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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() poke4christ - 2007-03-08 12:33 PMWell, we've been talking about in race nutrition recently, and that's great. There's a lot I need to get down. Do you guys only have gels? Should it be supplemented with some solid food like bars?Anyway, what I'd really like to get into right now is training nutrition. I feel like it might be the missing component of my training right now. I often don't have a tone of energy or motivation to do my workouts and because of that, they suffer.As a college student who is living on campus, my dinning options are somewhat limited and my diet is pretty bad. Way too many simple carbs and fats, not enough protein and vegetables. Could use some more fruit as well. Basically, I've got 3 months left till my event. I feel I could probably compete in a sprint tri alright, but to compete, not just complete, an Olympic distance I'll really have to step it up. Harder training and much better nutrition. I'm feeling that getting better in latter will help me to improve in the former.So how is everyone else's nutrition and how does it affect your training? It took me an entire season before I realized that my training nutrition was just as important as my racing nutrition. The key is to treat each workout as part of a larger one. Case in point, I would go and run 12 miles and not take water or gel because I can run 12 miles without it. Always have been able to. BUT...when I got to my race and switched into 'run' mode and didn't take any nutrition...I bonked harder than anything. So now, it's all based on time. If I am out for longer than 30', I take something with me. Be it a water bottle or a water bottle and some gels. Treat each workout like you are going to do stuff before or after it. I personally take nutrition in every 20 min. And I do incorport some solids on the bike. The amount of calories varies per person. But I take in about 400 Kcal/hr on the bike. Gel at 20', a Thriple threat bar at 40' and another gel at 20'. I drink throughtout as well, but I don't "count" those calories. I'm sure TriOK has some info on this too. |
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![]() Yup. I always take something with me during training. I carry a gel with me in a pocket, just in case. For shorter, tempo runs or swim workouts, I take gatorade. For long runs and most rides, I take a Clif bar and multiple gels. My tummy can handle solid food ok on runs and rides. I eat a Clif bar every hour, and gel every 45 min. For races, I gel before I start. Then every 45 min after that. I have yet to do a race where I needed solid food, but I am prepping for a HIM, where solid food is a must. I carry just water with me on the bike, and drink only water during the race. For nutrition in general, I am like a roller coaster. Sometimes I am REALLY good, and sometimes I am REALLY bad. I am always conscious of what I eat, whether it is good or bad. While eating a burger, I am constantly thinking, "I am going to pay for this later." And I usually do, but I make my burger indulgences rare and worth it. I like to break food down into a few simple categories and then try to pick and choose among them to get a variety.
I drink a lot of milk so I usually don't think about that, but that is important too. Get your calcium. I also keep fast-food VERY limited. That stuff is poison. There are things that you can get that aren't that bad, but you can do better. I don't really count calories, and I don't deprive myself. Like I said, I am conscious of what I eat, and I try to stay on top of my nutrition. I can see a huge difference in performance and overall energy level when I eat like crap. It pays to pay attention to what is going in your mouth. |
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![]() Marvarnett - 2007-03-08 8:52 AM The body breaks down carbs first because it's more efficient. The purpose of gels is to replenish you Glycogin (sp) engine before the body starts looking for fuel elsewhere, like your muscles, which is not efficient or productive. I just thought of something else. For those of you trying to drop weight, the reason stated above is why you DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT want to maintain a low carb diet. You are SEVERELY limiting yourself, and could possibly cause irreversible damage to yourself. Carbs are ABSOLUTELY necessary for triathletes. I don't care what anyone says.... |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Question, how is Peanut butter for you? Not the all natural stuff, I'm talking about the straight of the shelf JIF variety. I'm assuming its a simple carb. Good amount of protein though. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Peanut butter on toast or bagels is common before race or training food for long distance runners. Like you said it has a good amount of protein. Its also calorie dense, meaning it will make you fat if you eat a lot of it often. You want to experiment with gels and nutrition during your training runs, to see how you tolerate it. You don't want to try it the first time during a race, and find out that it doesn't agree with you and you need to find a porta potty right now. As Robyn said, you want to take a few sips of water each time you take a gel, so your body absorbs it and you don't get an upset tummy. Gels come in non caffeinated, single or double caffeine. I like the single for the caffeine jolt, but double is too much and makes me jittery. Robyn, hasn't talked about the recovery products yet, but they really do help you be less sore the next day. Chocolate milk works pretty well, but doesn't have all the electrolytes and other good stuff that comes in what Robyn has. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Recovery products are a vital role that not many people pay much attention to. I, too, have read studies about Chocolate milk being a great recovery drink. Who would have thunk it right! The problem people encounter is that you have to put something into your body with the critical 15 - 45 min window after your workout. This is when your body will maximize what you put into it. Remember that you don't get stronger during your workout, it's after the workout when the body adapts to the stress you put on it. That's where recovery products come into play. Robyn mentioned Recover-Ease. What I like about it is that it's something I can throw in my gym bag or in my car and take it right after my workout. It's in pill form so no refrigeration, mixing, etc. But then again, I'm lazy like that. ;P And I'm biased because I use it and love it. So while other products are great too, you have to find what you will be able to use DIRECTLY after your workout in the 'critical' window time frame. Oh...in regards to PB. Yes, it's a great source of calories. In a good way! Remember that everything is in moderation. I have PB toast on my way to work every morning. And I've been known to eat a spoonful of it as a snack. But at the same time, I don't snack on potato chips the PB takes the place of that. As Robyn said, be mindful of what goes into your mouth. Edited by Marvarnett 2007-03-09 7:01 AM |
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![]() Marvarnett - 2007-03-09 6:58 AM Recovery products are a vital role that not many people pay much attention to. I, too, have read studies about Chocolate milk being a great recovery drink. Who would have thunk it right! The problem people encounter is that you have to put something into your body with the critical 15 - 45 min window after your workout. This is when your body will maximize what you put into it. Remember that you don't get stronger during your workout, it's after the workout when the body adapts to the stress you put on it. That's where recovery products come into play. Robyn mentioned Recover-Ease. What I like about it is that it's something I can throw in my gym bag or in my car and take it right after my workout. It's in pill form so no refrigeration, mixing, etc. But then again, I'm lazy like that. ;P And I'm biased because I use it and love it. So while other products are great too, you have to find what you will be able to use DIRECTLY after your workout in the 'critical' window time frame. Oh...in regards to PB. Yes, it's a great source of calories. In a good way! Remember that everything is in moderation. I have PB toast on my way to work every morning. And I've been known to eat a spoonful of it as a snack. But at the same time, I don't snack on potato chips the PB takes the place of that. As Robyn said, be mindful of what goes into your mouth. Ha... Would you guess that Dan is my teammate on Team Wicked Fast and he sells Recover-ease too. I'll just say there is a reason for that, and we'll leave it there. As far as peanut butter goes, it is very calorie dense, but the calories it does offer are not empty ones. If you have ever read anything about sports and nutrition you will have seen them refer to "empty" calories. Empty calories come from foods that don't offer any other form of nutrition. These foods are high in sugar (glucose, fructose) or saturated fats. Believe it or not, some fat is good and to athletes its very good. Not to get too technical, but foods that are high in unsaturated fats, in moderation, can be very good for you. The cushy stuff in your brain and all of your cell membranes are made from unsaturated fats. Even the cholesterol in eggs is good, to a point. Lots of hormones, especially testosterone and estrogen, are derivatives of cholesterol. Foods like extra virgin olive oil and peanut butter are loaded with these "good" fats. As long as they are consumed in moderation, they are very beneficial to your diet. Personally, I think the all-natural peanut butter tastes like dirt. I get a low sugar variety of PB (I think Jiff makes it) and put it on crackers or toast before a long workout. The proteins in PB are beneficial too, but we all know that. Edited to add: Sorry. I let my inner geek shine through. I am a biochemist by education and training. Edited by triOK 2007-03-09 8:16 AM |
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![]() I am going to place an order for Carb-BOOM products tonight or tommorrow. If you guys want anything, let me know and I will get it in. If you order now, it cuts down on the cost for shipping. I have some other orders going in and I can just send it in all together. If you want Recover-ease or Energ-ease, I can have that out to you by tomorrow morning (assuming its on my doorstep waiting for me). Let me know ASAP! Happy Friday! YAY! |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So I was looking at Aero-bars for my bike and I was all set to by the Syntace C2 Clip-on when I noticed that it came in three sizes. I don't know how to size and Aero-bar? Anybody out there with experience in this? I'm a 6 foot guy and I ride a 60in frame. Should I just assume a Large? |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() From the Nasbar website: C2 Clip-on Aerobar (more photos) Made of drop-forged aluminum components and a special ovalized tubing. The patented, adjustable Bio-wing forearm rests are positioned behind the bar for better weight distribution. Installs easily. Black. 366g. Specify Size: S (Riders 5.5' and under), M (5.5' to 6.0'), or L (6.0' and over). |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() A few things to think about when you add aerobars. Where is your bike computer going to go? The aerobars attatch to the handlebars where most people have their bike computer. I wound up buying a mount for the computer that attatches to the aerobars. If you install the bars yourself, what about the cabling for the brakes/shifters. I had to reroute mine a tiny bit when I installed the aerobars. I got the Profile Air Stryke aerobars because the arm rests are spring loaded and fold up when I am not on the aerobars, so that I can place my hands better on the handlebars for climbing if I wish. I love my aerobars, but the handling is a bit twitchy especially when going around corners. With practice it gets a lot easier. When in traffic on busy roads, I still use the hoods. If you ride with a bike club in a large formation of closely spaced riders, they may ask that you not use the aerobars, because the steering is not as good and you are more likely to crash. You don't have to take them off, just don't get on the aerobars during those rides. You also have to get off the aero bars to switch gears or brake. One of my friends has a back and hamstrings that are not that flexible, so he tilts his aerobars up a bit for comfort. Its not as aero as having them level, but he can stay in the modified postion much longer and is still somewhat aero. Your bike fit will change somewhat between aero and normal road bike postion. So you may need to change the position of your saddle depending on if you spend more time on the aerobars or normal. The pressure point on your saddle when you are on the aerobars will move from your sit bones to an area in front of the sit bones, and you will be riding more on the nose of the saddle than the wide part. On long rides I like the aerobars, because my skeleton supports my upper body weight rather than my arms. My arms get much less tired. I go about a mile and half to 2 miles an hour faster when I am on the aerobars pedaling at the same cadence, on flat roads. Enjoy. Cash Edited by Cashmason 2007-03-10 3:45 PM |
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![]() Sorry... I am stupid when it comes to bike fit/gear questions. I wish I could help more. |
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![]() Where's my group! YYYOOOOOOHOOOOOO. Anyone out there? Did we all have rough weekends or what? How did everyone do this week? |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() last week, i met my goal of 4.5 hours with 4 hours 36 min. i will shoot for 5 this week. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Barely squeezed in 5 hours last week, when I thought I would hit it with no problem. Not a good weekend for exercising, but managed a bit on Sunday night. Had today off work so went to the gym this afternoon. Decent start to the week. 5 hours planned again this week. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'll shoot for 8 again this week. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'll try for 7.5 hours again |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'll try for 7 hours again. Might take out my bike this week. Yipee! The weather looks good. I have regular pedals on my bike. I'm looking into getting cage pedals because I don't think I want to have to buy special shoes. Trying not to spend too much money. Any recommendations? |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() sorry guys, been out of commission for the last few days so I don't think I mad my 5.5 yet. I will go for 5.5 again this week. |
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![]() My apologies, guys... drama at work has led to me slacking on my mentoring. Stupid job. Anyway... I am working on posting the results of the tri challenge for last week. I will have it up by lunchtime at least. Party on... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Here's an odd thing I've learned - I can't do an underwater flip/somersault with my eyes open! I've done somersaults since I was a kid, and I've also been able to do flips to push off the wall. The last couple of times out, I've tried doing that with my eyes open, and my brain must get all confused seeing my legs up and over me! The results of this so far have been one of the following: tangled in the ropes, getting "stuck" upside down, forgetting to twist back over so my stomach is down, forgetting when to push off and missing the wall completely, and sometimes breathing in! All of these have resulted in various intakes of water and a pause in my laps. Sure enough though, when I get to the other side, I do it with my eyes closed and don't even think twice. Really strange... |
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New user ![]() ![]() | ![]() I caught some bad virus last Friday and have not done any training since, so I know I did not reach my goal last week and I am not planning on doing any training until I'm feeling better. I went to the doc and am on antibiotics and I also have to use an inhaler! like the kid from Goonies (anyone remember that movie?) Anyway. I'm starting to breathe a bit better and hopefully I'll be well soon. I rarely get sick, so this is very unusual, but I guess it has to happen sometimes eh? Good luck everyone on your training this week. |
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![]() triOK's Group No Mercy: 63.3% kbkav: 100% firstriguy: 86.4% poke4christ: 51.4% erjellum: 87.5% gator22: 100% tyroneNYC: ?? willie05: 100% shultzboy: ?? gc150: 100% triOK: 100% Marvarnett's Group starcorp: 100% on a HUGE week! mcole158: no goal this week Cashmason: 100% Marvarnett: didn't get your pledge for some reason.
Edited by triOK 2007-03-14 1:00 PM |
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![]() TyroneNYC - 2007-03-14 11:46 AM II went to the doc and am on antibiotics and I also have to use an inhaler! like the kid from Goonies (anyone remember that movie?) Rocky Road?!?!? I hope you start to feel better soon. Definitely take it slow training. We'll be here when you are ready to get going again! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I am having the week from hell here. Many commitments at work and home. I am hoping just to get some running in. I am having a big St. Patricks day party and I know I will have some cocktails and wipe out Sunday too. I will bounce back big next week though. I have a question too...What about sleep? I average less than five hours a night and sometimes wake up as early as 4:00 a.m. after going to bed after midnight. I cannot get back to sleep once I am up. I thought with all the training this would get better and it has not. Anyone ever try meds?? |
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