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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mck35 - 2009-04-14 11:45 AM David, hope you had a good weekend! I think i will definitely try the 3x a week program. Its not a question of time, because I want to make the time. I dont want being busy to be an excuse, even if it means getting up at 5 in the morning. Plus, last month I ran 3 x a week for th emonth to train for an 8k run, and I noticed a ton of improvement. I want to keep that up. Same thing with the swimming I'm doing now. Heart rate training: I have a heart rate monitor, and ive tried using it for biking and running. But i just think its limiting, since I dont really know my "zones" and i felt like i had to slow down soo much that I wasnt getting anything out of it. Especially running. But that was at the beginning of the year, when i could barely run 2 or 3 miles without dying. Is there a test or anything like that I could do? Goals: 1. Do a century ride. 2. 1:35 in the Batavia Triathlon 3. Under 3 hours in the Chicago Triathlon. I had the same problems with heart rate monitors. I just wanted to run, and the thing kept beeping at me and telling me to slow down. But once I figured out the zones, and pacing, and started to see the real benefits of hard days and easy days, I became hooked. Follow this link for a great thread on HR training. On page 1, you'll see how to determine your max heart rate: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25733&start=1 And this one for determining your heart rate zones: http://www.d3multisport.com/articles/beinginthezone.html If the links don't work, search the forums here for this title: "HR Zones: 220-Age - the TRUTH!" Good goals. And I see we now have 2 members gearing up for Chicago this summer. Awesome! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() krystyna47 - 2009-04-14 12:14 PM My goals for the season include: (1) Completing the HIM in July (2) Doing several (at least 2) solo open water swims at my cottage, maybe 2000-3000m each, before the HIM (3) I'm going away to Peru for 5 weeks the day after I do the HIM. I return Aug 14th, and I want to return to top form in time to complete the HIM in my hometown on Sept 12th. I also want to get my left knee in decent shape so that it doesn't hurt on long-distance runs, but that isn't up to me. I also don't want to overstress any tendons or ligaments because it's the only left knee I've got. Obviously, please be careful on your solo swims. Are you sure there isn't anyone nearby who can join you? Not even in a kayak just to keep an eye on you? Great goals. Think of me when you visit Machu Picchu. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Christen99 - 2009-04-14 9:13 PM Name: Christen Story: I'm a 37 year old mom of two boys, Tyler is 9 (almost 10) and Hunter just turned 5 last week. I've never been super athletic, but I was playing softball 4 nights a week on 5 teams when I got pregnant with my oldest (I played until I was 13 weeks pregnant). I'm competitive though, and I really enjoyed the competitive outlet of playing a sport. I did have horrible shin splints from playing in the outfield, all the running and stopping was horrible and tournaments where I was playing 5-7 games a day didn't help. I never went back to playing after my son was born because I spent 20 weeks on bedrest, and he had quite a few medical issues when he was born. Thankfully he's a very healthy, and incredibly intelligent kid! Direction? So far, I'm completely clueless as to what direction my training should go. My goal is just to finish the triathlon, although true to my competitive nature I'd love to beat my friend's time. I feel like I can bike for days, but I have no running endurance which totally baffles me because I would have thought I would have some cardio fitness left over from spin. I'm waiting for my goggles to arrive and they should arrive tomorrow (I ordered a couple of pair of Swedes because I've never had luck with regular old goggles) so I can hop in the pool and start swimming. I love swimming, but it's been a long time for me so I'm not sure what to expect. If nothing else, at least I'm finding out how much work I have ahead of me and I can only get better. Ideally, I'd like to be working out 6 days a week. For this week and next I'm going to be working on single rotating events, and then after that I'll start bricking my workouts. Eventually I'll have to move it outside, but since I'm training mostly during the day I find that it's convenient to have the boys go to childcare at the gym. My husband is supportive, but I don't feel good about walking out the door the minute he gets home since family time is important as well. You're in, but your competitive nature is going to hate my first words of advice. So -- and knowing that you will probably ignore these words -- slow down! You can't afford to get hurt and burned out so early in the summer. And you have a lot of time between today and Fremont on June 7. If you're soaking in salts and popping ibuprofren now, your body is going to revolt in another month or so. Training takes time. You have to start out slow, even slower than you might feel necessary, to give your body time to build endurance. Don't rush into a brick workout, and don't ignore pain. After all, if triathlon was easy, everyone would do it. But enough of that. You have 7 weeks, which is a long time if you use it wisely. Have you picked a training plan? If not, see if there are any here that fit your schedule. Let us know which one you choose and tell us about your workouts. In addition, I'd attend the training clinlics for your race, which begin next week. Learn the course, get to know some other participants, and ask a ton of questions. And if I've done my math correctly, we've just picked your 3 goals: (1) the June 7 race; (2) start a training plan; and (3) attend a race clinic. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() krystyna47 - 2009-04-14 9:28 PM mck35 - 2009-04-14 12:22 PM I went through the same thing in college; I tore my right ACL, and spent the next three years wearing a knee brace for the tennis team. Its only recently gotten to the point where I can run long distances without pain, and that's only because I started very slowly with distance running. If i pushed at all too hard, it would hurt for a day. So you can definitely do it, just make sure you take it easy ![]() Ooooh, 3 years in a knee brace. I don't know how you did it! The minute I could get out of mine, I did. Here's a question for you: do you take Advil (ibuprofen) before, during, or after runs? It is mighty beneficial to me post-run, to ensure that my knee doesn't swell. I, however, have heard many long distance triathletes swearing by Advil to prevent inflammation of any and all joints. I worry, though, that by taking an Advil during a triathlon event, or even when just training, that I'd be masking pain that might be signalling to me that I should stop... What are your thoughts? Good question. I've never taken anything in shorter races, but I did pop a Motrin during my Ironman, as I knew my back would be aching at the end of the bike. If you know the difference between good pain and bad pain, you're probably okay. What's everyone else think? Edited by prof40 2009-04-15 4:37 AM |
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New user![]() ![]() | ![]() "A life without cable or satellite dish, and mornings spent squeezing into a Speedo? I'm impressed. You're in. You picked a challenge for your first race. And believe me, August will come quickly. Are you following a training plan? How many days are you working out? I looked at your logs and saw your swim frustration. Since goal 1 is to do Austin, maybe one of your other 2 should be to spend some time with a swim coach for a few lessons. I have a feeling you're doing all the right movements but your rhythm is off. And as in dancing, if you don't have rhythm, it's not a pretty sight. Next time you're at the pool, ask the guard if the Y offers adult lessons. I bet someone there is willing to spend time with you when you tell them you're training for a 1/2 Ironman." I actually have a sprint im doing May 31st (Kansas City Tri) and I am probably going to do some running events in between. I have been looking for a swim coach. I thought about getting a video that they advertise on here, but I didnt know if that would work out ot well. I had never "swam laps" before, I can swim just fine, just not right evidently. I had to learn how to breathe, and then once I do that I focus so much on it that I dont get my stroke right, then if I try and do drills ( I have been trying "thumb dragging on my side" and dragging my fingers in the water to help with my elbow position) then I end up forgetting to breathe.... feel kind of stupid swimming didnt seem that hard when I was a kid. I do beleive alot of my issues are conditioning, I am getting better fast in the run, and bike, but im frustrated about not getting along faster in the swim. BUT, I will get it. On a side note I got my biking pain/numbness firgured out with a new seat and a tweak in position and rode for 12 miles and walked a mile afterward with no issues. That made me pretty happy because I seem to enjoy the bike quite a bit, and it felt good to walk/jog after I got of the bike. As far as my goals go, I WILL. 1.enjoy/complete and 1 mile OWS this summer at the lake 2.RUN a half marathon in Sept with my wife 3.Complete Austin 70.3 Any help you have will be greatly appreciated. I will work on the coach thing. kris |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() prof40 - 2009-04-15 4:35 AM krystyna47 - 2009-04-14 9:28 PM mck35 - 2009-04-14 12:22 PM I went through the same thing in college; I tore my right ACL, and spent the next three years wearing a knee brace for the tennis team. Its only recently gotten to the point where I can run long distances without pain, and that's only because I started very slowly with distance running. If i pushed at all too hard, it would hurt for a day. So you can definitely do it, just make sure you take it easy ![]() Ooooh, 3 years in a knee brace. I don't know how you did it! The minute I could get out of mine, I did. Here's a question for you: do you take Advil (ibuprofen) before, during, or after runs? It is mighty beneficial to me post-run, to ensure that my knee doesn't swell. I, however, have heard many long distance triathletes swearing by Advil to prevent inflammation of any and all joints. I worry, though, that by taking an Advil during a triathlon event, or even when just training, that I'd be masking pain that might be signalling to me that I should stop... What are your thoughts? Good question. I've never taken anything in shorter races, but I did pop a Motrin during my Ironman, as I knew my back would be aching at the end of the bike. If you know the difference between good pain and bad pain, you're probably okay. What's everyone else think? I've had just about any injury you can think of, and there were days that I couldn't do anything sports wise without taking 2-4 aleve. I don't think there is anything wrong with taking ibuprofin or something like that if you know youll be sore, but try to ween yourself off it. Once you start taking it as a habit, you just have to take more. Plus, there are lots of athletes I know that swear it affects their performance. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kris09 - 2009-04-15 7:17 AM I have been looking for a swim coach. I thought about getting a video that they advertise on here, but I didnt know if that would work out ot well. I had never "swam laps" before, I can swim just fine, just not right evidently. I had to learn how to breathe, and then once I do that I focus so much on it that I dont get my stroke right, then if I try and do drills ( I have been trying "thumb dragging on my side" and dragging my fingers in the water to help with my elbow position) then I end up forgetting to breathe.... feel kind of stupid swimming didnt seem that hard when I was a kid. I do beleive alot of my issues are conditioning, I am getting better fast in the run, and bike, but im frustrated about not getting along faster in the swim. BUT, I will get it. That's a good attitude ![]() Edited by mck35 2009-04-15 8:53 AM |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() prof40 - 2009-04-15 4:00 AM I had the same problems with heart rate monitors. I just wanted to run, and the thing kept beeping at me and telling me to slow down. But once I figured out the zones, and pacing, and started to see the real benefits of hard days and easy days, I became hooked. Follow this link for a great thread on HR training. On page 1, you'll see how to determine your max heart rate: I don't think my heart rate monitor has a lap button. And I don't trust it to give me any accurate numbers over a time period like that. Its so windy here where I ride, that sometimes the monitor will just give me 0 to 280 randomly. Any monitors, not too expensive, you would recommend? |
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Member![]() ![]() | ![]() kris09 - 2009-04-15 7:17 AM I actually have a sprint im doing May 31st (Kansas City Tri) and I am probably going to do some running events in between. I have been looking for a swim coach. I thought about getting a video that they advertise on here, but I didnt know if that would work out ot well. I had never "swam laps" before, I can swim just fine, just not right evidently. I had to learn how to breathe, and then once I do that I focus so much on it that I dont get my stroke right, then if I try and do drills ( I have been trying "thumb dragging on my side" and dragging my fingers in the water to help with my elbow position) then I end up forgetting to breathe.... feel kind of stupid swimming didnt seem that hard when I was a kid. I do beleive alot of my issues are conditioning, I am getting better fast in the run, and bike, but im frustrated about not getting along faster in the swim. BUT, I will get it. I know there are a lot of people on this site who aren't fans of it, but I got started right away with Total Immersion thanks to a friend who is a Masters swimmer and it's been a big help for me. You can work on drills and stroke side by side if need be (I do drills to warm up, then swim). The book is fairly helpful and I have a vid on my computer at home I could email or burn and ship if you're interested. I know how frustrating it is to be in the pool and not go anywhere, but it just seems to take time and patience. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mck35 - 2009-04-15 9:59 AM prof40 - 2009-04-15 4:00 AM I had the same problems with heart rate monitors. I just wanted to run, and the thing kept beeping at me and telling me to slow down. But once I figured out the zones, and pacing, and started to see the real benefits of hard days and easy days, I became hooked. Follow this link for a great thread on HR training. On page 1, you'll see how to determine your max heart rate: I don't think my heart rate monitor has a lap button. And I don't trust it to give me any accurate numbers over a time period like that. Its so windy here where I ride, that sometimes the monitor will just give me 0 to 280 randomly. Any monitors, not too expensive, you would recommend? Good question. I spent about $100 on mine. It's a Timex Ironman HRM with 100-lap function. I love it. Picking a watch is a personal decision, as you're going to wear it every day. Some swear by Garmin, others by Polar. I'd read some gear reviews on this site and then start looking around at what's available at stores near you. You might want to take a look at this catalog, too: http://www.trisports.com/ It's a great company, and BT members get a discount on price and shipping. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() casaubon - 2009-04-15 10:39 AM kris09 - 2009-04-15 7:17 AM I actually have a sprint im doing May 31st (Kansas City Tri) and I am probably going to do some running events in between. I have been looking for a swim coach. I thought about getting a video that they advertise on here, but I didnt know if that would work out ot well. I had never "swam laps" before, I can swim just fine, just not right evidently. I had to learn how to breathe, and then once I do that I focus so much on it that I dont get my stroke right, then if I try and do drills ( I have been trying "thumb dragging on my side" and dragging my fingers in the water to help with my elbow position) then I end up forgetting to breathe.... feel kind of stupid swimming didnt seem that hard when I was a kid. I do beleive alot of my issues are conditioning, I am getting better fast in the run, and bike, but im frustrated about not getting along faster in the swim. BUT, I will get it. I know there are a lot of people on this site who aren't fans of it, but I got started right away with Total Immersion thanks to a friend who is a Masters swimmer and it's been a big help for me. You can work on drills and stroke side by side if need be (I do drills to warm up, then swim). The book is fairly helpful and I have a vid on my computer at home I could email or burn and ship if you're interested. I know how frustrating it is to be in the pool and not go anywhere, but it just seems to take time and patience. Great idea! A lot of folks swear by the TI method. It is definitely worth checking out. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() prof40 - 2009-04-15 5:06 AM Obviously, please be careful on your solo swims. Are you sure there isn't anyone nearby who can join you? Not even in a kayak just to keep an eye on you? Great goals. Think of me when you visit Machu Picchu. Oh no! Don't worry, I'll be getting relatives or friends to go kayaking or canoeing at the same time that I go swimming. I would never go swimming alone! ![]() |
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![]() | ![]() Hi David, Do you have room for one more? Name: Jerry Story: Started running around my 45th birthday last May, clocking in around 205 lbs (I'm 5'8") and barely able to get around the corner (out of sight of my wife) before stopping to walk. ![]() I thought swimming wouldn't be that hard, since I had dropped a few lbs and was doing long runs of 12 miles on the weekends. Also, I've surfed my whole life and have spent a lot of time in the water. Boy was I wrong. At the end of my first 25 yd "lap" (I later learned that was only half a lap) I thought I was gonna die! Literally. My heart was pounding in my chest so hard I probably looked like one of those old cartoon characters. Or Roger Rabbit or something... my first swim workout was 600 yards, 25 at a time! I've been biking a bit (a friend, the same IM guy, gave me one of his old bikes) but the mid-Atlantic weather has been really bad this winter so I haven't gotten many miles in. I have a training log here, but haven't entered anything on BT yet. I haven't actually done a tri yet, but signed up for the Nations Triathlon in September and hope to do a sprint next month. I've done a 5k, and 1/2 marathon, and a 10-miler so far this year. (If I'm in the group... I'll post my goals) Thanks, Jerry |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cunninghamjerry - 2009-04-15 4:02 PM Hi David, I thought swimming wouldn't be that hard, since I had dropped a few lbs and was doing long runs of 12 miles on the weekends. Also, I've surfed my whole life and have spent a lot of time in the water. Boy was I wrong. At the end of my first 25 yd "lap" (I later learned that was only half a lap) I thought I was gonna die! Literally. My heart was pounding in my chest so hard I probably looked like one of those old cartoon characters. Or Roger Rabbit or something... my first swim workout was 600 yards, 25 at a time! Ha, SO TRUE. I didn't realize how hard swimming was until I got in the water and tried to actually swim! My first time, 1yr and 2months ago, after over 8 yrs of not swimming (I stopped all the kiddy lessons at age 12), I felt exhausted after only 20 minutes. But, improvements come in swimming very quickly, I find. One day you're barely finishing 100m free swim non-stop, the next you can do it in under 1min30sec without breaking a sweat, so to speak! |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mck35 - 2009-04-15 7:52 PM So this is for everyone... I'm supposed to do 20 x 50 tomorrow as part of my swim. Does anyone have any tips for keeping track of what set I'm on? I'm worried I'm gonna keep forgetting and end up doing 30 sets or something. I'm not sure if you're doing the 20 sets continuous, but I always mentally stop (or physically, but not for more than 5-10 seconds) at every set of 5, and then begin counting anew. If you aren't too keen on that, I can also suggest making sentences in your head with the number of laps you've just completed in the sentence. (Yes, I am 5 yrs old!) Such as: 7, I just finished lap 7; there are 7 days in the week. 8, I just finished lap 8, some scientists think that everyone should drink 8 glasses of water a day. And so forth. They end up getting ridiculous like: 11, I just finished lap 11, thank god I don't have 11 toes. Hope that helps. |
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![]() | ![]() "mck35 - 2009-04-15 7:52 PM So this is for everyone... I'm supposed to do 20 x 50 tomorrow as part of my swim. Does anyone have any tips for keeping track of what set I'm on? I'm worried I'm gonna keep forgetting and end up doing 30 sets or something." I just keep repeating in my head what lap I'm on... but it gets confusing when I try to count other things at the same time (like my stroke count). Also... this is silly... but this is what I do sometimes. My pool has rows of tiles going away from the edge of the pool. I put something on the first row (my watch, a flip flop, etc) and I move it one tile for each interval I do. I go out to the tenth row and then work back towards the edge of the pool (that's 20). I try to do this nonchalant-ly so I don't look like a geek. Please don't tell anybody... :) They also make little clicker things that you can put on your finger like a ring. Jerry Edited by cunninghamjerry 2009-04-15 8:41 PM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cunninghamjerry - 2009-04-15 4:02 PM Hi David, Do you have room for one more? Name: Jerry Story: Started running around my 45th birthday last May, clocking in around 205 lbs (I'm 5'8") and barely able to get around the corner (out of sight of my wife) before stopping to walk. ![]() I thought swimming wouldn't be that hard, since I had dropped a few lbs and was doing long runs of 12 miles on the weekends. Also, I've surfed my whole life and have spent a lot of time in the water. Boy was I wrong. At the end of my first 25 yd "lap" (I later learned that was only half a lap) I thought I was gonna die! Literally. My heart was pounding in my chest so hard I probably looked like one of those old cartoon characters. Or Roger Rabbit or something... my first swim workout was 600 yards, 25 at a time! I've been biking a bit (a friend, the same IM guy, gave me one of his old bikes) but the mid-Atlantic weather has been really bad this winter so I haven't gotten many miles in. I have a training log here, but haven't entered anything on BT yet. I haven't actually done a tri yet, but signed up for the Nations Triathlon in September and hope to do a sprint next month. I've done a 5k, and 1/2 marathon, and a 10-miler so far this year. (If I'm in the group... I'll post my goals) Thanks, Jerry You're in. Old guys have to stick together. Start logging your workouts so the group can take a peek at what you're doing. And what a great race to do! I've looked at it for 2 years now, but September is just a tough month for me. The course looks great, and a weekend in Washington is always fun. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Good ideas on counting laps. |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() still taking applications? I am James. I am 27, married, no kids, work full-time, and go to law school at night. Last year I completed three sprint triathlons. This year is the year of the ODT and maybe end with a HIM. I generally average 4 hrs/wk right now, but will bump it up as the summer arrives. I like to talk tri and am interested in gaining other's insight. Best Regards, -James |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Name: Greg Weightloss: I started at 6'2, 202, I'm 188 now, hoping to race at 180. Married 17 years, High school sweetheart; one 8 yr. old daughter. Edited by gplitt 2009-05-11 4:59 PM |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goals for this old man: 2). Not get injured. I'm dealing with lots of aches but no injuries so far. Edited by gplitt 2009-04-16 5:32 PM |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey guys, Thanks for the swim tips! Went really well, what I ended up doing, instead of counting my stroke, I counted my leave time and lap, so instead of 1,2,3,breathe, I did 1,10,1,breathe... 2,20,2,breathe. At least I didnt lose count, lol. About the advil/liver thing. I've heard that too, but I've heard you would have to take a lot, or have a pre-existing liver condition, due to drinking or disease, for the effect to be noticeable. I think like anything else, in moderation, its okay. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gplitt - 2009-04-16 3:23 PM One question. As I've moved up to 7-9 mile runs, my left hip is hurting. I can get through it, but the pain lasts all day. Is this common? Am I overtraining? I'm training six days a week right now. My 1/2 is 16 weeks away, but that is all too close for me. I didn't have any pain when I was running 3-6 miles a time. Did you make a big jump in terms of running time? The 10% rule is pretty good, so if you jumped up more than 10% in time running, either total per week, or individual runs, that could be it. I think you said your running 4x a week, so maybe cut back to 3, and make sure you have an off day between runs, that might help. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() David, Thanks for doing this! Seems like I'll be grandpa here! I'm Jaime 43 years old. Married and 2 kids. I've always been doing some sort of athletic activity. Played tennis for the last 7 years. Before that I did a bit of distance running. Finally put on my running shoes this year again -love it! My knees hurt a little though ![]() Also have been swiming about twice a week. My kids 5 and 6 swim, so instead of playing with the blackberry decided to jump in the pool. Doing about an hour -2000m- per session trying to get some endurance - the pool is still kicking my rear. No kdding always wanted to start training for triathlon but ........................... excuses. Now, tomorrow my first ever tri-bike arrives on the mail, a Cervelo P2 2008, and it feels like Christmas in April!!! What I'm gonna do with it????????? Have no idea yet!!!!! Thought about going with the 2x balance training program, what do you think? Goals.................... 1. Start training for a triathlon........... almost there 2. Run my first spring (and many others)Triathlon safely and without embarrasing myself. When? When ready. Savannah Sprint Series June 7h might be too soon. 3. Virginia Beach Rock 'n Roll half - New York 26.2 Question. What kind of rides/training should I start doing on the bike? Should I join a group or go solo at my own pace? |
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