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2004-02-10 11:28 PM

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Subject: Need help with Target Heart Zone
I am getting some conflicting information on my Target Heart Zone. I will be 40 in 2 months, just getting back into shape, weigh 205lbs and my resting heart rate is 80bpm. My maximum heart ratewas a scary 190bpm!!! (Over did it on a bike sprint) I have found a number of calculators online, but I am getting some different figures.

Based on an age of 40 and using the formula 220 - Age
Maximum Heart Rate (Calculated) = 180
% of Maximum Heart Rate Reserve*
% 60 sec. 10 sec. 60 sec. 10 sec.
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100 180.0 30.0 180.0 30.0
95 171.0 28.5 175.0 29.2
90 162.0 27.0 170.0 28.3
85 153.0 25.5 165.0 27.5
80 144.0 24.0 160.0 26.7
75 135.0 22.5 155.0 25.8
70 126.0 21.0 150.0 25.0
65 117.0 19.5 145.0 24.2
60 108.0 18.0 140.0 23.3
55 99.0 16.5 135.0 22.5

* Percent of maximum, corrected for resting heart rate of 80

So how do I interpret "easy", "moderate", etc. Where should my HRM be set on the upper and lower? Any help on this will be appreciated.


2004-02-10 11:58 PM
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Don't use the 220-age to determine your max HR. This is a formula based on an average. If you got a heart rate of 190 on a ride then you don't fit that model. I don't either, have a max of 193 and I'm 38, so formula says 182. Base your training zones on the 190 number. Will let others address the rest of your question.

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2004-02-11 4:28 AM
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It's very possible that those numbers are way off...mine are quite different from the standard formula.

Your max. really isn't a max, but is activity related, although the 190 is quite realistic. In general you will have a higher max when running than from biking. So the ranges you calculated really only apply to cycling.

For determining ranges, I'm not a fan of strict percentages. Listen to your body before your HRM. Listen to your breath. What feels easy? What feels moderate? First assess how you feel, then look and see what the reading is....remember that for later.

The problem with fixed percent ranges comes with increasing and decreasing fitness. For example, you may do an easy run at 50% but as your fitness increases, keeping at that 50% number becomes incredibly slow pace which is below what you should be doing.

Looking back at your numbers....if you got a max HR of 190 on the bike, then your max for the bike is definitely not 180. Your run max is still unknown until you test it. I'd throw away the 220 formula... Do some workouts and log how your breathing is compared to the readout. I also have some tests, ranges, and percentages in a couple articles on the main page of this site.

I'm not sure how you calculated your resting HR but it looks a little high. Did you test it first thing in the morning? My true RHR is 43 but it may read 70 while sitting on the couch or at my desk or doing something else which is 'resting'

Happy testing,
Scott
(Max HR for typing is 91)
2004-02-11 6:41 AM
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I have a pretty cool book on how to figure your MHR and how to work in the different zones. It also discusses MHRs for multisport athletes. It's called "Heart Rate Training for the Compleat Idiot" or something like that, I don't have it handy. I think if you searched Amazon or something similar and spell Compleat that way you'll find it. It was the first book I've ever read on the subject that actually made sense to me, and I've read a lot of them.

2004-02-11 8:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Need help with Target Heart Zone
sherrick - 2004-02-11 3:28 AM

Looking back at your numbers....if you got a max HR of 190 on the bike, then your max for the bike is definitely not 180. Your run max is still unknown until you test it. I'd throw away the 220 formula... Do some workouts and log how your breathing is compared to the readout. I also have some tests, ranges, and percentages in a couple articles on the main page of this site.


I neglected to mention earlier that I also tested it with the run and it came up 195bpm. I pushed myself to the limit...gasping...woozie...spots...

I'm not sure how you calculated your resting HR but it looks a little high. Did you test it first thing in the morning? My true RHR is 43 but it may read 70 while sitting on the couch or at my desk or doing something else which is 'resting'


I was wearing my HRM while casually watching television and assumed that was "resting". Should I try it with an afternoon nap?

Thanks TriMom, you are correct. The book is "Heart Rate Training for the Compleat Idiot" I found it using a Google Search.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0915297256/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-389713...


Edited by GamblerZ 2004-02-11 8:26 AM
2004-02-11 9:26 AM
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You need to check your HR in the morning before you roll out of bed to get your resting HR. After an afternoon nap your HR will still be slightly elevated.


2004-02-11 9:38 AM
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The old 220 minus thing is not real accurate. Our maximum HR is an individual thing & genetically pre-determined. It can't be changed by getting fitter & is no reflection of individual fitness.
A person's maxmum HR will also be different for different sports. The HRmax for cycling is generally about 10% lower than for running & the HRmax for swimming can be much lower still. This is probably caused by the amount of venous return to the heart.
A better idea is to base your training zones as a % of the lactate threshhold, as opposed to a %of HRmax. You can test your lactate threshold fairly easily, safely & cheaply. HRmax testing can be pretty risky.
Joe Friel's "The Triathletes Training Bilble" & Edmond Burke's "Precision Heart Rate Training" are great references & they both have the protocols for lactate threshold testing in all 3 sports.

Good luck!
2004-02-11 11:49 AM
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Heart rate monitors have brought out the geek in all the geekaletes.  That said, I love looking at my HRM logs.  After keeping logs for a couple of years, I would say that the published "training zones" are correct but not of much use because they are way too broad for any individual.  My heart rates don't vary more than a few BPM from easy days to hard days.  The difference between 130 and 140 BPM is enormous for me.  I would guess that the interval of 136 +/- 4 BPM would cover 95% of the runs over the last year.   My maxHR is 169 so this corresponds to 81% +/-2.4%. 

I think it is much more useful to know how to measure my own training zone.  Here is my method.

I look for my "equilibrium" run.  My standard run is 6.3 miles and takes about an hour.  The equilibrium run test is to run this same course every day for a week.  Going every day is important.  The goal is get past the irrational exuberance about how fast I am and to settle into a pace that I can do every day.  This then is the equilibrum run.  It really corresponds to the amount of exercise that I can recover from in 24 hours.  Hard days are faster or longer than this.  Easy days are slower or shorter.   (An off day is the ultimate easy day!)  The heart rate on the equilibrium run is the equilibrium HR for my body.  It is a good measure the level of exertion that my body's energy conversion systems can maintain over a long time period.  

PLEASE BE CAREFUL.  If you plan on doing this test and aren't accustomed to running daily, build to the test gradually.   EASE UP ON THE INTENSITY.  Use the distance and course that you are comfortable doing right now.  For example, pick the run you have done the most often over the last month.  Be aware that you should not increase your mileage more than about 10% over your usual weekly average for any week.   IF SOMETHING HURTS, END THE TEST.  Running everyday is stressful for most people.  And, prepare yourself for the fact that the equilibrium run is a good bit slower than the run after a good day or two of rest.  And, yes the equilibrium run  may involve a fair amount of walking.  It is all about finding how much you can train without overtraining or getting hurt..

Have fun.

TW

2004-02-11 8:00 PM
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Sally Edwards has written many books on Heart Rates and Heart Zone training and also conducts fantastic seminars on the topic. I attended her 2 day conference in Seattle last year and cannot recommend it enough for anyone interested in this subject.

As others have pointed out, either directly or indirectly, your max heart rate is not related to age, it is individual, and it is different for each sport.

Sally also has a web site -- I think it is www.heartzones.com    She does a lot with the Danskin Women's triathlons. It is defintiely worth looking at some of her stuff.

Nancy

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