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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() michgirlsk - 2012-10-24 6:45 PM Thanks! Over the next few weeks I'm just going to get in the pool probably mostly easy stuff to get used to swimming again since I haven't been in the pool since August. I will keep this in mind for the future though. Since I also realized as I was looking back at logs I didn't put in a whole lot of pool time this summer, I feel if I were to put in some quality time this winter I could take off a minute or 2 off my 800 ows (I hope anyway.) Do you ever do longer continuous swims? I try to do long, continuous swims every couple of weeks. It helps my confidence, if nothing else. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trigal38 - 2012-10-24 2:47 PM owl_girl - 2012-10-24 3:37 PM My swim coach wanted me to do a 1000 yard time trial to get my Threshold pace. I did it today. Holy moly! I did it in 17:37! That's 1:45/100 yards! I'm so excited! I've never gone under 18 minutes for a 1000! I was super tired going into it, too. My legs were heavy. I probably could have gone faster if I was feeling fresh! I'm sure she has an evil swim plan waiting for me based upon this test! Whoo Hoo!! Congratulations but I don't envy what is in store for you from your coach! I'm a bit frightened! I'll get my plan in a couple weeks. She muttered something about getting some great info and advice at the upcoming USAT coaches conference. I'm on pins and needles! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() pgrun - 2012-10-25 12:15 AM I've been reading posts the past few months - everyone doing very well - and I've gotten tons of great training ideas for next year. I've continued to run - but biking out of the question - swimming possible, but need to join a pool again. Divorce issues complicated life in July, but my back is the real thing that slowed me down - first doc said shingles - but now that I finally got an MRI, I have a bulging disc (or 3) and one in particular is causing my pain. Now that I know the culprit - fixing it should be easy - and I expect to be good to go for next year's season. I do plan to run a mini 11/3 - so the training has continued to some extent. eating some ice ream- reading posts - have a good night - thanks for advice and posts form all. Paul. It's great to see you back Paul. As Tracy said, it seems life has thrown a lot of curve balls your way this year. Hopefully things will get much better in the coming months and everything can begin to get back on track. I am guessing you're doing the Monumental HM? I was there last year but did the full. It was good race and I had a lot of fun. Do you have any word on when you can get back on the bike? You might try to get re-fit so you can get rid of the back pain and maybe get those 3 vertebrae out of the danger zone. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() pgrun - 2012-10-25 12:15 AM I've been reading posts the past few months - everyone doing very well - and I've gotten tons of great training ideas for next year. I've continued to run - but biking out of the question - swimming possible, but need to join a pool again. Divorce issues complicated life in July, but my back is the real thing that slowed me down - first doc said shingles - but now that I finally got an MRI, I have a bulging disc (or 3) and one in particular is causing my pain. Now that I know the culprit - fixing it should be easy - and I expect to be good to go for next year's season. I do plan to run a mini 11/3 - so the training has continued to some extent. eating some ice ream- reading posts - have a good night - thanks for advice and posts form all. Paul. Paul welcome back and it's good to hear from you. Sounds like you've had a lot of stuff going on and it's good to see you have some time to get back to training and to start thinking about next year. I hope you can get your back problem taken care of as well. Edited by strikyr 2012-10-25 8:37 AM |
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![]() | ![]() pgrun - 2012-10-25 12:15 AM I've been reading posts the past few months - everyone doing very well - and I've gotten tons of great training ideas for next year. I've continued to run - but biking out of the question - swimming possible, but need to join a pool again. Divorce issues complicated life in July, but my back is the real thing that slowed me down - first doc said shingles - but now that I finally got an MRI, I have a bulging disc (or 3) and one in particular is causing my pain. Now that I know the culprit - fixing it should be easy - and I expect to be good to go for next year's season. I do plan to run a mini 11/3 - so the training has continued to some extent. eating some ice ream- reading posts - have a good night - thanks for advice and posts form all. Paul. Great to hear from you Paul. Sounds like a tough time on all fronts lately. Stay the course. On the training font, back issues seem particularly tough. Jeff has some great experience recovering from that, so maybe he'll chime in. Planning any races we can follow you on? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() owl_girl - 2012-10-24 11:53 PM I try to do long, continuous swims every couple of weeks. It helps my confidence, if nothing else. I am doing myself a disservice by not doing long continuous swims at all. It's not part of master's swim practice and it's not traditionally part of swim training. But physiology is physiology and just like long continuous runs and rides are important to cycling/running I think the same principle holds for endurance swimmers. Triathletes can forget this because we train like swimmers.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() pgrun - 2012-10-24 11:15 PM I've been reading posts the past few months - everyone doing very well - and I've gotten tons of great training ideas for next year. I've continued to run - but biking out of the question - swimming possible, but need to join a pool again. Divorce issues complicated life in July, but my back is the real thing that slowed me down - first doc said shingles - but now that I finally got an MRI, I have a bulging disc (or 3) and one in particular is causing my pain. Now that I know the culprit - fixing it should be easy - and I expect to be good to go for next year's season. I do plan to run a mini 11/3 - so the training has continued to some extent. eating some ice ream- reading posts - have a good night - thanks for advice and posts form all. Paul. Paul, sorry for your divorce. I know it hurts more than anything. I have the disc issues too. I assume your pain is localized to your back and not radiating down the leg? I endured my back for 20 years before it improved on me. For a number of years if I rode my bike for 30 minutes that was all I could handle and I paid for it for a few days. Glad you posted. Good to hear from you.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() At the beginning of the season I called out Dirk and suggested we compare our USAT ranking scores for the season. They aren't official yet, but I don't think I have any high scores outstanding...he's 2 points higher than me so he won the smackdown. Good job Dirk!!!! How about next season we try to race head to head??? |
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![]() pgrun - 2012-10-24 11:15 PM I've been reading posts the past few months - everyone doing very well - and I've gotten tons of great training ideas for next year. I've continued to run - but biking out of the question - swimming possible, but need to join a pool again. Divorce issues complicated life in July, but my back is the real thing that slowed me down - first doc said shingles - but now that I finally got an MRI, I have a bulging disc (or 3) and one in particular is causing my pain. Now that I know the culprit - fixing it should be easy - and I expect to be good to go for next year's season. I do plan to run a mini 11/3 - so the training has continued to some extent. eating some ice ream- reading posts - have a good night - thanks for advice and posts form all. Paul. So glad you checked in. It is good to hear from you even though I hate to read of any of the junkies going through rough times. |
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![]() OK, so I am going to stray from triathlon talk for a moment because I just finished a parent teacher conference for my 4 year old daughter in preschool. I've been on pins and needles because I was her preschool teacher last year and it was a real strain on both of us then this year she had a terrible time transitioning without me there. Plus Gracie is a bit of a free spirit and her preschool is very structured. Anyway, long story just to say she got a great report. Whew, I'm so proud of her. Last year her personality was so difficult I was really afraid of what we were in for but she has changed so much this year. And best of all the teacher said Gracie stands up for herself and tells the other kids straight up when she does not like what they are doing even before she tells the teacher. I love that so much. If you are or girl or as the Dad's you have raised girls you know how important self esteem is and for a 4 year old little girl to have a voice - priceless. Ok, back to regularly scheduled tri talk |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trigal38 - 2012-10-25 3:39 PM OK, so I am going to stray from triathlon talk for a moment because I just finished a parent teacher conference for my 4 year old daughter in preschool. I've been on pins and needles because I was her preschool teacher last year and it was a real strain on both of us then this year she had a terrible time transitioning without me there. Plus Gracie is a bit of a free spirit and her preschool is very structured. Anyway, long story just to say she got a great report. Whew, I'm so proud of her. Last year her personality was so difficult I was really afraid of what we were in for but she has changed so much this year. And best of all the teacher said Gracie stands up for herself and tells the other kids straight up when she does not like what they are doing even before she tells the teacher. I love that so much. If you are or girl or as the Dad's you have raised girls you know how important self esteem is and for a 4 year old little girl to have a voice - priceless. Ok, back to regularly scheduled tri talk Dina that is great news. It looks like you did a great job and you should be very proud of her. Your daughter sounds alot like my younger daughter Erin. She is the type of person who has no problem standing up for herself and telling you exactly how it is where as my older daughter Kayla is how should I say maybe a little more reserved. |
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![]() | ![]() That is awesome news Dina. Sounds like you're well on your way, and couldn't agree more about raising girls with self-esteem and confidence. Those first few years of school and the transitions required are pretty tough sometimes, so glad it is going well. Listening to all of you with girls on here it gives me hope for the future of our race hearing and seeing how well you've done with your daughters. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JeffY - 2012-10-25 10:58 AM At the beginning of the season I called out Dirk and suggested we compare our USAT ranking scores for the season. They aren't official yet, but I don't think I have any high scores outstanding...he's 2 points higher than me so he won the smackdown. Good job Dirk!!!! How about next season we try to race head to head??? What??? No way!! I'm not buying it just yet. I'll wait until the official scores come out and I'll check for myself. I seriously can't believe I score higher. Race head to head? That scares me! I think it should be a HIM if we race head to head. Then maybe I'll have some type of advantage since you haven't raced a HIM (I think). I think it would be incredible fun to meet face to face first and then to race head to head. But I haven't raced any one person before and it would be kind of weird to actually race a particular individual as opposed to my personal times and percentage goals. The only exception to that would be when I had made it a vendetta race at the Lima Kewpee sprint last season when I screwed up the swim so badly and swam 630 yards instead of the 500 yards I was supposed to swim.) I say let's start the planning stages. It would be fun! Edit: Wait! Do I have a higher score because I raced more? Are you trying to sucker me into a humiliating defeat? Edited by DirkP 2012-10-25 4:10 PM |
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![]() | ![]() DirkP - 2012-10-25 4:57 PM JeffY - 2012-10-25 10:58 AM At the beginning of the season I called out Dirk and suggested we compare our USAT ranking scores for the season. They aren't official yet, but I don't think I have any high scores outstanding...he's 2 points higher than me so he won the smackdown. Good job Dirk!!!! How about next season we try to race head to head??? What??? No way!! I'm not buying it just yet. I'll wait until the official scores come out and I'll check for myself. I seriously can't believe I score higher. Well, you do use two arms while swimming. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trigal38 - 2012-10-25 12:39 PM OK, so I am going to stray from triathlon talk for a moment because I just finished a parent teacher conference for my 4 year old daughter in preschool. I've been on pins and needles because I was her preschool teacher last year and it was a real strain on both of us then this year she had a terrible time transitioning without me there. Plus Gracie is a bit of a free spirit and her preschool is very structured. Anyway, long story just to say she got a great report. Whew, I'm so proud of her. Last year her personality was so difficult I was really afraid of what we were in for but she has changed so much this year. And best of all the teacher said Gracie stands up for herself and tells the other kids straight up when she does not like what they are doing even before she tells the teacher. I love that so much. If you are or girl or as the Dad's you have raised girls you know how important self esteem is and for a 4 year old little girl to have a voice - priceless. Ok, back to regularly scheduled tri talk Great news, Dina! I love hearing about little girls that find a backbone early in life. It will serve her well. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I need a little advice regarding my upcoming time trial. It's on Saturday. I'm not in the least bit prepared for it, so I'm putting the women's record on the back burner. I'd like to do as well as possible, though. How should I warm up for it? It's 11.6 miles and flat. I'll take my trainer to the start. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would start with an easy 10 minute spin to get the legs going followed by some short sprints and short rests. Maybe something like this: 10 min easy in a progressive zone 2 5 min zone 3 4x1 min high zone 3 to low zone 4 with 1 minute recovery 2 minutes in high Zone 2 with only a few minutes to get the bike to the start and get ready start the time trial. I think it's best to get a good sweat going and have your HR already up before beginning your TT. During your typical speed work outs, whether bike or run, the first place and worst place, in my opinion, is that initial HR increase. As your HR increases things seem to level off after a few minutes and the same effort can feel to your system much easier. I think this is close to the point that would be best to start the race. It seems that every time I have done a MLSS test it is the first 2-4 minutes that I am absolutely miserable and then things level off until the last 10 minutes. Then the last 10 minutes about make me want to puke. So if you finish like you are almost ready to toss your cookies, you will have done great. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I did my scheduled 500TT last night and I didn't fare to well, or at least not as well as I had liked. I believe there were many factors that seemed to cause my demise
There are a few things that can be taken away:
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() owl_girl - 2012-10-25 5:18 PM I need a little advice regarding my upcoming time trial. It's on Saturday. I'm not in the least bit prepared for it, so I'm putting the women's record on the back burner. I'd like to do as well as possible, though. How should I warm up for it? It's 11.6 miles and flat. I'll take my trainer to the start. I agree with Dirk's warmup prescription. The key to a short TT is the right warm-up (as well as the right pacing of course). To get that warm-up for a cycling TT it really is critical to bring your trainer and set it up near the start and to use all of your warm-up time precisely so that you have no more than 5 minutes between the end of the warm-up and being sent off on the TT. Have fun and let us know how it turns out!
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DirkP - 2012-10-25 3:57 PM What??? No way!! I'm not buying it just yet. I'll wait until the official scores come out and I'll check for myself. I seriously can't believe I score higher. Race head to head? That scares me! I think it should be a HIM if we race head to head. Then maybe I'll have some type of advantage since you haven't raced a HIM (I think). I have not done a HIM yet. I feel prepared for the race to T2, but don't feel highly confident of my speed over 13 miles at that point. But I am probably approaching it wrong. I can finish, it's just a question of what pace to choose....I don't need to wait for my first HIM until I can maintain my sprint tri pace the whole way!
I think it would be incredible fun to meet face to face first and then to race head to head. But I haven't raced any one person before and it would be kind of weird to actually race a particular individual as opposed to my personal times and percentage goals. The only exception to that would be when I had made it a vendetta race at the Lima Kewpee sprint last season when I screwed up the swim so badly and swam 630 yards instead of the 500 yards I was supposed to swim.) I love to create a 'head to head' race scenario. Of course you each race as fast as you can and are often starting separately in a TT start race but the point is simply to look at how you finish relative to each other for props afterwards...it just adds another dimension. Unless it's a mass start and we are 1 and 2 fighting for the overall victory---we wouldn't really be racing head to head in the complete sense.
I say let's start the planning stages. It would be fun! Edit: Wait! Do I have a higher score because I raced more? Are you trying to sucker me into a humiliating defeat? No, the USAT score is the average of your 3 highest scores. So if you've done 3 or more sanctioned races you have your score...less than 3 and you are 'unranked'. We both have 3+ races for the season so scores don't jump much at this point. If my average is 81.3 and I have another race result come in where I scored 88.2 then my average might come up a couple of points but I don't know if there are outstanding results for me. I did a few unsanctioned road tris this year and did a couple of xterras and I think what I have in the results right now might be everything?
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JeffY - 2012-10-26 10:08 AM DirkP - 2012-10-25 3:57 PM What??? No way!! I'm not buying it just yet. I'll wait until the official scores come out and I'll check for myself. I seriously can't believe I score higher. Race head to head? That scares me! I think it should be a HIM if we race head to head. Then maybe I'll have some type of advantage since you haven't raced a HIM (I think). I have not done a HIM yet. I feel prepared for the race to T2, but don't feel highly confident of my speed over 13 miles at that point. But I am probably approaching it wrong. I can finish, it's just a question of what pace to choose....I don't need to wait for my first HIM until I can maintain my sprint tri pace the whole way!
I think it would be incredible fun to meet face to face first and then to race head to head. But I haven't raced any one person before and it would be kind of weird to actually race a particular individual as opposed to my personal times and percentage goals. The only exception to that would be when I had made it a vendetta race at the Lima Kewpee sprint last season when I screwed up the swim so badly and swam 630 yards instead of the 500 yards I was supposed to swim.) I love to create a 'head to head' race scenario. Of course you each race as fast as you can and are often starting separately in a TT start race but the point is simply to look at how you finish relative to each other for props afterwards...it just adds another dimension. Unless it's a mass start and we are 1 and 2 fighting for the overall victory---we wouldn't really be racing head to head in the complete sense.
I say let's start the planning stages. It would be fun! Edit: Wait! Do I have a higher score because I raced more? Are you trying to sucker me into a humiliating defeat? No, the USAT score is the average of your 3 highest scores. So if you've done 3 or more sanctioned races you have your score...less than 3 and you are 'unranked'. We both have 3+ races for the season so scores don't jump much at this point. If my average is 81.3 and I have another race result come in where I scored 88.2 then my average might come up a couple of points but I don't know if there are outstanding results for me. I did a few unsanctioned road tris this year and did a couple of xterras and I think what I have in the results right now might be everything?
Oh there is no doubt you carry the volume to get through a HIM easily. But like you said pacing is the bigger key to getting those last 13 miles in at a fair race pace at the end. Something I will still be working toward for the next racing season. (I would like have another 2 HIM season next year.) A very close to head to head could be possible at a race that would be similar to a Tri-Indy style of race. They do a TT start but they start each person about 3 seconds apart. There is a seeding process that is NOT followed closely, so it would be possible for us to start one after the other based on the way the race starts. From there it would be mano-a-mano to the end. I actually knew the USAT scores weren't influenced much by the numbers of races, or at least they shouldn't be. But as I have watched you race for the past year and a half I have seen some remarkable times and paces, leading me to believe I would be bringing up the rear if we raced. Regardless, it would be very fun! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DirkP - 2012-10-26 12:11 PM JeffY - 2012-10-26 10:08 AM DirkP - 2012-10-25 3:57 PM What??? No way!! I'm not buying it just yet. I'll wait until the official scores come out and I'll check for myself. I seriously can't believe I score higher. Race head to head? That scares me! I think it should be a HIM if we race head to head. Then maybe I'll have some type of advantage since you haven't raced a HIM (I think). I have not done a HIM yet. I feel prepared for the race to T2, but don't feel highly confident of my speed over 13 miles at that point. But I am probably approaching it wrong. I can finish, it's just a question of what pace to choose....I don't need to wait for my first HIM until I can maintain my sprint tri pace the whole way!
I think it would be incredible fun to meet face to face first and then to race head to head. But I haven't raced any one person before and it would be kind of weird to actually race a particular individual as opposed to my personal times and percentage goals. The only exception to that would be when I had made it a vendetta race at the Lima Kewpee sprint last season when I screwed up the swim so badly and swam 630 yards instead of the 500 yards I was supposed to swim.) I love to create a 'head to head' race scenario. Of course you each race as fast as you can and are often starting separately in a TT start race but the point is simply to look at how you finish relative to each other for props afterwards...it just adds another dimension. Unless it's a mass start and we are 1 and 2 fighting for the overall victory---we wouldn't really be racing head to head in the complete sense.
I say let's start the planning stages. It would be fun! Edit: Wait! Do I have a higher score because I raced more? Are you trying to sucker me into a humiliating defeat? No, the USAT score is the average of your 3 highest scores. So if you've done 3 or more sanctioned races you have your score...less than 3 and you are 'unranked'. We both have 3+ races for the season so scores don't jump much at this point. If my average is 81.3 and I have another race result come in where I scored 88.2 then my average might come up a couple of points but I don't know if there are outstanding results for me. I did a few unsanctioned road tris this year and did a couple of xterras and I think what I have in the results right now might be everything?
Oh there is no doubt you carry the volume to get through a HIM easily. But like you said pacing is the bigger key to getting those last 13 miles in at a fair race pace at the end. Something I will still be working toward for the next racing season. (I would like have another 2 HIM season next year.) A very close to head to head could be possible at a race that would be similar to a Tri-Indy style of race. They do a TT start but they start each person about 3 seconds apart. There is a seeding process that is NOT followed closely, so it would be possible for us to start one after the other based on the way the race starts. From there it would be mano-a-mano to the end. I actually knew the USAT scores weren't influenced much by the numbers of races, or at least they shouldn't be. But as I have watched you race for the past year and a half I have seen some remarkable times and paces, leading me to believe I would be bringing up the rear if we raced. Regardless, it would be very fun! I want to come to this race! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Actual comment from a guy in my yoga class today. "Real men do yoga because that s....'s hard!" Made me laugh. Bless his heart. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() owl_girl - 2012-10-26 3:37 PM Actual comment from a guy in my yoga class today. "Real men do yoga because that s....'s hard!" Made me laugh. Bless his heart. This is very funny and I would have to agree. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() owl_girl - 2012-10-26 2:37 PM Actual comment from a guy in my yoga class today. "Real men do yoga because that s....'s hard!" Made me laugh. Bless his heart. My sister was just telling me today about a 'power yoga' class she's started. Sounds right.
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