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Congrats! Hey you finished, now it's all about fine tunning and you'll be ready for 70.3 in no time!!! Keep it up Triathlete!!!
I hope I can join you next Sunday.


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gplitt - 2009-05-30 10:12 PM I did my first ever triathlon today--a sprint. As you all know, no practice can prepare you for the real deal. It was a 700 m swim, 13.8 meter bike, 3.5 mile run. I was 1:31, which was not my 1:30 goal, but after the swim was way better than expected. There were 640 people, and we all started together. For some reason, I went out fast in the swim. I swam to the wrong bouy, and had to cross over about 100 yrds to get back on track. And then it was like being in a washing machine or a mosh pit. I couldn't breath, I hyper-ventalated, a had a near total melt down and seriously thought about quitting just to live--I'm not kidding. I finished in the back third, totally depressed and thinking duathlon was my new sport. But, my transitions were great, my bike was awesome--I averaged over 20 mph--and my run was just survival. I think I left it all in the water and on the bike. I never walked though, and I finished 39 of 640, mostly because it was a race with a lot of beginners and out of shape people.

It was a wake up call. I'm soooo far from 70.3 ready. Somebody told me I was now a triathlete. I felt some pride, but the swim humbled me greatly.


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2009-05-31 12:31 PM
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Guys,
What's your take on wine, lets say a glass with dinner...........
When is it a no - no?



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boxer - 2009-05-31 1:31 PM Guys,
What's your take on wine, lets say a glass with dinner...........
When is it a no - no?



Is it ever a no-no?

If we ban wine, then someone will ban coffee....and then chocolate....It's a slippery slope as far as I'm concerned.
2009-05-31 4:22 PM
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prof40 - 2009-05-31 3:23 PM
boxer - 2009-05-31 1:31 PM Guys,
What's your take on wine, lets say a glass with dinner...........
When is it a no - no?



Is it ever a no-no?

If we ban wine, then someone will ban coffee....and then chocolate....It's a slippery slope as far as I'm concerned.


Ha, definitely agree.  A lot of nutrition guys that I read say wine and dark chocolate are encouraged, and not discouraged.  
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mck35 - 2009-05-31 4:22 PM
prof40 - 2009-05-31 3:23 PM
boxer - 2009-05-31 1:31 PM Guys,
What's your take on wine, lets say a glass with dinner...........
When is it a no - no?



Is it ever a no-no?

If we ban wine, then someone will ban coffee....and then chocolate....It's a slippery slope as far as I'm concerned.


Ha, definitely agree.  A lot of nutrition guys that I read say wine and dark chocolate are encouraged, and not discouraged.  



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2009-06-01 1:46 PM
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Guys,
I'm starting the week before my first Triathlon (this coming Sunday)  Should I keep my normal training schedule?
2009-06-01 1:51 PM
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boxer - 2009-06-01 2:46 PM Guys,
I'm starting the week before my first Triathlon (this coming Sunday)  Should I keep my normal training schedule?


Personally, I hate taking easy weeks unless I am actually utterly exhausted, so I usually do as normal a training week as possible, except that I make sure that I don't do any one event all out. Everything for me 1 week prior to the race is medium, maybe light, intensity.

OH - and I definitely take the full day off before the race. It makes me much more relaxed.

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So... I decided I had to get out and do some OWS, since my first race is two weeks from yesterday, and I've never swam with my wetsuit, or in really cold water.

Of course, today was super windy, so there were like 2 foot swells, and the water was probably about 50-55 degrees.  Surprisingly the cold didnt bother me that much, but the waves did, a lot.  I ended up breast stroking out for a little bit, before turning back and saying no mas.  I really really really have to practice before August.  This first race shouldnt be too bad, its more of a pool than an OWS, but it will be cold.

There goes my perfect week, one day in, but I have to say I'm glad I tried the OWS, and now I know what I really need to work on. 
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krystyna47 - 2009-06-01 1:51 PM
boxer - 2009-06-01 2:46 PM Guys,
I'm starting the week before my first Triathlon (this coming Sunday)  Should I keep my normal training schedule?


Personally, I hate taking easy weeks unless I am actually utterly exhausted, so I usually do as normal a training week as possible, except that I make sure that I don't do any one event all out. Everything for me 1 week prior to the race is medium, maybe light, intensity.

OH - and I definitely take the full day off before the race. It makes me much more relaxed.


Thanks Krystyna, I'll follow your advice word by word. (particularly taking the day off before the race


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So, I wasn't kidding about almost drowning on my swim last weekend. It felt like I took only about 30 normal strokes the whole way. My head was up, my feet sinking and I was with people everywhere for 700 meters.

It's Tuesday now, and it's still bothering me. I know I don't want to go out fast next time. My plan next time was to wait 20 seconds and then take off, but someone told me that if you do that, then you just get caught in all the terrible swimmers (not that I'm good). If I swim outside, then it significantly lengthens the swim, which will not be okay on my long race. Help--Any thoughts? I added a Sprint tri June 13 before my June 20 Olympic for more practice.

Doing that sprint woke me up. My training is going way up this week with renewed passion. I thought open water swims would be enough, but my two previous OWs did nothing to prepare me for last Saturday's mosh pit. I think I need OW training with a pack of walruses or something.

Who's racing this weekend--Boxer? Anyone else?
2009-06-02 10:28 AM
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Hey Greg (and everybody) ... 
Your swim sounds a lot like mine in my first tri a few weeks ago. At least you tried a few open water swims beforehand - I didn't do any. 
This is how it was explained to me by an experienced triathlete... What happens is, in the excitement of the start you typically go out too fast and don't breathe deep enough. So you're expending more energy than usual, and the air isn't going deep into your lungs. Once you get to a certain point, there is no way to recover. You can never get enough air. This is what happened to me... I stopped for what seemed like an eternity - just to try to catch my breath - and I couldn't. It was definitely a freaky experience, and the thought of "maybe tri's aren't for me after all" did cross my mind. (as well as "where is that kayak again..."   ). 
I wathed a video by Dave Scott yesterday (I can try to find it if you're interested) where he said he tells his athletes - during the first part of the swim, exaggerate your roll when taking a breathe and look up at the sky. He said that: 1) it gives you more time to breathe, and 2) the sky has a calming effect.
I'm gonna try this today on a practice OWS... and Sunday for a Sprint tri I'm doing (Pinchot Sprint - http://www.tricatsports.com/sprint.html).I definitely don't want to repeat what I did the first time.
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Hey Greg (and everybody) ... 
Your swim sounds a lot like mine in my first tri a few weeks ago. At least you tried a few open water swims beforehand - I didn't do any. 
This is how it was explained to me by an experienced triathlete... What happens is, in the excitement of the start you typically go out too fast and don't breathe deep enough. So you're expending more energy than usual, and the air isn't going deep into your lungs. Once you get to a certain point, there is no way to recover. You can never get enough air. Cold water makes it worse. This is what happened to me... I stopped for what seemed like an eternity - just to try to catch my breath - and I couldn't. It was definitely a freaky experience, and the thought of "maybe tri's aren't for me after all" did cross my mind. (as well as "where is that kayak again..."   ). 

I watched a video by Dave Scott yesterday (I can try to find it if you're interested) where he said he tells his athletes - during the first part of the swim, exaggerate your roll when taking a breathe and look up at the sky. He said that: 1) it gives you more time to breathe, and 2) the sky has a calming effect.
I'm gonna try this today on a practice OWS... and Sunday for a Sprint tri I'm doing in PA (Pinchot Sprint - http://www.tricatsports.com/sprint.html). I definitely don't want to repeat what I did the first time.

 
Jerry

 



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Yeah, no matter how much anyone prepares for the swim of a tri in the pool, it's never going to be the same as the OWS with everyone crowding each other in a race. And it's very hard to simulate the race scenario, unless you pretend waves are people... which, although you might be labelled crazy, might not be such a bad idea....

gplitt - 2009-06-02 11:09 AM

Who's racing this weekend--Boxer? Anyone else?


I've got an Olympic tri this weekend. It should be good practice for my HIM. I've got another one the weekend after. I'm guaranteed to beat my previous PR for an Oly (which was my first tri, last September) because that one was just a few months after surgery.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_6tOzt-nfM

Every time I do an open water swim start, I think of this video. And I've often asked myself, "what am I doing out here?"

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prof40 - 2009-06-02 1:28 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_6tOzt-nfM

Every time I do an open water swim start, I think of this video. And I've often asked myself, "what am I doing out here?"

Welcome to triathlon.


Oh man that one's been in my favourites for a couple months now and it *always* makes me laugh. It's inspirational! :P


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David--Nice video! You've just got to extend that over several hundred meters and it approximates the real thing. 

But tell me, what's a good strategy? Is it really just go out there and box, fight and claw? Or are there some better options than others for actually starting and swimming with some degree of sanity?

Good luck Krystyna on your olympic--I have 2 1/2 weeks until mine. Are you only taking the day before off?   
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gplitt - 2009-06-02 4:22 PM David--Nice video! You've just got to extend that over several hundred meters and it approximates the real thing. 

But tell me, what's a good strategy? Is it really just go out there and box, fight and claw? Or are there some better options than others for actually starting and swimming with some degree of sanity?

Good luck Krystyna on your olympic--I have 2 1/2 weeks until mine. Are you only taking the day before off?   


Here are some good links:
http://www.trifuel.com/triathlon/swim/open-water-swim-tips-000702.php
http://swimming.about.com/od/triathlon/a/oceanswimtips.htm

But I also think (and hope) this OWS race stuff just comes with actual racing practice. I plan on continuing to do a bunch of Sprint and Olympic tris for practice, even though I want to "move up" to HIM and eventually IM.

As for your Q, yep I'm only taking a day off (the day before the race). I would have liked to take the day off (Fri) and a lighter Wed and Thurs, but things aren't working out for me that way for this race - I'm starting with a running group on Wed and I've got my first soccer game Thurs night. Oh well! But for the HIM, I plan to rest rest rest. And eat lots of pasta.
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Here's the video from Dave Scott.

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Greg, the answer is yes, I have my first race this Sunday and I already signed up for my second Sprint Tri on June the 21.
It's called "Rock of the Marne" and back in 1979 was supposed to be the first organized triathlon event in continental US.
It's out of Hunter Army Air Field, 500 mts swim on the river, 13 mile bike around the base and 5k also on base.
I ran a 10k there at the beginning of the year and the atmosphere was great, plus is for a good cause, we'll be supporting the wives of our troops.

Today I discovered why swimming is the first event on a triathlon.  I ran right before jumping in the pool and.................
CRAMPS....... the worst! So I won't do it again. Best thing to do before swimming; stretching and some warm up exercises.
Speaking of streching I'll be joining a Yoga class twice a week, can't wait!!



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Random thoughts:

1. I used to place myself in the middle for the swim, or off to the right and then work my way into the main throng during the first 1/4 mile or so. Most folks take off fast for the initial 200 yards and then drop into their normal pace, so you'll find an open spot to slide into. Lately, however, I've just lined up near the front and gone out fast. There is going to be some contact in a mass swim start, so the sooner I get it over with, the better.

2. Yoga is great. I try to make a class 2x/week, and I definitely am more flexible.

3. The challenge I set is tough. I had to switch the workouts for Tuesday and Wednesday, and it looks like my Saturday will be rescheduled to Monday. How's everyone else juggling it all?


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I'm having a tough time fitting in everything I want to. Right now I feel like I'm on the cusp of a big gain in swimming, but barely have time for two sessions a week, plus one lesson. I'm desperate for time on the bike, but can't find more than 3 days a week to ride, and weather conspired against me this week.  Running at least is going well.
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casaubon - 2009-06-04 11:31 AM I'm having a tough time fitting in everything I want to. Right now I feel like I'm on the cusp of a big gain in swimming, but barely have time for two sessions a week, plus one lesson. I'm desperate for time on the bike, but can't find more than 3 days a week to ride, and weather conspired against me this week.  Running at least is going well.


Hang in there. I'm convinced that if transitions are considered the 4th event, time management should be the 5th.

And I'm officially out of the running for the perfect week. No strength training for me today.
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This has been the most difficult challenge by far. Since Sunday I have had two good swims, two okay bikes and two great runs, one distance, one speed, as well as 2 weight workouts. So that is very average and definitely not "perfect." My week's been way too busy. I get out of school in 9 more class days, the 18th, (my seriors are done today and so I only have two classes to teach now). After that, if I can't have some perfect weeks, it will be my own fault. Right now, life's way too crazy. I'm hoping for a mock oly tri on Saturday. 

Good luck Krystyna in the olympic-- I think you're our first one to officially go longer. Good luck Boxer in your Sprint. Anyone else?

I have a long Sprint on the 13th and an oly on the 20th, both competative by advertisement. I've got to get an OW in this weekend!
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Soooooo I had my Olympic tri today! Boy, was it ever exciting! What ended up happening: I lost track of time and as I was putting on sunblock at my tri station, the horn for the Oly tri to start BLEW. I hadn't put my wetsuit on, it was still in my bag. ARGHHHH, right? Well, I whipped it out, turned it outside in (it was inside out) as I ran to the swim start, put in on (well, first put it on backwards, and had to retry), and jumped in the water as people were already far far FAR out. Despite being 5 minutes late to start, I ended up catching up to them and passing 52 out of 150 participants. And because I was late to start, they gave me an additional 2min penalty! Ended up with a 1m59s/100m swim time, but my speed was actually 1m36s/100m. Sigh...

Being late? NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

Other than that, the course was beautiful despite all the hills for the bike portion and the beginning/end of the run. I didn't take it tooooo seriously because of the abovementioned stupidity and b/c I have another go at Oly next weekend.

And Boxer, how did your Sprint go?!?

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