Special Counsel

Couldn't agree more, let's get this out of the media and away from the administration and find out the truth. It will take time and will be part of the midterms. We will get to see Trump's taxes. All good.

You will only see his taxes if there is a federal indictment. That's the good thing about the special counsel, he controls what is released. It will be fun to watch hoe he handles the leaks of those out to hurt Trump.

Just read this:

"The Justice Department appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel on Wednesday to oversee the federal investigation into alleged collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election. But former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom said Mueller should focus on the other investigations. “This is a foreign intelligence investigation and collusion isn’t actually a crime,” Kallstrom said during an interview on the FOX Business Network."


Hmmm, all this time I was thinking the collusion was criminal but if there is federal statue then I guess it is not criminal. Impeachable? Maybe. Hard to say because if no crime was committed then there is no "high crime or misdemeanor".

Not impeachable to get a BJ in the oval office either but they impeached Clinton for perjury which is a crime but he was never prosecuted....but he did lose his license to ever practice law again.....like that hurt him.

So the worst case for Trump is they might find evidence that some of his staff colluded but it will be nearly impossible to tie anything directly to Trump.

My guess is this will end up just like the Clinton Whitewater/Rose Law Firm corruption.....unable to prove a crime was committed. Flynn will likely be the Ollie North......

I'm not a lawyer either....but I will quit bragging.

I agree it would not be good if he directly solicited Russian help to get elected....but you still have to tied that to a federal statute. It's one of those rare things where you are not going to find a law that says, "Candidate for POTUS shall not solicit help from foreign entities".

I also don't know what the burden of proof is for impeachment. In criminal court the burden of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt". In civil court the burden is "a preponderance of the evidence". In the NFL inflategate it was "more probable than not".

Just did some reading. So it take the majority of the House to call for impeachment. Then there is a trail in the Senate and witnesses are called, etc. It takes 2/3rd of the Senate to impeach.

This is just never gonna happen unless they find proof of treason or bribery. Obviously he doesn't need the money so doubtful be bribed anyone. Which leave treason, high crimes and misdemeanors.

Again, you can't just say, "it aint right that he talked to Puntin and asked him to release dirt on Hillary" There has to be a crime....IMO anyway.

Even if he said to Putin, "Not to worry about the expelled diplomats, after I'm elected I will reverse this". I just don't see that as a crime.

Oh well, I think it's a good thing that someone was appointed. If it was just left to DOJ regardless of what was eventually found or not found it would not be accepted by both sides. Maybe this way it can be put to bed....one way or another.

You may be right. I am just relying on several articles I have read by legal scholars among them a Harvard Law school professor.

As of right now we (the public) have seen zero evidence that an sort of crime has been committed. Everything is innuendo and speculation and what-if and he said/he said. Unless you have Trump on tape talking to Putin saying he will give him $1 million cash if he could hack HRC's email they will never pin anything on Trump. IF they did have such a tape they would have already indicted him. There is a reason it's very hard take down powerful people.....they don't do anything themselves and make sure they are well insulated from any wrong-doing. It's where the phrase 'plausible deniability' came from. Which is why they had to try Capone for tax evasion not murder and racketeering.

A good read along the lines of what I was saying.

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/05/18/after-mueller-trump...