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Originally posted by Oysterboy I have heard such BS around the gun issue in the last few days it makes me want to pull Lefty's hair out. The ban the AR-15 argument is ludicrous. How many of these things are out there now? And I do know people that use them for hunting. I heard another one that pled for us to outlaw semi-automatics. Jeez, we're supposed to go back to bolt action? Might as well make everything a muzzle loader then (remember, this was the only firearm around when the 2nd amendment was drafted). Besides, I need at least 2 shells to wing a duck. The best was to outlaw AR-15 ammo. This thing has been chambered in almost every available caliber, the predominant one is Rem .223. How many hunting rifles are chambered in Rem .223, my guess this is the predominant hunting round for deer in the USA? There are some things that can be done, bump stocks are a no-brainer. We need to ask why people need 30 round magazines, the majority of hunters I know would be good with 5, most need only 1 bullet. My semi-auto scatter guns are limited to 3 for hunting. Honestly, only Scarface needs more than 5 for home defense. We need to get serious about background checks and I don't think that requiring classes is a bad idea, education never hurt anyone. I am glad to see this country starting to take some notice of this issue. Took some pissed off high schoolers to force the issue, nice to see them take some time away from their smartphones. Civic engagement is a good thing.

Originally posted by Rogillio WASHINGTON (AP) — As a grieving Florida community demanded action on guns, President Donald Trump on Tuesday directed the Justice Department to move to ban devices like the rapid-fire bump stocks used in last year’s Las Vegas massacre. It was a small sign of movement on the gun violence issue that has long tied Washington in knots. Stable Genius at work.....

Originally posted by Left Brain

Looks like it may end up being only Bill Clinton and Donal Trump to get any new legislation on smokepoles in place.....fitting. 

Originally posted by Oysterboy I wouldn't exactly say that prohibiting bump stocks is a profile in courage, I think that even the NRA left that one on the table after Las Vegas. But I am hopeful that we can get something meaningful done. Trump is in the right place at the right time.

Originally posted by Left Brain

I bet he goes a bit further.  I see age and background checks as a place he is willing to move on....he's not stupid....this is an opportunity.

Originally posted by Rogillio Don't tell that to the left/MSM. They have underestimated him since the day he has announced his candidacy.

Originally posted by Oysterboy Dog, narrative does not denote either fact or fiction. And you want to argue this is a govt of great and decisive action?

Originally posted by Oysterboy

Dog, narrative does not denote either fact or fiction. And you want to argue this is a govt of great and decisive action?

Originally posted by mdg2003



We agree that our govt is hopelessly deadlocked. Who is to blame for that? Both sides use means to undo the actions of the other party. The narrative is that it's because Trump is such a divisive figure. When obama was being an equally divisive figure, the narrative was that the republicans were boogerheads and racists.

Doesn't matter anyhow because Trump stepped into the trap and it was sprung. He is quoted as saying he's "going to get it done." The next shooting will be tied around his neck in a nice neat bow. He can come out tomorrow with full republican backing and outlaw the infamous 'black gun' , high cap. magazines and bump stocks( don't shiite yourselves, hypothetical here). The democrats will dig in their heels and refuse to vote along with him. They'll change the target and the media will play the new narrative that Trump isn't serious about getting it done. Lose / lose, for everyone. Gun control is their platform for the next election cycle, making certain Trump fails to accomplish anything on that front is guaranteed.

Originally posted by Oysterboy


Jeez, even I am not that cynical. If some meaningful legislation is brought forward by Trump and the republicans (yes, hypothetically) and the dems oppose it they will get crucified by their home states. Perhaps not so much for the ones from the midwest or west, but the dems from the coasts are from states that, generally, have laws that are much tougher than whatever the fed is likely to propose. These states have problems with firearms coming in from other states and they recognize this. The lefties can also be primaried from the left. There are other issues that your argument could apply to, that I will concede. but this isn't one.

Originally posted by mdg2003



Oh, he owns it now. His feet will be held to the fire by the media and I honestly don't see a viable win for the administration. This will also be a test of how serious the democrats are about finding a bi-partisan solution to the problem. No matter how they act, I do not expect the media, other than Fox, to report on such antics. Trump took the cheese and the trap has been sprung and the democrats hold the cards.

I think he can put in a lot more sensible restrictions without pizzing off the 2A people in his base. Contrary to what the narrative dictates about NRA members, they aren't the lunatic fringe the media portrays them to be. The AR platform could be scaled back to a 5 round magazine. Initial complaints will be numerous, but accepted by law abiding members of the NRA. Making higher capacity mags illegal won't make them go away and the next guy that goes on a shoot will ignore the new laws anyway. He's ignoring the laws against murder already, what's an additional weapons charge going to matter?

Originally posted by Oysterboy


Ya know, I'm gonna push back a bit against the MSM labeling all NRA members as the lunatic fringe. I just don't hear that. Of course the NRA, just like the MSM and every other organization has a lunatic fringe (even BT - sorry Rog), but I consistently hear the MSM use the term "law-abiding citizen" when describing rank and file NRA members.