They Who Shall not be Named II (Page 14)

Morning Judi!

Morning Pam!

Morning Hector!

Ok, I'm all alone talking to myself!  LOLOL

I'll check in later

tnickerson - 2007-11-13 9:23 AM

barqhead - 2007-11-13 8:29 AM
Morning, Tammy. TI has some good points, but there are three things I've seen in the book that I don't agree with. 1. You need to kick, you cannot just drag your legs through the water. This saves no energy!! 2. During the recovery portion of the stroke (when your arm is out of the water) reach as far forward with your hand OUT of the water. Do not let your hand enter the water near your head, then extend it under the water. More tiring, more drag! 3. I don't like how far underwater they want your head. To me, the water line should be at or slightly above your forehead, not at the back of your head. What part of swimming do you struggle with? Pull, kick, body position, breathing? Or do you want to build speed and endurance? I can pm you some workouts if you let me know what you want to accomplish. Have a good one! Pam

Well now, that's a very good question. Ultimate goal is to get faster. I believe to get faster, I need to be more efficient in the water. Problems that I am aware of now:

1. My butt and legs are too low in the water. When I use the pull buoy between my knees I can definitely feel the difference, but I don't know how to correct it swimming without the buoy.

2. When I swim laps, I usually concentrate on reaching out as far as I can, feeling my lats working. When I do this, I can usually get a good roll going and it also seems to relax me. The problem is that if I start thinking about anything else, EVERYTHING falls apart. I don't know how to think about stroke, body position, and kicking all at the same time.

3. I feel like I have one speed. Slow. If I try harder, I actually slow down. If I feel like I'm really poking along, but relaxed, I go a little faster.

I did learn how to bilaterally breath this fall. Is this something you actually do in a race situation? I've never noticed swimmers bilaterally breathing in a race.

Thanks!

I did see the link to the 50 swim workouts. I have to figure out what they are talking about before I can actually do one! I'll take another look at them when I have a little longer.

T,

Bilateral breathing you'll need if the OWS has wind and waves and the swim has legs that are perpendicular to the waves. One way you'll HAVE to breath on one side and the return on the other side. All of my tri's this year had lot's of wind and big waves to them! Also if the sun is rising on one side it sure e is annoying to have to look into it all the time when you can just turn to the other side!

My legs and hips use to sink too and was able to correct it with proper kicking. I developed my kick using Fins and a kickboard, big diff after a month, I was so weak with an improper and dragging kick before that. My first length with fins was 20 seconds slower than my 3rd length when I first got them! Before that if I used a kickboard without fin's I could go backwards at times!

I have been borrowing a pair of Finis freestyle paddles from a friend since early Sept. On the first length I was a total mess with them, after 2 full laps I began to understand what I've been doing wrong. After a month of using them I finally developed the memory to have the proper stroke from beginning to end. IMHO, for the price they are probably one of the best tools one can use to get the proper stroke developed. But without the correct kick (i.e. non-dragging) I'd still be fighting myself. My "slow" speed went from 2:20's to 1:55's after a month.  I have a lot of endurance work to still do but that's for next months challenge

Hope this helps! 

Good morning teamies!

I signed off the BIG thread over the weekend, thanks Beth for letting me know where everyone is!  Did I miss any awesome team pix or storylines over the weekend??? 

I see Spokes, AKA "the runner", is being a target today, nice!

I used my mulligan all ready so I cannot miss a core workout the rest of the way.  

Hey Tammy!  As a silver member, take a look at some of the swim drills mentioned in the training plans...

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/training-plans-view.asp?planid=416

There are some balance drills, fist drills, catch-up drills (this one really helped me to balance and stretch out).  Different drills for different plans, so take a look...

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/trainingplans-list.asp

just click on (Complete plan quick view)

Let me know if you need help getting around...

Read in this mornings paper that Gas in FL is $0.003 off of the all time average high.  I decided that today I'm saving ~ $1.90 in gas and rode my MTB into work! 

Morning!  Glad you found us - it was quite the exciting weekend

The latest nibbins notes are on page 113 of the other thread

the pages in the 90 something area have some nice pics and info on Hectors race!

ditto

so, from now on - at least one of the guys needs to commit to hanging out with the gals - i'll leave it to you guys to set the schedule

LMAO!

Good for you!  I'd love to be able to ride to work, but Omaha is a very unfriendly place to ride -

wow, 19 18 posts to go and i lose all my stars

Pam, that's so cool that you did that for Tammy...personal coaching advice from one of the sub 1:25 swimmers on our team...cool...go Twisnibbins!  (haven't broken 1:40 YET...give me some time...and some coaching...hee)

I'm still working to break 1:50, but considering how much improvement I still need in the bike and the run times, i'm not as focused on improving the speed in the swim

Pam, that is so awesome!  I know Tammy will really appreciate it :-)

Hey Sal,

how're you feeling today?

want some bugles?  LOL

barqhead - 2007-11-13 11:31 AM Thanks! I love coaching swimmers! And for us triathletes, speed isn't all that important. Good form and relaxation takes you through the swim adequately so that you are ready to hammer the bike and run like crazy! If you're gonna be bad at something, be bad at the swim cuz it's the least important of the disciplines. (Too bad for me )

Heh...I have NO problem 'resting' during the swim.  My PR on a sprint distance is 1:53s, then I drop down to a fairly slow pace on the Olympic distance (2:34s).  I do tend to really focus on staying relaxed (to the extent of singing and doing math in my head while I swim) and keeping my form for the Olympic distance, but it sure would be nice to do that distance sub 2 open water.  I guess the only thing I have to compare it to is my pool swimming, because that was my one and only Olympic distance last summer (my first).

I'll keep plugging away, and we'll see what next season brings.  Any recommendations on what to concentrate on during the 'off-season' and build would be MORE than appreciated.  I plan on jumping up to the half iron distance this June...

Euuuppp...I think I just threw up in my mouth...

Well, I'm off to serve turkey -

gobble gobble!

ewwwwww!

LMAO!!

My PR in a sprint is 1:50 and in an olympic distance its' 2:14 -

 I'm planning on bumping up to the 1/2 IM distance in 2009 (not sure if it will be a full tri or an aquabike - that will depend on how my knees hold up)

I have too many 'life' things coming up this year to realistically think that I can accomplish  more than a  couple of Oly's and 1 or two sprints this coming season

Now turkey...I could go for that...

Heh...I have NO problem 'resting' during the swim.  My PR on a sprint distance is 1:53s, then I drop down to a fairly slow pace on the Olympic distance (2:34s).  I do tend to really focus on staying relaxed (to the extent of singing and doing math in my head while I swim) and keeping my form for the Olympic distance, but it sure would be nice to do that distance sub 2 open water.  I guess the only thing I have to compare it to is my pool swimming, because that was my one and only Olympic distance last summer (my first).

I'll keep plugging away, and we'll see what next season brings.  Any recommendations on what to concentrate on during the 'off-season' and build would be MORE than appreciated.  I plan on jumping up to the half iron distance this June...

Dee - I LOVE YOU!!!

I had the most delightful freestyle swim over lunch...

OMG, it truly is 90% arms and 10% legs!!!!  

Without even doing flip turns, my average 100m time was 2.5 mins.

I am floating on air, I am SOOOO excited!!
(no, really?  Tell us something we don't know)

LOL

that turkey looks kind of familiar :-)

Sounds like a great swim Sharon!