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 2010-08-25 5:13 PM in reply to: #3063964 |
Elite  3088    Austin, TX Gold member |  Subject: RE: Ironman TexasI wish there was a way to definitively quantify the time savings (or lack thereof) of these suits. I have a very hard time believing DeSoto's claim of 4 seconds per 100. And why would you wear that for the whole race when it doesn't have any pockets? On top of that, who the heck wants to wear a jet black suit for IMTX? |
| 2010-08-25 5:16 PM in reply to: #3064025 |
Extreme Veteran 387 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas Desoto says NOT to wear it for the entire race. I kind of sounds like they say you could wear it for a sprint. Depends on the sprint and how fast you are. If you're a top contender in a sprint and it takes you 8-12 seconds to get it off then that could really hurt you, if you're not then who cares, wear it and take it off. What most people need are swim lessons, not all these different suits. Does 30-90 seconds really matter if people are hanging on kayaks and in zone 4 for the entire swim and swallow a gallon of water? Most need to have better form and swim more, bottom line. After that I would say look into the suits. Just my thoughts as a coach. |
| 2010-08-25 5:31 PM in reply to: #3064025 |
Extreme Veteran 567 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dgunthert - 2010-08-25 5:13 PM I wish there was a way to definitively quantify the time savings (or lack thereof) of these suits. I have a very hard time believing DeSoto's claim of 4 seconds per 100. And why would you wear that for the whole race when it doesn't have any pockets? On top of that, who the heck wants to wear a jet black suit for IMTX? Let's say you swim 2.4 mi (4224 yds) at a 2:00/100yd pace = 1h 24m 28s Total swim split. If you take 4 secs off per 100 for a 1:56/100 pace = 1h 21m 39s Total swim split. So this would save you less the 3 mins total? And I agree with Dennis that I find it hard to believe it really does save you 4 sec per 100 but even if it does is that little of a time savings even worth it? But the next question is how much would it save you in terms of overall exertion? If it does indeed help your buoyancy thus requiring less effort to swim then maybe it is worth the cost? Guess we will have to wait for someone to do a product review! Personally I am skeptical and will just continue to push out 10K yards a week in the pool! |
| 2010-08-25 6:54 PM in reply to: #3064048 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas JeffIrvin - 2010-08-25 5:31 PM dgunthert - 2010-08-25 5:13 PM I wish there was a way to definitively quantify the time savings (or lack thereof) of these suits. I have a very hard time believing DeSoto's claim of 4 seconds per 100. And why would you wear that for the whole race when it doesn't have any pockets? On top of that, who the heck wants to wear a jet black suit for IMTX? Let's say you swim 2.4 mi (4224 yds) at a 2:00/100yd pace = 1h 24m 28s Total swim split. If you take 4 secs off per 100 for a 1:56/100 pace = 1h 21m 39s Total swim split. So this would save you less the 3 mins total? And I agree with Dennis that I find it hard to believe it really does save you 4 sec per 100 but even if it does is that little of a time savings even worth it? But the next question is how much would it save you in terms of overall exertion? If it does indeed help your buoyancy thus requiring less effort to swim then maybe it is worth the cost? Guess we will have to wait for someone to do a product review! Personally I am skeptical and will just continue to push out 10K yards a week in the pool! Well, I'm certainly not doing 10k a week in the pool, but why not go for both? Slow motor + fast equipment = bad race Fast motor + slow equipment = good race Fast motor + fast equipment = dream crushing! |
| 2010-08-25 7:42 PM in reply to: #3064048 |
| Veteran 147 TEXAS | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas Save the money on a speed suit. Get a good bike fit for about the same price and you can make 3 minutes up on 112 mile bike. Do the meters in the pool and ow swims workouts for confidence in the swim. Just my 2 cents And yes I do not own a bike shop |
| 2010-08-26 7:28 AM in reply to: #3064029 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas onurleft - 2010-08-25 5:16 PM What most people need are swim lessons, not all these different suits. Does 30-90 seconds really matter if people are hanging on kayaks and in zone 4 for the entire swim and swallow a gallon of water? Most need to have better form and swim more, bottom line. After that I would say look into the suits. Just my thoughts as a coach. I'm 100% with Aaron on this one. I'm as guilty as anyone of using the wetsuit as a crutch for long distance swims. I have the Syracuse 70.3 and IMFL in the coming weeks and I'm not sweating the swim at all because I just have to paddle my butt around the lake or Gulf. I'm still swim training but nothing on the level that I will do come first of the year when I know I have to prepare for a 2.4 swim WITHOUT a wetsuit. I am a self-taught swimmer with many technique flaws I'm sure. That said, I'm not a bad swimmer and I do have top 10 age group swims. I actually plan on taking some master classes this winter to improve so it's once less thing I need to concern myself with. I want my only concern on May 21st to be the weather. Edited by GMAN 19030 2010-08-26 7:29 AM |
| 2010-08-26 7:50 AM in reply to: #2944040 |
Extreme Veteran 494 | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas I agree with Aaron as well. If you don't have the engine to make the swim on your own, then no form of skinsuit will help you. It's simply marketing by the different companies to increase sales. There will always be people that want the latest and greatest just because they can. It's like race wheels. People swear that they need them to get faster. When all they really need is more time on the bike with quality workouts and higher intensity. Proper swimming technique will do wonders. I'm not the best swimmer, but i've made improvements this year by reading and talking to other swimmers who are good. Knowledge is key and execution will take you a long way. |
| 2010-08-26 11:10 AM in reply to: #2944040 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas One possible factor for a complicated race: RAIN. I was looking at the average temps for the area and it was in there, May is THE RAINIEST month for the whole year. I've done one half in a deluge one time, and it was no walk in the park, the bike was extremely heavy from the increased RR but the run was cool at least.  |
| 2010-08-26 12:33 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Veteran 290 D/FW, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas |
| 2010-08-26 4:24 PM in reply to: #3065223 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas evillarroel - 2010-08-26 11:10 AM One possible factor for a complicated race: RAIN. I was looking at the average temps for the area and it was in there, May is THE RAINIEST month for the whole year. I've done one half in a deluge one time, and it was no walk in the park, the bike was extremely heavy from the increased RR but the run was cool at least. Hmmm, I'll take the rain if it can take the temperature down a few degrees and get us out of the sun! |
| 2010-08-26 7:14 PM in reply to: #3064136 |
Extreme Veteran 567 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas AndrewMT - 2010-08-25 6:54 PM JeffIrvin - 2010-08-25 5:31 PM dgunthert - 2010-08-25 5:13 PM I wish there was a way to definitively quantify the time savings (or lack thereof) of these suits. I have a very hard time believing DeSoto's claim of 4 seconds per 100. And why would you wear that for the whole race when it doesn't have any pockets? On top of that, who the heck wants to wear a jet black suit for IMTX? Let's say you swim 2.4 mi (4224 yds) at a 2:00/100yd pace = 1h 24m 28s Total swim split. If you take 4 secs off per 100 for a 1:56/100 pace = 1h 21m 39s Total swim split. So this would save you less the 3 mins total? And I agree with Dennis that I find it hard to believe it really does save you 4 sec per 100 but even if it does is that little of a time savings even worth it? But the next question is how much would it save you in terms of overall exertion? If it does indeed help your buoyancy thus requiring less effort to swim then maybe it is worth the cost? Guess we will have to wait for someone to do a product review! Personally I am skeptical and will just continue to push out 10K yards a week in the pool! Well, I'm certainly not doing 10k a week in the pool, but why not go for both? Slow motor + fast equipment = bad race Fast motor + slow equipment = good race Fast motor + fast equipment = dream crushing! Awesome .., LMAO |
| 2010-08-26 8:37 PM in reply to: #3065406 |
Regular 54 DFW, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas spuphal - 2010-08-26 12:33 PM We could all just order some of these... problem solved.   Actually with the heat and humidity, I was thinking about using one of these. Except swithcing out the beers for Gatorade  |
| 2010-08-26 9:00 PM in reply to: #3066391 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas Welch's Grape - 2010-08-26 8:37 PM Actually with the heat and humidity, I was thinking about using one of these. Except swithcing out the beers for Gatorade I think you're on to something, but instead of switching to Gatorade, how about Shiner? |
| 2010-08-26 9:19 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas |
| 2010-08-26 9:46 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Veteran 290 D/FW, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas That, my friend, is pure genius! Love it! |
| 2010-08-27 9:30 AM in reply to: #3066441 |
New user 141 | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas fattyfatfat - 2010-08-26 9:19 PM I love the new bike John I wonder what you splits will be....... |
| 2010-08-27 9:31 AM in reply to: #3067111 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas will6899 - 2010-08-27 9:30 AM fattyfatfat - 2010-08-26 9:19 PM I love the new bike John I wonder what you splits will be.......Will it matter? With two kegs, something tells me he won't care... |
| 2010-08-27 11:07 PM in reply to: #3066441 |
Expert 902 Wylie, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas |
| 2010-08-28 11:16 AM in reply to: #3068706 |
Master 1831 Keller Tx | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas docshock1964 - 2010-08-27 11:07 PM fattyfatfat - 2010-08-26 9:19 PM Your seat is too high. I wonder if the pizza will stay hot for the whole ride |
| 2010-08-28 12:55 PM in reply to: #3068962 |
Regular 87 San Antonio | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas Doughboy - 2010-08-28 11:16 AM docshock1964 - 2010-08-27 11:07 PM fattyfatfat - 2010-08-26 9:19 PM Your seat is too high. I wonder if the pizza will stay hot for the whole ride Can we put an order in at special needs for carry out? |
| 2010-08-28 1:51 PM in reply to: #3069038 |
Regular 54 DFW, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas bearpauly - 2010-08-28 12:55 PM Doughboy - 2010-08-28 11:16 AM docshock1964 - 2010-08-27 11:07 PM fattyfatfat - 2010-08-26 9:19 PM Your seat is too high. I wonder if the pizza will stay hot for the whole ride Can we put an order in at special needs for carry out? You could actually make back your entry fee by charging per slice for pizza. You could also run a long hose off of one of the taps to refill Aero-Bottles, similar to how the military refuels planes in flight. Charge by the refill. Of course keep one keg dedicated to yourself. |
| 2010-08-28 5:35 PM in reply to: #3067111 |
| Arlington, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas I was on BeginnerTriathlete for a short while in 2008; then got away from it. Just got back on it today... and found this forum. I'm registered for 2011 Ironman Texas... and eager to read everything and see every photo possible about the race environment. Also plan to take several dry runs of the location prior to the race. I'll start posting my Beginner Triathlete training log beginning Monday. This will be my first Ironman! David |
| 2010-08-28 5:38 PM in reply to: #3069094 |
| Arlington, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas You know.... you could mount a battery powered TV in the front. Question though.... where are the pedals? |
| 2010-08-28 5:39 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Pro 4174 Keller, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas Welcome back! Lots of us form the metoplex making the pilgrimage to the Woodlands! |
| 2010-08-28 5:46 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas You guys obviously don't know John, all that beer and pizza is for him. Those are just little pony kegs, should last him about 112. |
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