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2008-08-26 10:45 PM

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Subject: Sliding on corners on the bike
At my race on Saturday I had my tires at 110psi (max 120) and the bike course had a lot of 90 degree turns. When I went around the first couple of turns (pavement) my rear tire slid. After that, I slowed down on the corners because I didn't want to wipe out.

Do you think I had too much tire pressure for the sharp corners, or do you think there was something else going on?


2008-08-26 10:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike

That's pretty rare unless:

* the pavement was wet (especially if there were paint stripes or metal grates in the road).
* There was sand on the road.
* you hit a pedal on the pavement in the corner.

When taking a corner at speed, you need to have the outside pedal down HARD holding the bike down.

2008-08-26 10:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike
Wow. That is reason for concern.

Given dry pavement conditions and a tire pressure of 110 p.s.i. it would be unusual for your rear tire to lose traction.

Here are a couple things to consider:

* Was the road surface free of debris, or did it have a coating of sand, gravel or other foregin matter that may have contributed to the loss of traction?

* Was your weight on the outside pedal of the turn, with that pedal down and the inside pedal up?

* Did you lean your bike and not your body? Were you keeping your center of gravity over your bike at all times through the turn?

* Were you executing one consistent line through the turn, from usable apex ("attack point") to usable apex, employing the "racing line" to reduce the radius of the turn?

  • ..I know, a lot of questions. Here are some resources to consider about cornering:
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_(racing)
    http://www.bicyclesource.com/descending_and_cornering
    http://www.truesport.com/rzone/articles/article.asp?recid=320


    2008-08-26 11:03 PM
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    Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike
    I had the same issue in a race a week ago.  Mine was a combination of approaching the turn too fast, improper balance and mis-alignment into the turn.  I slid 5-6 ft sideways before i caught traction...I'm practicing turns at different speeds...good luck.
    2008-08-26 11:19 PM
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    Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike
    Oh, wow, I have soooo much to learn! Thank you for the replies. Nowhere that I ride has corners like this, and I've never thought about the pedal position or my center of gravity. I think I may have been trying to pedal on through. Hmmmm....
    2008-08-27 2:27 PM
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    Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike

    Shoeless - 2008-08-27 12:19 AM Oh, wow, I have soooo much to learn! Thank you for the replies. Nowhere that I ride has corners like this, and I've never thought about the pedal position or my center of gravity. I think I may have been trying to pedal on through. Hmmmm....

    Are you sure you didn't clip your pedal on the ground when leaning into the turn and pedaling? Much more likely than your rear wheel actually sliding/skidding out unless there was stand/gravel/wetness as others have pointed out.

    If you're turning too fast, you're far more likely to lay the bike down (i.e. fall to your inside when you lean over too hard) or run off the apex of the curve because you can't lean into the curve hard enough for your speed.  Both of these things would happen before your wheel would slide out some significant amount but you wouldn't fall.

    The other possibility is that you hit your rear brake too hard and locked up your rear wheel and fishtailed.



    2008-08-27 2:39 PM
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    Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike
    JoshKaptur - 2008-08-27 2:27 PM

    Shoeless - 2008-08-27 12:19 AM Oh, wow, I have soooo much to learn! Thank you for the replies. Nowhere that I ride has corners like this, and I've never thought about the pedal position or my center of gravity. I think I may have been trying to pedal on through. Hmmmm....

     

    The other possibility is that you hit your rear brake too hard and locked up your rear wheel and fishtailed.

    Bingo, that would be my guess too.

    2008-08-27 3:12 PM
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    Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike
    Funny -- using the brakes in the corner didn't even enter my mind as a possibility.
    2008-08-28 11:50 AM
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    Subject: RE: Sliding on corners on the bike

    briderdt - 2008-08-27 4:12 PM Funny -- using the brakes in the corner didn't even enter my mind as a possibility.

    I think the original poster did say she was pedaling through the turns.

    But it is very natural for a beginning cyclist to want to hit the brakes in a turn.  If that is what's at issue here, then my advice is to brake in a straight line before the turn if you need to bleed off some speed... although in time you'll find that cornering skill (really leaning into it on the correct line) will help much more.

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