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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() prize? 500th AND the first post on a new page?! that is like using "Q" on a triple letter score! Edited by hooslisa 2009-02-17 7:49 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JESS, that is awesome that you are doing the cherry blossom too! we will have to set up a meeting point afterward! Do I hear a post-race beer approaching?
Edited by hooslisa 2009-02-17 7:53 PM |
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Regular ![]() ![]() | ![]() I loved the Barefoot Running Posts (BARP) here (including those from early on). My feet are extremely sensitive and have an arch that can really hurt if I'm wearing a pair of shoes that don't agree with me. I love my Salomon XT shoes, and last month got a pair of Asics gel shoes that fit me okay. But after reading all the BARPs here, I started running shoeless on the treadmill. No pain! After 20 minutes however, the soles of my feet start to get numb heh. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ....i know. i have been reading about it too. i've read a bunch of reviews on those vibram 5 fingers shoes, and it is really quite interesting. i haven't read a bad one yet. i did watch a video of someone putting them on, and let's just say he wouldn't have the best T2 time. that is the only downside i have seen so far. might have to bust out the running shoes for the tri. interesting stuff. i just don't know why they can't just put a sheet of fabric over the toes so they wouldn't look so stupid. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LISA - You weasel! Actually, I do have something, and it is a fine sampler of gels, thoughtfully put together by yours truly. There is not only a range of flavors, but a range of manufacturers as well. Just perfect for starting to sort out your energy needs for the tri season! If you want to claim this, just post your mailing address, and if you don't want to do it at-large, then you can just PM it to me. Let me know if you want it - otherwise it will slide to the next one down after you, which i think was Grace. Just one of those services I provide! That's good that you are getting to a doctor about your hip. I find it amusing that your doc also specializes it wrists, which makes me wonder what activity it is that requires extensive use of both knees and wrists. I mean, how many people come to him hoping to kill two birds with one stone? When I was a kid I had a thing about jumping down from high places, and would often manage to hurt knees, wrists, and any number of other parts of me in one fell swoop. So, maybe your doc specializes in dealing with dopey kids. Anyhow, A.R.T. would be good, but it's best if you can find out the root cause of your hip problems, rather than just treating the symptoms, so that's where the doctor is a good first line of attack. (However, if he tells you that your hip problems are a manifestation of carpal tunnel syndrome.....maybe go somewhere for a second opinion!) That's very cool about both you and Ryan getting the registrations for Cherry Blossom. It's also nifty that TGJ is also going to be there, although it's unlikely that you'll be able to meet up -- doesn't the race have about 10,000 people, literally? Let me know how the doctor visit goes, and if you want to claim the gel sampler. You may be a weasel, but you're a very clever weasel! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LISA - Oops! I just saw yours to TGJ about setting up a meeting place afterward, so I guess you're not about to be dissuaded by the masses. Somehow, thinking about it, I'm not at all surprised that you're into post-race party-mode already, as I have the distinct impression that you are a VERY social creature. Yes? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() GRACE - You're very brave! I can only fantasize about running barefoot in any kind of serious setting, as my periodically messed-up metatarsals, and my flirtings with neuroma problems, make it just too risky for me to attempt. I think. Or, at least too risky on hard surfaces. I have to admit that this recent discussion here has me thinking about barefoot running on the local golf course, but of course that won't happen for at least two months. (Unless I REALLY want tough feet, ones that can handle snow and slush!!) I know the rationale behind barefoot running and the ability it has to strengthen one's feet, and it is probably worth giving it a try on a soft, as-safe-as-can-possibly-be surface. (Hey! Aren't I too old to be so impressionable? Peer-pressure, much??) |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I can't believe now we all want to regress to childhood and run around barefoot. Although those shoes look decent...a quick glance at my toes show that they do not have the 5mm spacing in between them like the shoes have. So not sure if it will work for me.
I did try my run today on my forefoot. It was a 5 miler and I did mile 2 completely on the forefoot. It was a bit awkward but I appeared to be driving forward easier. I maintained the same pace which is a wim considering it was something new. Towards the end of that mile I felt a slight twinge...very slight in my calf. Rather than risk it I figured one mile was enough like that. Thankfully I had read Steve's post about hurting his calf's when he started out so I figure 1 mile at a time in the middle of a run until I can do the full duration without pain.
One thing I have learned training for tri's is that you have to be very mindful of your body when something doesn't feel right. For years I could play baseball, surf, soccer, etc with little twinges...but in long distance stuff that is just asking for trouble. My trng partner has been hurt now from some lower extremity issue for a few months and I am getting much closer to him through consistent, persistant, approaches to training. He's running 8's for long distance so I have about a minute to go to catch him. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TGJ - Glad to have you back! I'm sorry you were sick, but it sounds as if you treated it perfectly wisely in listening to your systems. I think I told somebody else recently that the general rule of thumb is that it's okay to exercise if the sicky-symptoms are from the neck up, but once they go below the neck it is best to just rest until everything is mostly fine. And, sometimes, even head-centered stuff can be so miserable that even thinking about doing a workout makes me feel wretched to the third power. That sounds like a nice trainer workout! I did my first Spinervals session in about four years the other day, and it was a killer. i had forgotten how brutal some of them can be! I'm perfectly capable of constructing tough, challenging trainer workouts myself.....but too often inertia set in and they end up being little more than "junk miles". But those Spinervals --- whoa! (Are you familiar with them? Maybe I'll post something about them for everybody, although it seems thta most of the crew here are in climates that allow them to ride outside. GRRRR!) You are very welcome about the nutrition stuff. I just find it a huge topic, and so thinking and writing about it here is good for me as a way of clearing out some of the mental debris. It is just tough to stay ahead of the curve of new products and new information --- not to mention the fact that I always have to think: "is it blood glycogen and muscle glucose, or the other way around??" And then there are lactic acids, and all the things that can buffer them ---- and right now I'm just drawing blanks. Yikes!! Stay healthy, as you bid adieu to your February flu! Yahoo! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey steve, you can send the gel sampler down the ladder. While, I LOVE gel i can't take it because 1.) i cheated 2.)i just bought a whole box of gu at the MB expo. 3.) it sounds like a perfect way for a new triathlete (grace) to experiment with what works. I really just wanted the glory .....and it will be easy to find me at the cherry blossom 10 miler... I will be the one running barefoot .....and yes, I am about as extroverted as they come....not a partier really, but an extrovert. Oh, mentor! How well you know us! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() HEY JESS!! i just found out that our local swim club, the reston masters, does a ows clinic and 1 or 2 mile ows on may 23rd and 24th. the clinic is sat and the races are sun. i am pretty sure you can just do the clinic on saturday if that is all you want. it isn't too far from you so i thought i would pass it along. here is the website. the clinic is only $10.50! https://www.clubassistant.com/club/meet_information.cfm?c=1107&smid=1465 Edited by hooslisa 2009-02-18 1:01 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() "ROLLDOWN" FOR THE GEL SAMPLER (almost like rolldown for Kona spots!) For Kona spots, a process knoown as "rolldown" occurs. If only one spot was allotted for a particular age group, and if the winner of that age group did not/could not/would not clain that spot, then the spot would "roll down" to the person who finished second -- and so on. As Lisa did not accept her "500th Post Award", it now rolls down to Grace. If Grace doesn't want it, it rolls down to Mindy (I'm not sure she ever received her two breakfasts in bed!), and if Mindy doesn't want it, Trevor is next in line (he was top of page 20, and when he responded to my challenge of posting his picture, he responded almost immediately). ROLLDOWN ORDER: - LISA (has turned down the award, partly in shame -she sounds almost like A-Rod! - and partly because she seems content with the glory ---- such as it is) - GRACE - MINDY - TREVOR Grace, what do you say?? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LISA - No, I don't think you cheated. I may think you are a weasel ---- but that's HARDLY the same thing as being a cheater!! ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LISA and JESS - Yowzers! You two are very lucky, to have a clinic like that for only $10.50! I hope you can make it there, Jess, as that will give you just that much more confidence for Moosey! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() FOR ALL - "CHASING BUBBLES" For those of you who are somewhat apprehensive about your first swim in a race setting, here is a very simple "drill" that will help condition you for one of the potentially unsettling aspects of an open water race swim. As people are swimming in your lane, find someone who looks to be just a bit faster than you are. Wait at the end of the lane until they get there and push off, then a few seconds later follow after them. As long as they are kicking (and not using a pull buoy), they will create a lot of turbulence - bubbles - into which you will swim. The natural inclination is to avoid this sort of situation, but in fact it is what will be all around you in a race. So, if you can start to get comfortable with swimming well within someone's turbulent wake in your pool, you will be much, much less flustered when this happens in a race. One of the goals of this "drill" is to get as close to the swimmer in front of you as you can. If you touch his or her feet, it is probably okay that one time, but try not to do it again -- either allow more space, or find another person. A great strategy in triathlon swims is "drafting" (perfectly legal in the swim, totally illegal on the bike), and if done correctly it can give you a boost while cutting into the effort you are expending. The best spot to drsaft is off to the side of another swimmers legs, but right behind them - swimming into their bubbles - is also very effective. I am terrible at drafting - don't know why - as I just can't maintain my optimal position behind the person I am trying to draft off. Even if you don't want to draft (and a majority of people avoid drafting), the practice of "chasing bubbles" in your pool will make you much more comfortable with "pack-swimming", which is especially prevalent in the first minute or two of most triathlons. NOTE: As I have written to a couple of you previously, there are many ways to avoid the major effects of the pacck swim, and these mostly involve where you position yourself at the start, and the time when you start relative to everybody else (that is, wait 5-10 seconds or so). Glub, glub! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SAX - Yeah, it's pretty striking how dramatically the calves respond to being put in that new position, isn't it? One wouldn't think that a mere mile (or two, or three) could elicit that reaction, but there you have it. I guess it goes to show how finely-tuned our bodies are to the normal range-of-motion through which we put them. It also shows how secretively "weak" some of our muscles are, even when we are sure they are in fine, fine shape. My most recent cautionary tale involves probably 30 seconds, at the end of an easy 24-minute run, in which my goal was to "extend" my leg on push-off, really trying to accent the push-off phase by both the leg extension and coming off my toes. It felt GREAT at the time - fluid, natural - but then a few hours later both Achilles were quite sore, and got worse over the next couple of days. That was Jan. 25. On Feb. 3 I did a mere 13 minutes on the 'mill ----- and haven't run since. Small biomechanical changes = big stresses (all too often). For you, though, I expect it will all be fine. Calf soreness is expected with transistioning to midfoot- or forefoot-running, so just go through this process incrementally and you should avoid anything serious. (And as long as you're not really sore, you can help things by doing gentle calf stretches, and maybe self-massages. "The Stick" is great for calf aches!) |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Steve - Ugh, went to the community center bright and early today to get started on swim training. That was terrible! It has been a long while since I really swam at all, and I was never proficient at breathing. I'm going put in three swims a week, and look for some guidance on my stroke, so I know that at some point I will improve - but sputtering along breathing water just trying to finish one 25m leg was very dis-heartening. On the upside, ran 25 min yesterday and it was much more fluid than previously (as well as being a pseudo-brick due to my commute). Regarding BARP, Sax has obviously called all of the bluffs. There is a barefoot run in my near future - though I don't have the benefit of SoCal weather, so "near" might be a flexible term. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This is part of the posting from Coolrunning.com of the half-marathon I missed on Sunday. The Hoyts were there as well. Check out these times! MALE AGE GROUP: 65 - 69 1 286 PHILIP PIERCE 68 FALMOUTH ME 1:48:52 2 482 DICK HOYT 68 HOLLAND MA 1:59:21 3 637 TERRENCE KENNEY 68 NASHUA NH 2:09:01 MALE AGE GROUP: 70 - 74 1 406 SHU MINAMI 70 MONT VERNON NH 1:55:36 2 529 RAM SATYAPRASAD 70 BURLINGTON MA 2:02:15 3 607 JERRY LEVASSEUR 71 BRUNSWICK ME 2:07:03 FEMALE AGE GROUP: 70 - 74 1 642 POLLY KENNISTON 72 SCARBOROUGH ME 2:09:36 |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Steve- Free thoughts from a complete novice, worth what you pay. Regarding "pushing off" from the mid foot strike. As I understand (which is vaguely at best) the Chi running theory there would be no pushing. The idea at its simplest is to lean forward and use the legs to "catch" you as you fall, over and over again. The muscle motion is meant to be a picking up of the foot using the hamstrings (? my anatomy is failing me, muscle opposite quad) without any effort from the lower legs. The ideal condition of the foot/ankle in this stride is floppy loose, literally as if you were trying to shake something off the bottom of your shoe - or bare foot :-) According the the Chi guy, whose name escapes me, you would be moving forward mainly via the force of gravity (falling) and using the legs only as a temporary support - moving on as quickly as possible. The idealized gait (in this theory) would be similar to running across sand while leaving the shallowest footprint possible. He advocates lengthening the stride behind you rather than in front to increase speed. He does this by leaning farther forward - referring to the lean as the "gas pedal". I think this follows the general outline of Neil's earlier post regarding the placement of the foot in the stride - essentially under the body not in front of it. There you have it, running theory from some body who has racked up all of five miles in the last two years. I'll take my ego and go now. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TREVOR - It's a start, it's a start --- no "ugh" required! My first serious swim, just about this day, this month, back in '00, had the same result as you described at the end of the second paragraph. And - trust me on this - neither of us are at all alone in sharing this experience! For starters, go back to page 2 and look at the first and third posts on that page. The first one is a list of decent resources, and the second is a lenghty (rambling??) discussion of breathing and body position. After your next swim or two (and kudos to you for your resolve to try to get the pool 3X a week!), let me know more specifically what you sense your difficulties are, okay? If you can get somebody knowledgeable to look at you from above and critique what they see, that is a great starting point. Some lifegaurds will be happy to do this, but balk at being asked for advice on how to improve; they will critique, but not advise. If you can get another knowledgeable someone to critique you from underwater, that is also useful - probably even more so than from above. But above is easy, and you will maybe get comments on your breathing "style"; I'm sure this is a big part of my post the Mindy on page 2. (I mention this because of your comments: "I was never proficient at breathing" and "sputtering along breathing water" --- which sounds like you're trying to say something to us! ![]() ![]() Again, though -- big props for grabbing the bull by the horns and committing to three swims a week. Keep the sessions short to begin with, though, and work on technique. Slow and easy, no need for anything even hinting at "endurance" at this stage. If you are a truly patient sort, then do a length, stop for a minute or so, think about what felt good and what felt bad, and then go again, focusing on one good point and one bad point. Just as an example, if you felt your left hand/arm "bumping" the water 3 or 4 times upon entry during the last length, then focus on avoiding that in the next length. (TECHNICAL NOTE: This would involve aiming for high elbows on your recovery, which is a pretty easy thing to work on.) Have faith! Diligent effort and focus is rewarded pretty quickly for most new-to-serious-swimming swimmers! Moving beyond swimming, congrats on the brick -- you are now well on your way to becoming a confirmed brickophiliac! And as for BARP, yup - Barpomania seems to be running wild! (And, wild runners run barefoot in the wild?) Non-tri note: Have you ever seen Paul DeLay perform in Portland or nearby? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TREVOR again - EXCELLENT summary of the Chi running principles! The guy's name is Danny (or maybe Denny?) Dreyer, and when I did Boston in '04 he presented a session at the expo. His book had been released just days before (he made a killing seeling the book after the session), and a lot of people weren't familair with the his concept. Part of his session was "hands-on", with all of us standng up and doing the gravity lean thing. It was quite humorous, watching him doing it effortlessly (suspended animation, almost) while we in the audience were collapsing nad cascading forward, spastically! Many thanks for the Chi insights, Trevor! Go Rose City Rollers AND PaulDeLay!! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ERIC - You were kind not to include the results from the 60-64 a.g., and moreover my recently-vacated 55-59 cohort --- but curious minds want to know! So, at the risk of damaging my running self-esteem.........what were the top times for 55-59 and 60-64?? My best half-mar was 1:36:52 in '02 when I was 53, so I guess if you can tell me the time for 50-54, also, I can have myself a big cry over that! My guesses, based on the 1:48 for a 68 year old (that's one impressive time for that age!!): 60-64 -- 1:34 55-59 -- 1:28 50-54 -- 1:19 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TREVOR - He might (our sax has broad shoulders and a strong heart), but it won't count as one your 3/week! |
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