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 2006-11-08 1:02 PM in reply to: #593070 |
Runner |  Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOPThe Mac - 2006-11-08 1:50 PM I would suggest that those who call themselves Republican and who support this President and his administration ask themselves why all the issues above (highlighted in red) have not been dealt with and required the American people to put people in place who are willing to fix it. Just a thought....
The world has changed. Amnesty to who? There is evidence that global warming is overstated, I made a thread on this. Go read it. There are troops home. How many do you want? What's YOUR plan to remove them? What's the Dem plan to bring them home? Gov't won't find alternative fuels. Private industry will. That requires the auto makers, the insurance companies, the fuel companies, and the parts manufacturers to all get on board too. Our government spends more on healthcare than most other nations. How much more do you want? And how are you going to fund it? Minimum raise hikes are already in effect, but they are in a staged implementation. We do tax the rich. We also tax the poor and middle class. Are you asking for a socialist redistribution of wealth? If so, what are your plans to provide incentives to work hard and get ahead, vs. doing the bare minimum needed, but still getting to live well? How is talking with NK going to change that situation? There hasn't been peace in the ME since the dawn of man. What makes you think it's gonna happen now? As for the last one, seems to me most people have faith in the system, but not the people. That's a totally different issue. |
| 2006-11-08 1:07 PM in reply to: #593095 |
Pro  3673      MAC-opolis | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Scout7 - 2006-11-08 2:02 PM The Mac - 2006-11-08 1:50 PM The world has changed. Amnesty to who? There is evidence that global warming is overstated, I made a thread on this. Go read it. There are troops home. How many do you want? What's YOUR plan to remove them? What's the Dem plan to bring them home? Gov't won't find alternative fuels. Private industry will. That requires the auto makers, the insurance companies, the fuel companies, and the parts manufacturers to all get on board too. Our government spends more on healthcare than most other nations. How much more do you want? And how are you going to fund it? Minimum raise hikes are already in effect, but they are in a staged implementation. We do tax the rich. We also tax the poor and middle class. Are you asking for a socialist redistribution of wealth? If so, what are your plans to provide incentives to work hard and get ahead, vs. doing the bare minimum needed, but still getting to live well? How is talking with NK going to change that situation? There hasn't been peace in the ME since the dawn of man. What makes you think it's gonna happen now? As for the last one, seems to me most people have faith in the system, but not the people. That's a totally different issue. I would suggest that those who call themselves Republican and who support this President and his administration ask themselves why all the issues above (highlighted in red) have not been dealt with and required the American people to put people in place who are willing to fix it. Just a thought....
Scout in '08!
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| 2006-11-08 1:08 PM in reply to: #592446 |
molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP yea, i'm doing the happy dance today. and even though 'you think you've got problems, we've got pawlenty' won, it was only with 47%. dfl cadidate had 46%, and the independant had 7%, so the majority wanted him out of office. |
| 2006-11-08 1:10 PM in reply to: #593095 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Scout7 - 2006-11-08 1:02 PM The Mac - 2006-11-08 1:50 PM The world has changed. Amnesty to who? There is evidence that global warming is overstated, I made a thread on this. Go read it. There are troops home. How many do you want? What's YOUR plan to remove them? What's the Dem plan to bring them home? Gov't won't find alternative fuels. Private industry will. That requires the auto makers, the insurance companies, the fuel companies, and the parts manufacturers to all get on board too. Our government spends more on healthcare than most other nations. How much more do you want? And how are you going to fund it? Minimum raise hikes are already in effect, but they are in a staged implementation. We do tax the rich. We also tax the poor and middle class. Are you asking for a socialist redistribution of wealth? If so, what are your plans to provide incentives to work hard and get ahead, vs. doing the bare minimum needed, but still getting to live well? How is talking with NK going to change that situation? There hasn't been peace in the ME since the dawn of man. What makes you think it's gonna happen now? As for the last one, seems to me most people have faith in the system, but not the people. That's a totally different issue. I would suggest that those who call themselves Republican and who support this President and his administration ask themselves why all the issues above (highlighted in red) have not been dealt with and required the American people to put people in place who are willing to fix it. Just a thought....
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| 2006-11-08 1:10 PM in reply to: #592825 |
molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Bcozican - 2006-11-08 10:27 AM The US really needs a third party - voting on Bi-partisan lines is counter productive - here in CO there was no good choice so most voted against the incumbant...to continue to implement policy only to have it reversed should the other party sieze power means no progress is made. while i agree, it can end up spliting the vote so you end up with a dud. our gov race is a good example. 53% wanted our R gov out of office, but since that was split between dfl and independant (who had similar platforms), the R is back for another term. |
| 2006-11-08 1:11 PM in reply to: #593107 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP The Mac - 2006-11-08 2:07 PM Scout in '08!
I'm forming my own party, though. It's called the Realist party. No more ideological crap. Let's face facts, buckle down, make the tough decisions and stick to them. This country was founded and freedom and mutual respect, let's get back to restoring that here at home. In terms of abroad, I was always a fan of the "walk softly, and carry a large caliber machine gun with about 6 more well-armed people behind you to back you up" approach. Who's with me? |
| 2006-11-08 1:19 PM in reply to: #593119 |
| Extreme Veteran 488 NY | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Scout7 - 2006-11-08 2:11 PM The Mac - 2006-11-08 2:07 PM I'm forming my own party, though. It's called the Realist party. No more ideological crap. Let's face facts, buckle down, make the tough decisions and stick to them. This country was founded and freedom and mutual respect, let's get back to restoring that here at home. In terms of abroad, I was always a fan of the "walk softly, and carry a large caliber machine gun with about 6 more well-armed people behind you to back you up" approach. Who's with me?Scout in '08!
I'm with you. As a matter of fact, F abroad. Let;s focus on home. I just read France and Pakistan's comments about the elections and they make me sick. France who is going down the toilet financially and socially shouldn't even comment and maybe we should cut-off the billions of dollars and support for Pakistan since their citizens think we are the devil. |
| 2006-11-08 1:23 PM in reply to: #593095 |
Elite 2733 Venture Industries, | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Scout7 - 2006-11-08 2:02 PM The Mac - 2006-11-08 1:50 PM I would suggest that those who call themselves Republican and who support this President and his administration ask themselves why all the issues above (highlighted in red) have not been dealt with and required the American people to put people in place who are willing to fix it. Just a thought....
The world has changed. Amnesty to who? There is evidence that global warming is overstated, I made a thread on this. Go read it. There are troops home. How many do you want? What's YOUR plan to remove them? What's the Dem plan to bring them home? Gov't won't find alternative fuels. Private industry will. That requires the auto makers, the insurance companies, the fuel companies, and the parts manufacturers to all get on board too. Our government spends more on healthcare than most other nations. How much more do you want? And how are you going to fund it? Minimum raise hikes are already in effect, but they are in a staged implementation. We do tax the rich. We also tax the poor and middle class. Are you asking for a socialist redistribution of wealth? If so, what are your plans to provide incentives to work hard and get ahead, vs. doing the bare minimum needed, but still getting to live well? How is talking with NK going to change that situation? There hasn't been peace in the ME since the dawn of man. What makes you think it's gonna happen now? As for the last one, seems to me most people have faith in the system, but not the people. That's a totally different issue. I think this shows that the Dems. finally ran smart campaigns. They stayed away form the "Vote for us we're not Bush" rhetoric that failed so miserably in the last presidential election, and stressed those issues that The Mac listed without actually putting forth any concrete ideas or solutions. While it's typical politics in that all you have to do is identify the problems and say you're going to fix them without saying how, you have to admitt it was pretty smart...short term. Now they are faced with actually following through. The interesting thing will be to see if this 6th year of a two term president win fall for the Dems, will carry over to the next presidential election. Obviously a lot will have to do with the candidates. hey I voted for a Dem. (I couldn't in good conscious vote for Katherine Harris) I'm concerned with the country if the Dems can get it done, and follow through with their campaign issues great. |
| 2006-11-08 1:23 PM in reply to: #592446 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP what did the two countries say? |
| 2006-11-08 1:28 PM in reply to: #593149 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP ASA22 - 2006-11-08 2:23 PM I think this shows that the Dems. finally ran smart campaigns. They stayed away form the "Vote for us we're not Bush" rhetoric that failed so miserably in the last presidential election, and stressed those issues that The Mac listed without actually putting forth any concrete ideas or solutions. You obviously never saw the ads coming from PA and NJ candidates. Not one Democratic candidate had an ad that talked about what they would do. They ALL mentioned Bush in some way, most often stressing the other candidate's voting record with Bush, or statements supporting Bush. You are right though, I saw very little in the way of solutions. |
| 2006-11-08 1:47 PM in reply to: #593162 |
Pro 3673 MAC-opolis | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Scout7 - 2006-11-08 2:28 PM ASA22 - 2006-11-08 2:23 PM I think this shows that the Dems. finally ran smart campaigns. They stayed away form the "Vote for us we're not Bush" rhetoric that failed so miserably in the last presidential election, and stressed those issues that The Mac listed without actually putting forth any concrete ideas or solutions. You obviously never saw the ads coming from PA and NJ candidates. Not one Democratic candidate had an ad that talked about what they would do. They ALL mentioned Bush in some way, most often stressing the other candidate's voting record with Bush, or statements supporting Bush. You are right though, I saw very little in the way of solutions.I agree. I think politicians play on visceral responses from the public and do so by the nasty smear ads (on both sides). In some cases, such as Tennessee, it worked. Ford Jr. had the lead until the "call me" racial ads.
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| 2006-11-08 1:47 PM in reply to: #593119 |
Pro 3673 MAC-opolis | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Scout7 - 2006-11-08 2:11 PM The Mac - 2006-11-08 2:07 PM I'm forming my own party, though. It's called the Realist party. No more ideological crap. Let's face facts, buckle down, make the tough decisions and stick to them. This country was founded and freedom and mutual respect, let's get back to restoring that here at home. In terms of abroad, I was always a fan of the "walk softly, and carry a large caliber machine gun with about 6 more well-armed people behind you to back you up" approach. Who's with me?Scout in '08!
I'm in. But I'm a pacifist so I'll carry a tazer.
Edited by The Mac 2006-11-08 1:48 PM |
| 2006-11-08 1:54 PM in reply to: #593212 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP The Mac - 2006-11-08 2:47 PM Scout7 - 2006-11-08 2:11 PM The Mac - 2006-11-08 2:07 PM I'm forming my own party, though. It's called the Realist party. No more ideological crap. Let's face facts, buckle down, make the tough decisions and stick to them. This country was founded and freedom and mutual respect, let's get back to restoring that here at home. In terms of abroad, I was always a fan of the "walk softly, and carry a large caliber machine gun with about 6 more well-armed people behind you to back you up" approach. Who's with me?Scout in '08!
I'm in. But I'm a pacifist so I'll carry a tazer.
Wanna be a medic? We need them too, you know. Plus, sometimes a show of force is more effective than the use of force. And we can always use nonlethal means, if necessary. I'm all about the most effective tool for the job at hand. Don't use a hammer when all you got is screws. |
| 2006-11-08 1:56 PM in reply to: #593211 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP The Mac - 2006-11-08 1:47 PM Scout7 - 2006-11-08 2:28 PM ASA22 - 2006-11-08 2:23 PM I think this shows that the Dems. finally ran smart campaigns. They stayed away form the "Vote for us we're not Bush" rhetoric that failed so miserably in the last presidential election, and stressed those issues that The Mac listed without actually putting forth any concrete ideas or solutions. You obviously never saw the ads coming from PA and NJ candidates. Not one Democratic candidate had an ad that talked about what they would do. They ALL mentioned Bush in some way, most often stressing the other candidate's voting record with Bush, or statements supporting Bush. You are right though, I saw very little in the way of solutions.I agree. I think politicians play on visceral responses from the public and do so by the nasty smear ads (on both sides). In some cases, such as Tennessee, it worked. Ford Jr. had the lead until the "call me" racial ads.
Actually Mac, Ford JR lost for two reasons... Second, he crashed one of Corkers press conferences in Memphis and Ford looked like a fool. The majority of Tennesseans thought the playboy commercial was funny not racist in anyway... The rest of the US made it out to be that...
Ford lost because he claimed to be something he wasnt |
| 2006-11-08 11:07 PM in reply to: #592446 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Well democrats control congress but the president is still republican so its balance no one has power so the beauty of the country can fianlly come together. both sides balancing each other out hopely each bringing there own strengths to make this country strong. The one thing I wish I could see from politics is an example from teh tri world. If somoene is in your a/g and they train hard you have to train harder to beat them and not spike there gatarade in order to win. I wish people would take someone's good idea run with them and try to out do them rather then try to defeat there act and then run them into the ground. Too bad its far easy to hurt your oponant than to out race him. I do agree with accountability. Lets face it if the police will not police themselves then what good are they? |
| 2006-11-09 12:32 AM in reply to: #593095 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP Scout7 - 2006-11-08 12:02 PM Our government spends more on healthcare than most other nations. How much more do you want? But it doesn't seem to be doing any good... "Another reason some countries achieve high life expectancy with low health spending is that clean drinking water and preventive health care can be provided with little spending. If there is near universal clean water and preventive care, life expectancy rates can be high. In the US, however, nearly 40 million Americans lack basic health insurance, and are therefore less likely to receive preventive care. In contrast, Cuba has universal health care and one of the highest doctor-to-patient ratios in the world (See Physicians). Although Cuba has limited resources and many economic problems, it has made health care a priority. It is not alone. Sri Lanka, China and the Indian State of Kerala are considered "low-income, high well-being" countries, which have adopted policies that not only reduce inequality but also increase overall health and well-being" Source:http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php Edited by AdventureBear 2006-11-09 12:35 AM (cost_longlife75.gif) Attachments ---------------- cost_longlife75.gif (36KB - 2 downloads) |
| 2006-11-09 6:52 AM in reply to: #593889 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP See, that right there is the problem. People seem to feel that universal healthcare is some cure-all for medical issues. It's not. What we really need is more of a culture shift towards preventive medicine. If people were driven to take care of themselves quicker, the care would be less costly. I recognize that for low income families or th uninsured this is not as great an option. However, this issue runs through all segments of American society, not just one end of the spectrum. The fact is, in this country, even those with good insurance do little to live a healthier lifestyle, or take any sort of interest in keeping themselves out of the hospital. If the problem only existed in the lower income sector, I would be much more willing to look at some way to provide them with care. But it doesn't. So, even by providing universal healthcare, the goals that people seem to want are still not being met. |
| 2006-11-09 7:34 AM in reply to: #593149 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Bye-bye GOP ASA22 I think this shows that the Dems. finally ran smart campaigns. They stayed away form the "Vote for us we're not Bush" rhetoric that failed so miserably in the last presidential election, and stressed those issues that The Mac listed without actually putting forth any concrete ideas or solutions. Did you follow any of the DEM primary campaign in CT??? Lamont's campaign was almost TOTALLY a campaign to vote against Lieberman because he's with the the President on the war issue (i.e. "Vote for us we're not Bush"). The DEMS kicked out of their party one of the most level-headed people in Washington on the basis of one issue. Yes, it's an important issue, but Lieberman probably disagrees with Bush on 99% of all other issues. I think it was hilarious that Lieberman beat Lamont in the general election. |
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