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2012-06-01 8:43 AM
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MUL98 - 2012-05-31 4:35 PM I'm headed out to Madison to ride the loop a few times this weekend, can anyone suggest a good place to park, get the bike off the rack ect...? I'm avoiding the stick, so I assume somewhere in Verona, just not sure where.

 

Ill be out there early Saturday morning too. Gonna shoot for two loops. You can park on the street across from SBR coaching. It is right on the loop.

 

In Verona, sry.



Thanks - I'm hitting two loops as well. Sunday though.


2012-06-01 10:31 AM
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May totals:

Running: 16:00 hrs, 108 miles

Cycling: 24:46 hrs, 453 miles

Swimming: 10:08 hrs, 16.8 miles

Yoga/core: 50 min

2012-06-01 3:18 PM
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I park at the military ridge trail head on old Pb.  It's closer to Madison off of 151 and gives you a little warmup going through Verona before hitting any hills. 
2012-06-06 8:54 PM
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Daffodil - 2012-06-01 6:29 AM

okay, another course question for the locals or the ones that have raced before.  Is the decent on Garfoot road closed to vehicle traffic?  I was riding the course last night on the computrainer (real course video) and notice that a lot of riders were taking the shortest route around the corner (i.e., riding on the wrong side of the road  - there was no yellow line, so I supposed technically they weren't breaking that rule). 

I think I would feel a little better about that decent if there were no cars/trucks on it.  it looks kind of scary!

Even if there is no yellow line, you can't ride to the left. 

Garfoot is fun, not scary. I didn't see a car there in 2009 or 2011. I didn't see a bike marshall there, either.  The decent on Timber Lane is steeper (>40mph) and with the left turn at the bottom there are more crashes there.

 

2012-06-06 9:12 PM
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Daffodil - 2012-06-01 6:29 AM

okay, another course question for the locals or the ones that have raced before.  Is the decent on Garfoot road closed to vehicle traffic?  I was riding the course last night on the computrainer (real course video) and notice that a lot of riders were taking the shortest route around the corner (i.e., riding on the wrong side of the road  - there was no yellow line, so I supposed technically they weren't breaking that rule). 

I think I would feel a little better about that decent if there were no cars/trucks on it.  it looks kind of scary!

Even if there is no yellow line, you can't ride to the left. 

Garfoot is fun, not scary. I didn't see a car there in 2009 or 2011. I didn't see a bike marshall there, either.  The decent on Timber Lane is steeper (>40mph) and with the left turn at the bottom there are more crashes there.

 

 

I crashed there this weekend.  I normally don't slow down for the turn but this time there was too much gravel to make the turn at full speed but I didn't see it until it was too late.

2012-06-07 8:01 AM
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Very sorry to read of your crash -- hope it wasn't too serious?

I've seen riders down in both of those turns (Timber and Garfoot), so need to be careful.  Especially if you aren't familiar with them.



2012-06-07 9:36 AM
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Stupid question: Does everyone stay in aero turning on Garfoot? I want to but I get scared as s#it and ride my breaks like a pansey. I don't want to lose my momentum but I also don't want to fall. I just feel very unbalanced turning that fast in aero... I don't feel half as scared on the hill that is on Timber.
2012-06-07 10:09 AM
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bigpaps - 2012-06-07 9:36 AM Stupid question: Does everyone stay in aero turning on Garfoot? I want to but I get scared as s#it and ride my breaks like a pansey. I don't want to lose my momentum but I also don't want to fall. I just feel very unbalanced turning that fast in aero... I don't feel half as scared on the hill that is on Timber.

I'd say do what makes you feel safest.  You'll lose even more momentum if you bail into the ditch. 

 

2012-06-07 10:39 AM
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bigpaps - 2012-06-07 10:36 AM Stupid question: Does everyone stay in aero turning on Garfoot? I want to but I get scared as s#it and ride my breaks like a pansey. I don't want to lose my momentum but I also don't want to fall. I just feel very unbalanced turning that fast in aero... I don't feel half as scared on the hill that is on Timber.

Can be done, but I don't.  I take both of those descents cautiously.  For one thing, on Garfoot you never know what might be coming up on the other side of the road (unlikely, but not impossible).

My approach to racing is to (try to) never ride so that I wonder if I'm out-of-control or not.  That approach probably costs me a minute or two on IMWI course, but at the end of the day, safety is most important to me (knock wood!).  IMO, the paychecks are too small to ride any other way.

2012-06-07 10:55 AM
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wiky - 2012-06-07 8:01 AM

Very sorry to read of your crash -- hope it wasn't too serious?

I've seen riders down in both of those turns (Timber and Garfoot), so need to be careful.  Especially if you aren't familiar with them.

 

 

Crash is probably an overstatement.  It was more of a pick a soft spot to lay it down event.  I did, however, slide a good 20-30 feet.  I had to go back out last night to find a water bottle I lost so I paced off the slide marks.  No damage other than my pride but to say I got lucky would be an understatement.  

I would not recommend taking Garfoot in the aero position.  I was on the horns when I saw the gravel and still did not have time to slow down enough to make the turn.  

2012-06-07 11:24 AM
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melle - 2012-06-07 11:55 AM

Crash is probably an overstatement.  It was more of a pick a soft spot to lay it down event.  I did, however, slide a good 20-30 feet.  I had to go back out last night to find a water bottle I lost so I paced off the slide marks.  No damage other than my pride but to say I got lucky would be an understatement.  

Glad to hear it.  One good thing about pride is it usually recovers quickly.



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BTW, FTR, I crashed/tipped-over at a 4-way stop in my neighborhood last week.  Three cars and a pedestrian were there, stopped, to witness.  Fortunately I managed to avoid an injury, and I only knew one of the people watching...
2012-06-10 9:23 PM
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What should I expect of Madison?

I'm staying 9 miles West of the race site (Middleton).  Is public transportation easy and reliable in Madison?  I'm wondering if I need to plan for a rental car.

What about restaurants, places to hang out and relax by the race site? Hoe's Middleton?

Thanks for any feedback I could get on this !

 

2012-06-11 5:56 AM
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tommyalberto - 2012-06-10 9:23 PM

What should I expect of Madison?

I'm staying 9 miles West of the race site (Middleton).  Is public transportation easy and reliable in Madison?  I'm wondering if I need to plan for a rental car.

What about restaurants, places to hang out and relax by the race site? Hoe's Middleton?

Thanks for any feedback I could get on this !

 

While public transportation is pretty good if you're willing to take the bus, I recommend renting a car since you'll be back and forth to Monona Terrace several times before the race.  Unless you've sent your bike via a service, you'll also need to get it to check in and the car would make it the easiest.

You have a great Italian restaurant close to you for your carbload-Vin Santo is in Middleton and on opentable.com.   It's small so you will want to make a reservation ahead of time.

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tommyalberto - 2012-06-10 9:23 PM

What should I expect of Madison?

I'm staying 9 miles West of the race site (Middleton).  Is public transportation easy and reliable in Madison?  I'm wondering if I need to plan for a rental car.

What about restaurants, places to hang out and relax by the race site? Hoe's Middleton?

Thanks for any feedback I could get on this !

 

 

A decent place close the Monona Terrace is Paisan's.  If you like unhealthy salads Paisans has a porta salad that will provide enough calories to cover two days, it's truly amazing.  It's about a block south of the race site and there is outside seating that overlooks part of the swim course and Monona Terrace.  There is/should be a farmers market in the capital square (1 block form Monona Terrace) Friday and Saturday as well.

Most of the hotels in Middleton are in a business park/ retail area.  There are several good chain restaurants in that area all of which should be within walking distance, depending on which hotel you are in.  If you get in on Thursday night and like banana cream pie I highly recommend finding a diner called Three Sisters Inn on Parmenter St in Middleton.  I'm pretty sure Three Sisters is closed on the weekends.

On the opposite side of the capital square (1/2 mile from race site) is State Street.  This is a pedestrian (mostly) only street with a variety of restaurants, bars and retail shops.  If you go down there Saturday night it is very entertaining, the far end is attached to the University of Wisconsin.

2012-06-11 11:20 AM
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I rode the loop twice on Sat.   It looks like somebody swept the turn at the bottom of Timber, all the gravel was off to the shoulder and not in the middle of the road.  Two weekends ago I almost took out a deer on Garfoot going down the hill with the S curve. 

FYI...they are chip sealing County S this week going out of Mt. Horeb. 



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Does anybody have a realistically accurate idea of total elevation gain, and also the gradient of the longer climbs?  I see all sorts of (inconsistent) info on the web.  (I'm trying to map out some sort of training ride that is similar, if I can, as riding the course is not an option for me.)
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According to Garmin Connect one loop (no stick) is 2204 ft of gain.  According to my 310xt and Garmin Training Center software there is just over 1400 ft of gain per loop.  I believe the Connect number is more accurate, mostly because it feels like more than 1400 ft of gain.  I do have "elevation correction" enabled in Garmin Connect.
2012-06-11 12:14 PM
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Experior - 2012-06-11 12:28 PM Does anybody have a realistically accurate idea of total elevation gain, and also the gradient of the longer climbs?  I see all sorts of (inconsistent) info on the web.  (I'm trying to map out some sort of training ride that is similar, if I can, as riding the course is not an option for me.)

My Joule 2.0 altimeter puts climbing at around 6.5k total for the course.  Have gotten similar data for a single loop of the course retracked on BT.  But who knows if either is really accurate.

But, you've done Louisvile.  So probably more useful is to say that IMWI is very similar to Louisvile.  Train like you're getting ready for Louisville's bike course and you'll be all set.  Biggest differences are that IMWI has a couple technical descents where you need to back off a little (at least pre-drive if you can't pre-ride), and the road surfaces are slower at IMWI.

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Anyone else taking part in Team Evotri's WIBA weekend June 22-24? I'm staying at America's Best Value Inn (3438 Hwy 12-18, Madison) and my brother from Chicago recently backed out so I have room for another. I have a double room and if anyone's interested I'd cut a sweet deal. I'm driving in from the Minneapolis area on Friday 6/22 in the afternoon. 

Here's the link for the weekends itinerary: http://www.wisconsinbrickadventure.com/

2012-06-13 8:23 AM
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Experior - 2012-06-11 11:28 AM Does anybody have a realistically accurate idea of total elevation gain, and also the gradient of the longer climbs?  I see all sorts of (inconsistent) info on the web.  (I'm trying to map out some sort of training ride that is similar, if I can, as riding the course is not an option for me.)

 

Total elevation gain is listed at 2,890 on the Ironman website (http://ironmanwisconsin.com/files/2010/09/Wisconsin_BikeElevation_2012.pdf).



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Just wanted to pop in and let everyone know they are putting fresh gravel on S today. It's one of the nicer roads on the course so I don't quite understand that one.   I was able to get down it by riding in the car tire tracks, but it put me in the middle of the lane.  I assume it will be a-ok by the weekend.
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Jeffrey: 

I'm planning on doing the WIBA weekend also, well at least the swim and the bike.  After that, I may end up at the bar too long to do the run on Sunday.  There are 2-3 of us coming up for the weekend and we are staying at the University Inn.

Are you planning on doing the entire swim and bike??  I think we are going to swim as much as they will allow and bike most of the course if possible.  Then depending on how we feel on Sunday will depend if we stick around for the run.  We are coming up from Omaha / Des Moines.

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harleyclone - 2012-06-13 2:58 PM

Jeffrey: 

I'm planning on doing the WIBA weekend also, well at least the swim and the bike.  After that, I may end up at the bar too long to do the run on Sunday.  There are 2-3 of us coming up for the weekend and we are staying at the University Inn.

Are you planning on doing the entire swim and bike??  I think we are going to swim as much as they will allow and bike most of the course if possible.  Then depending on how we feel on Sunday will depend if we stick around for the run.  We are coming up from Omaha / Des Moines.

I plan on doing the swim and bike on Saturday. Then Sunday I plan on doing the run, but plans can always change. I'll then need to do some recon for IM weekend and get the "lay of the land". I'll have the wife and kids on IM weekend so I'll need to be able to point them in the right direction; good spots to watch relative to our hotel (Campus Inn).

See you at Gino's!  

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wiky - 2012-06-11 1:14 PM

Experior - 2012-06-11 12:28 PM Does anybody have a realistically accurate idea of total elevation gain, and also the gradient of the longer climbs?  I see all sorts of (inconsistent) info on the web.  (I'm trying to map out some sort of training ride that is similar, if I can, as riding the course is not an option for me.)

My Joule 2.0 altimeter puts climbing at around 6.5k total for the course.  Have gotten similar data for a single loop of the course retracked on BT.  But who knows if either is really accurate.

But, you've done Louisvile.  So probably more useful is to say that IMWI is very similar to Louisvile.  Train like you're getting ready for Louisville's bike course and you'll be all set.  Biggest differences are that IMWI has a couple technical descents where you need to back off a little (at least pre-drive if you can't pre-ride), and the road surfaces are slower at IMWI.

Thanks Rob.  I will pre-drive.  Pre-ride isn't really possible.

I've seen loads of wildly different estimates of the elevation gain.  Good to hear from someone who has on-the-ground intel.

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