for the bench press. My coach forced me to change my lifting strategy. You have to remember that every pound of muscle you carry is another pound to carry on your feet, bike, or in the water. Not to say you shouldn't be muscular, but having a huge muscular chest and arms aren't going to be that much of an advantage in SBR. Obviously your weights will be much lower than normal lifting.
2008-09-30 1:30 AM
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Two ways to go about this. The first is to try and maintain muscle and strength by doing a heavy but low volume workout, something like 3x5 on just the basic compound lifts. The other way is to to what Katybug is doing and do high rep sets of 20-30 reps.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of both? Here are my thoughts based solely on my own experience, i.e., there is absolutely nothing scientific about it.

Heavy days: Critics will say that there is no need to display maximum strength in endurance sports. True. But if you are an avid lifter, you will miss the heavy iron. Heavy lifting, which is completely the opposite of what you'll be training for, will give you a mental break, and perhaps even a physical break, from all that endurance training. Currently your longest session is 30 minutes on the bike, but once you start running for close to an hour and biking for close to two, you'll see what I mean.

High rep days: Critics say that even a set of 100 reps is nothing compared to the thousands of steps, pedal strokes, and swim strokes you'll eventually be doing. True, but I've found that these high rep sets help. I can't explain how. Maybe it's a sort of "bridge the gap" workout that allows for a smoother transition from lifting heavy for low reps to the "thousands of reps" you do when SBRing. Maybe it's all mental - if I can squat X weight for 30 reps, then I'll be able to climb that hill. I don't know and I don't care. These types of high rep workouts seem to help me.

Initially, you may want to try some higher rep stuff. I try to get three weight sessions in a week, but sometimes that can be draining. Two is good, with maybe a third short workout in there focusing on one lift or something like that. Initially, don't worry about following any type of program or plan. Just play it by ear and see how your body recovers.
2008-09-30 3:12 PM
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Mike,

I am really struggling with not lifting heavy. It is almost a mental block. I am completely changing my weight routines and I don't know if I like it or not, but my coach said do it so I am gonna do it. Hopefully, it will get better.
2008-09-30 3:18 PM
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I would think for women, triathlete or not, the recommendation would be to lift very heavy because sure you can put on some muscle but really not a lot in poundage to make a difference.  

For me, my goals are to lose weight and I try to lift heavy because if I can build muscle, it'll burn fat and it'll be much easier to lose weight/maintain that weight loss.  I also feel better and stronger when I do.  



2008-10-16 7:23 PM
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katybug34 - 2008-09-30 4:12 PM Mike, I am really struggling with not lifting heavy. It is almost a mental block. I am completely changing my weight routines and I don't know if I like it or not, but my coach said do it so I am gonna do it. Hopefully, it will get better.

Katybug - I played football too in college and have found not having to lift heavy is a nice change of pace.  In fact, I really have to start lifting more.  I just don't miss it because I did so much of it.  Just swim lots and you will get that feeling of tired muscles.  ALso try some pilates and plyos for xtraining and I think you may get what your looking for.  My 2 cents, at least.

2008-10-17 2:03 PM
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Mike had some great advice. I really love going heavy and I have a hard time entering the gym and taking it easy...just have it in me I guess.

 

Still, although I don't currently I agree that going light every now and then is a good idea. 

 

There is just something to be said about lifting a lot of weight. I usually go 2 a days. I swim 3 days a week, run 3 days a week, bike 2, and gym 4

I will switch between heavy bike, swim, and running weeks.

2008-10-17 3:20 PM
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MikeTheBear - 2008-09-30 2:30 AM Two ways to go about this. The first is to try and maintain muscle and strength by doing a heavy but low volume workout, something like 3x5 on just the basic compound lifts. The other way is to to what Katybug is doing and do high rep sets of 20-30 reps. What are the advantages/disadvantages of both? Here are my thoughts based solely on my own experience, i.e., there is absolutely nothing scientific about it.

Mike - Great post.  I would like to limit lifting to 2x week for no more than 20-40 minutes.  I have been doing full body high rep (15-30) low weight circuit training variants (i.e. pull ups, lunges, core, chest flys, squats, core, lat pull down, hamstring curls/leg x, core then repeat 1-3 more times).  What would be the effect of I kept 1 day as the above type circuit but on the other day did a more traditional heavy-type session (i'd likely super set for timing reasons)?



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