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banning free speech has nothing to do with free speech?  um...

Those were state examples I cited, but illegals are also voting in federal elections in quiet substantial numbers and the Democratic Party doesn't have a problem with it for some strange reason.  ;-)

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

you do realize we had to change the constitution (the 13th amendment) to end slavery right? amendments to the constitution are necessary when things change from when it was written.  Like you know, have muskets to having AR-15's.

The 2nd amendment was not put in place to protect people who like to shoot AR-15's at the range.  It was not put in place to protect people who like to hunt. It was put in place so that the people could protect themselves from tyranny.  I practice at the range, as every responsible gun owner should IMO.  But, the honest truth is, I don't keep AR-15's because I like to shoot them, I keep them because they are easy to maintain and build, and they are superb killing machines in the right hands. I have guns for hunting, for target shooting, and for collecting.  I have AR-15's in case I need to kill people to protect myself or my family.  I hope with all of my being that it never happens.

Oyster - I disagree that it's only the "bomb throwers" who want the 2nd amendment repealed.  Go back and read dmiller's post.  The only reason to say that the constitution has been changed before is to make the point that it can be changed again.  There can be no doubt that there is a movement in this country to change, if not re-write altogether, the constitution.  If you don't think so I can give you some folks to follow on social media in a PM.  (dmiller is not one of them   I have met Dave and he's a good man.  I think he's misguided on this issue, but we don't have to agree)

I'm not a conspiracy guy.....I don't have to be.....I have guns.  Nobody is changing the Constitution.  It's the reason for the 2nd amendment.

I guess I'm ok with that as long as we enact laws that are inline with the majority of states.  ;-)

Yeah, good thing that never caught on.....what else you got?  How about we just follow our laws and constitution and not cherry pick quotes to fit our opinion as needed. To me, that's part of the problem.......you should post that on twitter somewhere and watch the wings it gets......that could end up being the best laugh of my day.  

What the heck, I'll play too..........

Let's use this from your boy Jefferson -"On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed. —Thomas Jefferson"

Or how about this from Madison -  "The important distinction so well understood in America, between a Constitution established by the people and unalterable by the government, and a law established by the government and alterable by the government, seems to have been little understood and less observed in any other country. — James Madison"

Wait, there's this from Washington (let me know when you want me to stop) - "The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. But the Constitution, which at any time exists, ‘till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. … If in the opinion of the people the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this in one instance may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. — George Washington"

I am a direct descendant of people who fled their country because they had no way to defend themselves from a govt. that had become tyrannical.  They found freedom here and built a family.  We're not leaving if it happens here.  That's why they came.

Here's another, on this fine "quote day" ..........It's from Kitty Werthmann.  If you don't know who she is, look it up.

“Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

“No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

“Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”

“This is my eye-witness account.

“It’s true. Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

“America is truly is the greatest country in the world.

“Don’t let freedom slip away.

“After America, there is no place to go.”

To be clear, I don't "cling" to my guns or religion.  I just have them in case you think you can just take my or my family's freedom.  I hope they never fire a shot in anger.......so should anyone who thinks they can take them.

I have posted before that I have never even considered joining the NRA......I'm now reconsidering that for the first time.  I'll likely at least send them a check. 

I truly believe that those who want to take away gun ownership aren't bad people, they just feel our planet has progressed far enough along that they're no longer required.  People aren't invading countries to kill all their people anymore and governments are for the most part civil.  It is a valid argument, but the part people don't realize is that the reason all these things are progressing is because of people with guns.  The US and our allies have created this stability by the use of a very heavy hand that involved the killing of hundreds of thousands of people (if not millions).  As the US and our allies have gotten weaker and less likely to intervene the world has gotten more dangerous because the fear of the heavy hand has subsided.
Rest assured if the US dismantled our military and turned in our guns we would be invaded in no time because evil still exists and power corrupts.  We as citizens don't have guns to hunt with, we have guns to ensure that our government doesn't get any bright ideas.  Sure, we don't have nukes, but a well regulated militia can take down the largest military in the world.  (cough, vietnam)
The other cool part is that the majority of the military is very patriotic and would likely be fighting on the side of the people if they were ever ordered to do large scale bad stuff against US citizens.  It's not tinfoil hat stuff, it's the reality of history.  If you deny history and want to believe everyone will just be good if we disarm then a person is welcome to believe that, but it doesn't change reality.

In all seriousness we kind of do vote by the acreage in the Senate.  Each state gets two representatives and states like NY and CA are massively under-represented in the Senate from a population standpoint.

Then you have states like Vermont and Wyoming that barely have 500k people total that get 2 senators.

I know there's arguments for keeping it that way and doing away with it, but it is interesting none the less.

How come the election maps from the left are always manipulated in some way?  It's a map, the shape doesn't change.....every state is not completely blue or red.  That cartoon map you posted is kind of silly.

Ah, yes, the big metropolitan sewers where most of the people live, most of the crime is, and most of the despair is.......let's let them run the country, that should work out well.  LMAO

I'm grateful for the electoral college, the founders got that right too. 

And yes, to me your map is silliest in terms of perception.......and leaves out every citizen who voted for the other party in your red/blue states.......Tony's map does not.  I like that better.

I do enjoy the sociology of political leanings.  Obviously the heavier urban areas tend to vote more Democratic because the entire way of life in a big system is a reliance on "the matrix".  Basically the government keeps everything running and we just live our lives within the system.  More rural areas tend to be a lot more self reliant and less reliant on "the matrix" to keep everything running.  If we lose power in my neighborhood, it's a minor inconvenience but really not a big deal.  If a neighborhood in NYC loses power it's a really big deal.

It's not to say one geographical area is more right or more wrong than the other, we're just different and live in different worlds really so of course our thoughts on the governments role will be different.