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 2010-07-12 11:04 AM in reply to: #2944040 |
Pro  4174    Keller, Texas |  Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official ThreadHopefully now that Keith has finished Black Fly, we will see the bike and run routes soon. |
| 2010-07-12 3:06 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
New user 5 | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I'm in for my first IM. Did a 70.3 and 26.2 last year. Very excited to see this race come to The Woodlands. |
| 2010-07-12 3:19 PM in reply to: #2975855 |
Extreme Veteran 567 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread So now that we have all dropped the $$$ and committed to doing IMTX - what training plans are we all considering? I am in the process of deciding between Don Finks "BeIronFit" and Matt Fitgerald's Week-to-Week Full IM (Level 6). Has anyone used these plans? And is there others that you can recommend? My plan is that after IronStar is over to take 3 weeks off and then hit one of these plans hard starting November 29th! |
| 2010-07-12 3:58 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Pro 4174 Keller, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I am looking at the BT 20 week RPE, but since I spent all that money getting certified as a USAT coach I will adapt any plan to my needs. If you count back on the calendar, 20 weeks (which is what most IMplans are) starts on January 1st. Welcome to the new yeak kids!
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| 2010-07-12 4:48 PM in reply to: #2975899 |
Elite 3088 Austin, TX Gold member | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I'm just about done building my own plan. It's kind of a Frankenstein's monster and it's ridiculously ambitious. After IM 70.3 Austin, I'll take 3 weeks off. That leaves 28 weeks until IMTX. The first 4 weeks will be basically maintenance type workouts of my HIM fitness levels, with a 60-70 mile ride, 10-12 mile run, and 40-50' long swim every week. I used Fitzgerald's level 8 week-by-week plan as the jumping off point for the remaining 24 weeks. - The swim workouts are pretty much taken directly from the plan. I increased the distance of the long, base swims that he has each week, though, so I'm doing more swims near or over the 4,000 yard mark. - For the bike, I'll do long rides of 60-80 miles every week until March. From there, I'll up the distance to as much as 120, hoping to get 5-6 rides over 100 miles in before the race. One mid-week ride will be efforts at FTP and the other will be either a tempo workout or VO2 max workout. - For the first 8 weeks of run training, I'm keeping the long 10-12 miler on the weekends and doing a 4-5 mile easy run and a 4-5 miler at the low end of "cruise" pace. The last 16 weeks of run training are made up of a long run and the 2 speed/tempo workouts from the intermediate version of Runner's World's "Ultimate Marathon Training Plan." ( http://runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244--6946-3-3X5X7-4,0... ). I've changed the progression of the long runs to be more in line with the advanced version of the same plan so I'm doing 3 20-milers. I used this plan to run a 3:32 standalone mary in 2008 and have used their Ultimate Half Marathon plan for training for multiple HIM's (with PR run splits of 1:42 and 1:46). As I said, it's ridiculously ambitious. But I did my first two IM's with far too little training. I have not taken the IM on to the best of my abillity. I'm pretty convinced that this is the last time I'll shoot for the 140.6, and I want to give it my absolute best effort. Even if I can get myself to fulfill just half of this plan, I'll be better trained than the first 2. I've typically created 3 goals for myself: "I'll be disappointed if I do worse than...", "I really think I can do...", and "With perfect conditions and execution, I think I could do...". Here they are: - I'll be disappointed if I do worse than 1:15 swim, 5:40 bike, 4:10 run, 10 minute transitions, 11:15 overall. Heh...disappointed with anything less than a 1-hr improvement over my IMAZ time. Of course, all that will take is not blowing up on the run, since my IMAZ swim and bike splits were only slightly slower than these. - I really think I can do 1:10 swim, 5:25 bike, 4:00 run, 10 minute transitions, 10:45 overall - With perfect conditions and execution (especially on the bike), I think I could do 1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:50 run, 5 minute transitions, 10:15 overall. WTC would definitely never see another IM entry fee from me if I pulled that off, unless that was somehow a KQ time  |
| 2010-07-12 4:55 PM in reply to: #2976153 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I'll be testing the limits of going in undertrained I found a copy of be iron fit at a used book store and ready that now.. and I'm looking at the endurance nation type of plans, |
| 2010-07-12 4:55 PM in reply to: #2976153 |
Extreme Veteran 556 TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I got tired just reading that  No issues with the plan, just reminded me of what I'm in for... |
| 2010-07-12 5:15 PM in reply to: #2976173 |
Elite 3088 Austin, TX Gold member | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread Gaarryy - 2010-07-12 4:55 PM I'll be testing the limits of going in undertrained Oh, been there done that. In the 4 months leading up to IMAZ in 07, I averaged 2300 yards of swimming, 17 miles of running, and 60 miles of riding per week. And those numbers are better than IMLP's in 06! |
| 2010-07-12 5:57 PM in reply to: #2976173 |
Queen BTich 12411 , | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread Gaarryy - 2010-07-12 5:55 PM I'll be testing the limits of going in undertrained I'll give you a run for your money on that one. |
| 2010-07-12 6:13 PM in reply to: #2975899 |
| Veteran 147 TEXAS | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread JeffIrvin - 2010-07-12 3:19 PM So now that we have all dropped the $$$ and committed to doing IMTX - what training plans are we all considering? I am in the process of deciding between Don Finks "BeIronFit" and Matt Fitgerald's Week-to-Week Full IM (Level 6). Has anyone used these plans? And is there others that you can recommend? My plan is that after IronStar is over to take 3 weeks off and then hit one of these plans hard starting November 29th! Have BeIronFit plan some years back ...good plan for first IM see you at swim tomorrow |
| 2010-07-12 6:52 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
| Master 1468 Montgomery, Tx | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I am on the fence with everything. My plan is to train for Ironstar and if I come up with the money I will do it. Then maybe mix in Jorges winter cycling plan while keeping up with 3-4 runs, 2 swims. After that I may jump into finks advanced plan, use a plan from BT, or just hold my hands up and catch one from the sky. I have Finks advanced plan on excel, but I would have to change the swims up since I am not big into drills. Edited by TriPatrick 2010-07-12 6:59 PM |
| 2010-07-12 7:44 PM in reply to: #2976153 |
Expert 902 Wylie, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread dgunthert - 2010-07-12 4:48 PM I've typically created 3 goals for myself: "I'll be disappointed if I do worse than...", "I really think I can do...", and "With perfect conditions and execution, I think I could do...". Here they are: - I'll be disappointed if I do worse than 1:15 swim, 5:40 bike, 4:10 run, 10 minute transitions, 11:15 overall. Heh...disappointed with anything less than a 1-hr improvement over my IMAZ time. Of course, all that will take is not blowing up on the run, since my IMAZ swim and bike splits were only slightly slower than these. - I really think I can do 1:10 swim, 5:25 bike, 4:00 run, 10 minute transitions, 10:45 overall - With perfect conditions and execution (especially on the bike), I think I could do 1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:50 run, 5 minute transitions, 10:15 overall. WTC would definitely never see another IM entry fee from me if I pulled that off, unless that was somehow a KQ time Congrats Dennis for being the first one to post their goal times. I will be doing a Mark Allen 20 week plan. I used his plan for Kansas 70.3 and did 5:04, which was a HIM PR of 35 min. |
| 2010-07-12 9:06 PM in reply to: #2976477 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread docshock1964 - 2010-07-12 7:44 PM dgunthert - 2010-07-12 4:48 PM I've typically created 3 goals for myself: "I'll be disappointed if I do worse than...", "I really think I can do...", and "With perfect conditions and execution, I think I could do...". Here they are: - I'll be disappointed if I do worse than 1:15 swim, 5:40 bike, 4:10 run, 10 minute transitions, 11:15 overall. Heh...disappointed with anything less than a 1-hr improvement over my IMAZ time. Of course, all that will take is not blowing up on the run, since my IMAZ swim and bike splits were only slightly slower than these. - I really think I can do 1:10 swim, 5:25 bike, 4:00 run, 10 minute transitions, 10:45 overall - With perfect conditions and execution (especially on the bike), I think I could do 1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:50 run, 5 minute transitions, 10:15 overall. WTC would definitely never see another IM entry fee from me if I pulled that off, unless that was somehow a KQ time Congrats Dennis for being the first one to post their goal times. I will be doing a Mark Allen 20 week plan. I used his plan for Kansas 70.3 and did 5:04, which was a HIM PR of 35 min. Craig on the Mark Allen plans,, is there an option for me to have mark allen run for me?? |
| 2010-07-12 9:12 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread Holy Cow! I'm impressed. People are already thinking about training plans! After signing up I figured I'd just forget about this thing until January or so... Seriously. I plan on running and cycling like a mad man the rest of this year without getting in the pool once. I'll do some OWS every other week or so and do races for intensity. If I don't see a lap pool until 2011 then everything is going according to plan! |
| 2010-07-12 10:12 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Master 1779 | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I'll start thinking about IMTX when IMFL is over. The plan is to rest after Florida and start back up again in 2011. I decided to skip the Houston Marathon this year. If I get a lottery spot then I'll run the Houston Half. That's as far out as we've planned so far. When do you think they will post the final bike route? |
| 2010-07-13 7:42 AM in reply to: #2944040 |
Pro 4174 Keller, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread It would be great if the bike course was posted this week (ya listening KEJ Edited by dodgersmom 2010-07-13 7:43 AM |
). We have no plans for the weekend so a nice long drive to the Woodlands would fit into our schedule!| 2010-07-13 8:28 AM in reply to: #2976477 |
Elite 3088 Austin, TX Gold member | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread docshock1964 - 2010-07-12 7:44 PM Congrats Dennis for being the first one to post their goal times. I will be doing a Mark Allen 20 week plan. I used his plan for Kansas 70.3 and did 5:04, which was a HIM PR of 35 min. I'm trying to figure out why this was posted in the sarcasm font! |
| 2010-07-13 11:10 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread I think the only secret to Ironman training is going long on the bike once a week, one long run a week as well and one more bike and two more runs a week (short but quality) swim only twice a week about 2,900 yds per session divided in drills. Key workouts are, you guessed, long run and long bike. Just gotta get the body ready for the long effort. No misteries to it. If eveything is done right, race day is just a long training day with really good catering. Since we're talking times, what is everybody shooting for? I'm pretty modest here, just want to finish my second IM. |
| 2010-07-14 12:29 AM in reply to: #2979261 |
Extreme Veteran 349 Allen | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread evillarroel - 2010-07-13 11:10 PM I think the only secret to Ironman training is going long on the bike once a week, one long run a week as well and one more bike and two more runs a week (short but quality) swim only twice a week about 2,900 yds per session divided in drills. Key workouts are, you guessed, long run and long bike. Just gotta get the body ready for the long effort. No misteries to it. If eveything is done right, race day is just a long training day with really good catering. Since we're talking times, what is everybody shooting for? I'm pretty modest here, just want to finish my second IM. mmmmyeahhhh. About that.... That's not necessarily the "only secret". Remember that everyone is different and requires their own training plan. Aside from a half iron a few months prior, my longest run preparing for IMCdA in 2008 was about 6.5 miles. I have a couple of bum knees so the goal was to reach the start line. I had a great coach who prepared me very well, and I had a pretty good race. Yeah the marathon got ugly, but it was only after I had developed blisters because I, very stupidly, didn't change into dry socks at special needs. But only with about 4 miles to go did I *really* hurt. Sure, a strong running background, and lots of run training can set you up for a good Ironman, but it's not the "only" way to train for a successful Ironman. My "secret" was three quality bike sessions, and three swims per week averaging over 10,000m total for the week in the pool in the month before taper started. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to neglect swim fitness, which could possibly set you up for a bad remainder of the day. And only doing two bike sessions a week? That might work for some, but I would guess that it wouldn't be good for 95% of the people doing an Ironman. |
| 2010-07-14 4:41 AM in reply to: #2977258 |
Queen BTich 12411 , | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread dgunthert - 2010-07-13 9:28 AM docshock1964 - 2010-07-12 7:44 PM I'm trying to figure out why this was posted in the sarcasm font!Congrats Dennis for being the first one to post their goal times. I will be doing a Mark Allen 20 week plan. I used his plan for Kansas 70.3 and did 5:04, which was a HIM PR of 35 min. Yeah. Props to Dennis for having the b*lls to do that. Goal: finish without feeling like I'm going to die. About the bike fitness thing: I need more than one bike ride. I'm a weak cyclist so I can get by on no long runs more than 6 miles (enough marathons under my belt), as BRICKS would be better, I know how my body can handle the run. The bike...not so much. That being said, my training "plan" is very different. All CrossFit/gym/strength based. Rollin' the dice... |
| 2010-07-14 7:08 AM in reply to: #2979323 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread jcagg90 - 2010-07-14 12:29 AM evillarroel - 2010-07-13 11:10 PM I think the only secret to Ironman training is going long on the bike once a week, one long run a week as well and one more bike and two more runs a week (short but quality) swim only twice a week about 2,900 yds per session divided in drills. Key workouts are, you guessed, long run and long bike. Just gotta get the body ready for the long effort. No misteries to it. If eveything is done right, race day is just a long training day with really good catering. Since we're talking times, what is everybody shooting for? I'm pretty modest here, just want to finish my second IM. mmmmyeahhhh. About that.... That's not necessarily the "only secret". Remember that everyone is different and requires their own training plan. Aside from a half iron a few months prior, my longest run preparing for IMCdA in 2008 was about 6.5 miles. I have a couple of bum knees so the goal was to reach the start line. I had a great coach who prepared me very well, and I had a pretty good race. Yeah the marathon got ugly, but it was only after I had developed blisters because I, very stupidly, didn't change into dry socks at special needs. But only with about 4 miles to go did I *really* hurt. Sure, a strong running background, and lots of run training can set you up for a good Ironman, but it's not the "only" way to train for a successful Ironman. My "secret" was three quality bike sessions, and three swims per week averaging over 10,000m total for the week in the pool in the month before taper started. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to neglect swim fitness, which could possibly set you up for a bad remainder of the day. And only doing two bike sessions a week? That might work for some, but I would guess that it wouldn't be good for 95% of the people doing an Ironman. I think you're NOT reading what I posted, I said KEY workouts are one long run and one long bike a week with peripheral workouts around them. Two swims a week is more than enough at least for me (came out of the water in IMAZ in 1:14'04" with very little effort). Having great bike fitness without proper running base will set you up for disaster (happens every day at Ironman events) when people says "I had a great bike but blew up on the run". Ultimately, execution trumps fitness in long course. |
| 2010-07-14 7:36 AM in reply to: #2944040 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread For those of you that are doing this as your first IM, my suggestion is to not set any time goals. It's not easy to do, but it'll take a lot of pressure off and let you enjoy race day. I went into IMCdA in '09 without a time goal and was very pleasantly surprised at my time. However, even if it hadn't been what it was, I still was able to train and race without stressing over hitting a certain time. This time around, I have definite goals! If I fail, then at least I already have one race under my belt. Anyway, my 11:26 at CdA was on about 3 1/2 months of training, so this time around I'm shooting for much faster: Aggressive Goal: <10:00 Assumes perfect training and perfect execution; really need to hit the bike to acheive this. [1:10 swim - 5 min T1 - 5:20 bike - 5 min T2 - 3:15 run= 9:55] Reasonable Goal: <10:30 Acheivable if there are no real setbacks in training. [1:15 swim - 5 min T1 - 5:30 bike - 5 min T2 - 3:30 run = 10:25] Safe Goal: <11:00 Should be doable if I can fit in a normal amount of training. [1:15 swim - 5 min T1 - 5:45 bike - 5 min T2 - 3:40 run = 10:50] Damn, now it's written down... Edited by AndrewMT 2010-07-14 7:44 AM |
| 2010-07-14 8:29 AM in reply to: #2979542 |
Elite 3088 Austin, TX Gold member | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread AndrewMT - 2010-07-14 7:36 AM Aggressive Goal: <10:00 Assumes perfect training and perfect execution; really need to hit the bike to acheive this. [1:10 swim - 5 min T1 - 5:20 bike - 5 min T2 - 3:15 run= 9:55] Reasonable Goal: <10:30 Acheivable if there are no real setbacks in training. [1:15 swim - 5 min T1 - 5:30 bike - 5 min T2 - 3:30 run = 10:25] Safe Goal: <11:00 Should be doable if I can fit in a normal amount of training. [1:15 swim - 5 min T1 - 5:45 bike - 5 min T2 - 3:40 run = 10:50] Damn, now it's written down... Hey! You're supposed to put down your own goals, not just copy someone else's. I'm hoping to be a little faster off the bike, but there's no way on this earth that I can put down those kind of run times. |
| 2010-07-14 8:39 AM in reply to: #2979655 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread dgunthert - 2010-07-14 8:29 AM Hey! You're supposed to put down your own goals, not just copy someone else's. I'm hoping to be a little faster off the bike, but there's no way on this earth that I can put down those kind of run times.Ha! Once I saw your goals I had to take a close look at your splits for each leg to make sure we wouldn't be side by side the entire race! The run is my bread and butter, so I'll be counting on that to make my goals happen. The bike was my weakest event last year, so I'm going to be putting in a lot of miles between now and May 21 to see where I can get. We'll both be suffering though. Good luck! |
| 2010-07-14 8:45 AM in reply to: #2979542 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas : Official Thread AndrewMT - 2010-07-14 7:36 AM For those of you that are doing this as your first IM, my suggestion is to not set any time goals. no time goals. roger that. not sure what plan i'm going to go with. using an endurance nation plan for augusta 70.3. we'll see how that goes and then decide. less than 200 spots remain for the race. |
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