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 2011-02-07 8:57 PM in reply to: #3344011 |
Expert  1179    Kansas City, Missouri |  Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIESrachel5576 - 2011-02-07 4:51 PM wow! 70 mile bike rides, century races, marathons, 50 milers! you guys are pretty inspiring! Unfortunately for me i am having some hopefully minor heart issues and my doctor is not giving me the ok to continue to train until it is figured out  guess i'll be doing lots of walking til then.hope the rest of you are kicking major butt! Rut roh! I hope they figure out soon what is wrong. I just read an article about arrhythmia yesterday. Scary stuff. Keep us posted on the status! |
| 2011-02-07 9:02 PM in reply to: #3257098 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES Ok, Bruce, Tim and Brian, I'm positive I could get this info off the 'net but I'd rather stoke the fires of conversation here. School me on the difference between MTBs and Cyclocross bikes. Other than the obvious handlebar/shifting. Why is a cross bike not good for a MTB race. Or is it? I assume you could use a MTB in a cross race w/ no problem, yes? |
| 2011-02-07 9:30 PM in reply to: #3344011 |
| Regular 53 Spruce Grove | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES Oh no Rachel - hope you get it all figured out soon! I'm not keeping up with the 50+ milers on here, but I'm grateful to have the health to keep on working on my training! rachel5576 - 2011-02-07 5:51 PM wow! 70 mile bike rides, century races, marathons, 50 milers! you guys are pretty inspiring! Unfortunately for me i am having some hopefully minor heart issues and my doctor is not giving me the ok to continue to train until it is figured out guess i'll be doing lots of walking til then.hope the rest of you are kicking major butt! |
| 2011-02-07 9:43 PM in reply to: #3344173 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES shmeeg - 2011-02-07 7:02 PM Ok, Bruce, Tim and Brian, I'm positive I could get this info off the 'net but I'd rather stoke the fires of conversation here. School me on the difference between MTBs and Cyclocross bikes. Other than the obvious handlebar/shifting. Why is a cross bike not good for a MTB race. Or is it? I assume you could use a MTB in a cross race w/ no problem, yes? Yes. You could use a MTB in a cross race, but you will get schooled. You don't need suspension in cross racing. The obstacles in these types are races are meant to get you off the bike. The rest of the course is mostly a mixture of road, fire road, field, mud, etc. So, road geometry with a slightly larger tire works well. Now, go to the other extreme of MTB racing. You will get the snot beat out of you on a cross bike in these races. Imagine being on your road bike with a slightly larger tire and trying to roll of baby heads (large rocks), roots, drops, etc. It just isn't functional. The most you will want to tackle on a cross bike is fire road and flowing single track. Every tool in the tool box has a specific purpose! |
| 2011-02-07 9:45 PM in reply to: #3344011 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES rachel5576 - 2011-02-07 4:51 PM Unfortunately for me i am having some hopefully minor heart issues and my doctor is not giving me the ok to continue to train until it is figured out guess i'll be doing lots of walking til then.Wow, sorry to hear this. Wish you a quick recovery, |
| 2011-02-07 9:54 PM in reply to: #3344037 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES Mtb63 - 2011-02-07 5:04 PM Tim, that's a good lookin group of kiddo's you've got there. Congrats on your race, nice finish. Just curious what your injury was? Last year, I made the mistake of trying to prep for a marathon to quickly and not respecting the distance. I ended up with ITBS (Iliotibial Band Syndrome) and Piriformis. Unfortanely, unlike typical pain presentation at the lateral aspect of the knee, my pain was high and behind the greater trochanter (boney aspect of the femur in your hip). When I would run, I developed sharp pain that would radiate down the leg and create numbness in the glut. Rehab included ART therapy, NSAIDs, and unfortunately rest. As such, I struggled through most of my races last year with minimal run volume. |
| 2011-02-07 10:26 PM in reply to: #3257098 |
| Member 34 Tyler, Texas | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES Rachel, I know a little about what you're going through. Last October, I started having random heart palpitations which progressively got bad enough for me to seek a doctor. He couldn't figure it out but through talking with my sister who is a RN we figured it may be caused by the generic Zyrtec I had been taking (Dr. said they can't cause that). I quit taking them and they went away. A frustrating 2.5 month experience. I hope you get to the bottom of it soon, but in the meantime, chin up. Think of it as a long rest period! |
| 2011-02-07 10:55 PM in reply to: #3344230 |
| Member 34 Tyler, Texas | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES brick94513 - 2011-02-07 9:43 PM shmeeg - 2011-02-07 7:02 PM Ok, Bruce, Tim and Brian, I'm positive I could get this info off the 'net but I'd rather stoke the fires of conversation here. School me on the difference between MTBs and Cyclocross bikes. Other than the obvious handlebar/shifting. Why is a cross bike not good for a MTB race. Or is it? I assume you could use a MTB in a cross race w/ no problem, yes? Yes. You could use a MTB in a cross race, but you will get schooled. You don't need suspension in cross racing. The obstacles in these types are races are meant to get you off the bike. The rest of the course is mostly a mixture of road, fire road, field, mud, etc. So, road geometry with a slightly larger tire works well. Now, go to the other extreme of MTB racing. You will get the snot beat out of you on a cross bike in these races. Imagine being on your road bike with a slightly larger tire and trying to roll of baby heads (large rocks), roots, drops, etc. It just isn't functional. The most you will want to tackle on a cross bike is fire road and flowing single track. Every tool in the tool box has a specific purpose! Well said, Tim. A mtb might be a bit heavy/awkward for a cross since you have to drag the bike over obstacles. I guess if you wanted to, you could use a mtb in a cross race, just goofing around. But I wouldn't use a cross on a gnarly single track like Tim described. Just not wise. |
| 2011-02-08 6:40 AM in reply to: #3344011 |
Member 17 | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES rachel5576 - 2011-02-07 6:51 PM wow! 70 mile bike rides, century races, marathons, 50 milers! you guys are pretty inspiring! Unfortunately for me i am having some hopefully minor heart issues and my doctor is not giving me the ok to continue to train until it is figured out guess i'll be doing lots of walking til then.hope the rest of you are kicking major butt! Echoing the sentiments of others, Rachel. Hope you and your physician get to the bottom of this real soon. |
| 2011-02-08 11:39 AM in reply to: #3344230 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES brick94513 - 2011-02-07 9:43 PM shmeeg - 2011-02-07 7:02 PM Ok, Bruce, Tim and Brian, I'm positive I could get this info off the 'net but I'd rather stoke the fires of conversation here. School me on the difference between MTBs and Cyclocross bikes. Other than the obvious handlebar/shifting. Why is a cross bike not good for a MTB race. Or is it? I assume you could use a MTB in a cross race w/ no problem, yes? Yes. You could use a MTB in a cross race, but you will get schooled. You don't need suspension in cross racing. The obstacles in these types are races are meant to get you off the bike. The rest of the course is mostly a mixture of road, fire road, field, mud, etc. So, road geometry with a slightly larger tire works well. Now, go to the other extreme of MTB racing. You will get the snot beat out of you on a cross bike in these races. Imagine being on your road bike with a slightly larger tire and trying to roll of baby heads (large rocks), roots, drops, etc. It just isn't functional. The most you will want to tackle on a cross bike is fire road and flowing single track. Every tool in the tool box has a specific purpose! this^ I'll add though, that you can certainly use an MTB for cross and people do it all the time. I've also seen cross bikes on the MTB trails, never in a race though. Those guys end up riding the flowing singletrack and double track sections like Tim said, but then carry the the bike through rocky/rutty uphills/tough single track/over obstacles etc. If you want to get your feet wet with cross use your MTB. It's just another one of those things, you'll want the purpose built machine if you get more competitive. |
| 2011-02-08 11:39 AM in reply to: #3344230 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES |
| 2011-02-08 12:32 PM in reply to: #3257098 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES Brian, I gots no off-road bikes. If I did, I'd be an Xterra junkie! |
| 2011-02-08 12:34 PM in reply to: #3345243 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES shmeeg - 2011-02-08 12:32 PM Brian, I gots no off-road bikes. If I did, I'd be an Xterra junkie! See.....that's where I'm going with this!  LOL If you were to get yourself an MTB you could dabble in Cross with it. |
| 2011-02-08 3:42 PM in reply to: #3257098 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES ^^ ok mr bad influence!!  Let's change gears for a minute. Where's my swimmers at. I'm noticing that my pull (only one of many things that needs improvement) needs work as TJ pointed out here, but I don't know how to go about improving it. When I try to get the EVF and pull using my lats, it feels completely unnatural and doesn't seem to propel me anywhere. I'm about 15-20 secs slower per 100 right now than I was at the end of the season last year and would like to get a little of that back before my race in April. Any tricks that worked for you all? |
| 2011-02-08 3:51 PM in reply to: #3345647 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES shmeeg - 2011-02-08 3:42 PM ^^ ok mr bad influence!! Let's change gears for a minute. Where's my swimmers at. I'm noticing that my pull (only one of many things that needs improvement) needs work as TJ pointed out here, but I don't know how to go about improving it. When I try to get the EVF and pull using my lats, it feels completely unnatural and doesn't seem to propel me anywhere. I'm about 15-20 secs slower per 100 right now than I was at the end of the season last year and would like to get a little of that back before my race in April. Any tricks that worked for you all? I'm having the opposite problem. I'm attempting to put too much power in my pul and my cadence is freakishly low. My swim coach is trying to get me to increase my cadence, but I'm sooooo focussed on a strong pull I get real tired. Anywho, for you I might suggest: 1. getting some paddles to help you develop a strong efficient pull 2. one arm drills focussing on that pull You may have been re-enforcing the "paint the bottom of the pool" stroke while swimming on your own. Now it's going to take a step back and some practice to break the habit. |
| 2011-02-08 3:55 PM in reply to: #3345671 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES Meulen - 2011-02-08 1:51 PM I'm having the opposite problem. I'm attempting to put too much power in my pul and my cadence is freakishly low. My swim coach is trying to get me to increase my cadence, but I'm sooooo focussed on a strong pull I get real tired. Anywho, for you I might suggest: 1. getting some paddles to help you develop a strong efficient pull 2. one arm drills focussing on that pull You may have been re-enforcing the "paint the bottom of the pool" stroke while swimming on your own. Now it's going to take a step back and some practice to break the habit. That is freakish  . I'm skeered of using paddles, I've read too many accounts of people who didn't have a good stroke doing damage to their shoulders by using them improperly. I don't think I'm ready for that yet. I may just have to get some 1-1 coaching and have someone drill it into me while I'm making the mistakes. But yeah, I definitely feel like the Karate Kid painting the fence!  |
| 2011-02-08 4:25 PM in reply to: #3345647 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES shmeeg - 2011-02-08 1:42 PM ^^ ok mr bad influence!! Let's change gears for a minute. Where's my swimmers at. I'm noticing that my pull (only one of many things that needs improvement) needs work as TJ pointed out here, but I don't know how to go about improving it. When I try to get the EVF and pull using my lats, it feels completely unnatural and doesn't seem to propel me anywhere. I'm about 15-20 secs slower per 100 right now than I was at the end of the season last year and would like to get a little of that back before my race in April. Any tricks that worked for you all? Jay a good drill to bring up the elbows is swimming with fists. After watching your video, I believe this would be especially helpful due to your long, straight pull toward the bottom of the pool. If you do this same stroke with your hands in fists, you won't get any propulsion. The drill forces you to raise you elbows and catch more water with your forearms. Also, when focusing on high-elbows, its often helpful to exaggerate the movement. I like to picture it as climbing a ladder. To keep yourself in a stable climbing position, your elbows have to go out to allow your hands to come into your chest. The same holds true while prone in the water, however, be careful and diligent in not letting your hands cross midline. Little things that help me.... |
| 2011-02-08 4:32 PM in reply to: #3345243 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES shmeeg - 2011-02-08 10:32 AM Brian, I gots no off-road bikes. If I did, I'd be an Xterra junkie! Just get a cross bike. Not that expensive. Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/Specialized-Tricross-Pro-Sram-Cyclocross-Bike-58cm-/140508328697?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item20b6f2f2f9 |
| 2011-02-09 11:35 AM in reply to: #3257098 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES |
| 2011-02-09 11:41 AM in reply to: #3347018 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES brick94513 - 2011-02-09 11:35 AM  Hmm... it might not be the right set-up for this weekend, but it sure looks good. SWEET!!!! you've got quite the stable going on there Tim! |
| 2011-02-09 11:46 AM in reply to: #3347018 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES brick94513 - 2011-02-09 9:35 AM Hmm... it might not be the right set-up for this weekend, but it sure looks good. Hawt! I'd roll 'em. You'll just have to coast once in awhile so I can keep up :D |
| 2011-02-09 12:30 PM in reply to: #3345787 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES brick94513 - 2011-02-08 2:32 PM Just get a cross bike. Not that expensive. Check this out: You guys just said I couldn't use a cross bike for an MTB event! I'm sure I will get the cross bike first, just because I am really interested in doing some cross racing next fall. Are most Xterra events real technical? Are there ever any w/ 'easy' trails that could be ridden w/ a cross bike? You know me, I never go cheap  I really have no idea what will make my 'must have' feature list for the cross bike. I might actually set a realistic price cap for a change. This is the one I looked at locally. A little pricey, but it was sweet lookin and I liked the component choices. The dealer is 'willing to let it go for $3500'. That's still too much in my mind.http://www.focus-bikes.com/us/en_us/bikes/bikes-2011/category/cyclocross-7/model/mares-cx-1-1.html |
| 2011-02-09 12:46 PM in reply to: #3347172 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES shmeeg - 2011-02-09 12:30 PM brick94513 - 2011-02-08 2:32 PM Just get a cross bike. Not that expensive. Check this out: You guys just said I couldn't use a cross bike for an MTB event! I'm sure I will get the cross bike first, just because I am really interested in doing some cross racing next fall. Are most Xterra events real technical? Are there ever any w/ 'easy' trails that could be ridden w/ a cross bike? You know me, I never go cheap I really have no idea what will make my 'must have' feature list for the cross bike. I might actually set a realistic price cap for a change. This is the one I looked at locally. A little pricey, but it was sweet lookin and I liked the component choices. The dealer is 'willing to let it go for $3500'. That's still too much in my mind.http://www.focus-bikes.com/us/en_us/bikes/bikes-2011/category/cyclocross-7/model/mares-cx-1-1.html I don't see using a cross bike in Xterra. Especially, out west. Tim will probably have the best opinion on that though |
| 2011-02-09 1:20 PM in reply to: #3347172 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES shmeeg - 2011-02-09 10:30 AM brick94513 - 2011-02-08 2:32 PM Just get a cross bike. Not that expensive. Check this out: You guys just said I couldn't use a cross bike for an MTB event! I'm sure I will get the cross bike first, just because I am really interested in doing some cross racing next fall. Are most Xterra events real technical? Are there ever any w/ 'easy' trails that could be ridden w/ a cross bike? I would advise against it. I just posted that cross bike because I thought you were leaning more toward CCCX than XTERRA. |
| 2011-02-09 3:30 PM in reply to: #3347283 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: shmeeg's Winter Madness Mentor group - OPEN TO HIPPIES brick94513 - 2011-02-09 11:20 AM I would advise against it. I just posted that cross bike because I thought you were leaning more toward CCCX than XTERRA. Fack, more money to spend . Looks like we will have some nice weather for Saturday's ride. High of 80! I was hoping we wouldn't have to bundle up. I'm thinking knee warmers, toe covers, couple layers up top and some gloves should be just about right if it's chilly at the start. |
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