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2010-07-28 7:56 AM in reply to: #3008629 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL JESS - Woo-hoo! You're in! We have much to confab about that, but for now I'll just say that I will stay until the very end -- and that there is no way you will be close to the last finisher! I now have to go back to the results and see what you are seeing tha makes you think that way, but from what I think I know, I don't see it unfolding like that at all. And congrats (of sorts) on getting on the trainer. I know that's not where you want to be, so at the very least it takes a big effort to suck it up and actually do that. Rigtheous! Belly of the Beast -- is that the one near Clinton, NJ? I was leaning very heavily towards MightyMan again and will probably keep it that way, but now with thoughts of Triple-T Ohio, I wonder if I ought to do the milder Triple-T North Carolina as a kind of warm-up indicator event. that;s the weekend after MightyMan, which is how it factors into the discussion here and now.) But as my thoughts are still on B2B, I won;t go down that way twice in 4 or 5 weeks, so I don't think Triple-T NC is tenable (is that the word I want?). But if I actually do do B2B, I will be sure to take great notes for you!! (Got to get the body to agree with the brain that it wants to undertake another full iron, however!) |
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2010-07-28 7:59 AM in reply to: #3009201 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL NEIL - Bootless as of yesterday? Yay!!! Triple-T, in May......can you dig it? It's at www.americantriple-t.com, and if you're like me you can go there post-haste and printvout all the juicy info. I am now armed and dangerous and sorely tempted. At $200, it's the best buy in triathlon! |
2010-07-28 8:02 AM in reply to: #3009209 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL LISA - See post above to Neil -- I've got the info and the initiative (for now!). It's good that reg hasn't opened yet, as the accoms are probably wide-open for the taking.....and I plan to book very soon, just to get the good place(s). There are some "secret" approaches to whwre to book and what works best, but I have to ferret out what they are. Do you have any leads on that from your crowd? I know I have the info, I just have to find it. KEEP TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!! |
2010-07-28 8:04 AM in reply to: #3009219 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL LISA again - Congrats on th IMLP sign-up (bit anticlimatic, though, as I figured it was a foregone conclusion, a done deal except for the paperwork!), and the ART sessions, and the successful run! More later. KEEP TALKING TO ME ABOUT TRIPLE-T!!!!!!!!!!! |
2010-07-28 9:41 AM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL i am sure there will be fexy team housing for triple t. i believe there is at least 1 cabin that is reserved. you are, of course, more than welcome to stay in the fexy cabin. no membership required i expect we will have 10+ teammates doing this. neil, are you doing it!!?? that would be awesome!! i'll talk to scott about what the team housing situation is, $$, location, etc. |
2010-07-28 12:13 PM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1547 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL I was all about Trip T when it was going to be in California. A week before I went to sign up they cancelled the race. Still not sure why. They said lack of interest but I find it hard to believe the couldn't sell that race out in CA. Every other race here sure sells out...including local sprints. Regarding boot. Took it off. Actually missed my appt so trying to reschedule. But it's off. Still no running though until I get confirmation I can safely do that. I feel like I am at risk for re injury right now so avoiding that. I have been getting on the bike however. I managed 7hrs, then 7hr 15min on the bike for the last 2 weeks. Expecting to get 8-9 hrs on the bike this week with another 2 or 3 swimming. So getting back into it...I need to start my officail IM plan next Monday. That will give me 16 weeks to go! |
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2010-07-28 8:49 PM in reply to: #3010038 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL NEIL - One of the things I was always good at with my more serious injuries was being patient right at the end of the proposed recovery period. That is, if it was for eight weeks, once I got to the 7th day of that last week....I could go for one or two more, just to make sure. So, i certainly understand (and support!) your inclination to wait for confirmation --- just to make sure! If you go to that Triple-T website, and go to the register pge, it will bring you a list of everybody who has entered....and they're aren't many. I mean, that's all relative, but that area of the triuniverse is also a hotbed. And what is even more surprising is that the venue - White Lake - is so popular that the perennial favorite HIM in early May now has two back-to-back weekends to choose from. And yet, Triple-T NC is not filling near as fast as I thought it might. Now part of the appeal of TTTOH is the brutish nature of the course, and the early season date, and the overall aspect of the Gathering of the Tribes in mutual, ritual, suffering. TTTNC, as with the proposed TTTCA, has no history, and at least for TTTNC, the course is a comparative cakewalk -- flat, flatter, flattest. Maybe I'm just making excuses, but still -- why it hasn't been swamped is beyond me. (As was the whimpering demise of TTTCA.) Finally, getting back to you, that's mighty fine bike mileage you're accumulating! And it will be very impressive if you can hit the 8-9 on the bike and the 2-3 in the water. Good resolve and execution, Neil! |
2010-07-28 9:31 PM in reply to: #3009505 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL LISA - Now THAT will be tempting! Thank you for the tentative offer! I remember you telling me that Ryan can get a bit high-strung before races, and in a sense I'm the same way. Well, in my case it's more reflective, maybe pensive -- liking to set my own rhythm. But for TTT, camaraderie is one of the huge drawing cards, and all I have read about it supports the idea that if you can do it with a friend or two, or a group, that just enhances the experince all the more. There is camaraderie that comes from just being on course with the same people for a few days.....but it can be ratcheted up a notch or eight when living kind of communally. Many thanks for answering my clarion call to keep talikng to me about this!! (As for accoms, have you booked LP yet? If not, do it now -- just in case either you or Ryan needs some solitude before the race. It would be good to have that as a back-up, anyhow....maybe?) |
2010-07-29 6:41 AM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL jess, reading your post about your serious(ly awesome) conversation made me smile. i have actually wondered what your plan/hope was there. i anxiously await news depending on what size and scope you want that day to be, planning that and an IM would be tough. I can't imagine it. there is no way i could have trained at this level and planned our wedding. now, you also don't need the volume of training we're doing to be able to finish in IM. just my experience. either way, i'm excited to hear the continued story!! |
2010-07-29 6:43 AM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL jess, those were also stellar race results ESPECIALLY given the fact that you stopped to help a racer in need. he was really lucky to have several of you stop to help him. who knows what could have happened!!! |
2010-07-29 6:44 AM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL well, neil. i guess you'll just have to take a trip out to Ohio next may!! |
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2010-07-29 6:59 AM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL ack, i, unfortunately did not read (or absorb) your post from the previous page and took my new newtons out for a 10 mile run yesterday and got pretty nice blisters of my own. like you, no body glide. i did have socks though. on running: i got in 5 miles easy on tuesday and felt okay. yesterday was supposed to be speed work. i was nervous to try it. i started out easy and it was okay, maybe a little sore, but when i started my tempo work, nothing. no problems at all. it was actually easier to run faster. i'm sure because my turn over picks up and i spend less time on my ankle. that was REALLY REALLY encouraging. not so encouraging was that in just 2.5 weeks off from running the level of running fitness i've lost is noticable. i mentioned it to scott and he said based of of the % of fitness you lose per week and how long it takes to recapture, I will be back to where i was in 7 days. who the hell knows what calculations are involved here (he is a stanford phd after all), but i'm holding him to them got a little emotional when i got home from track because it's frusturating to feel like i have to rebuild at this juncture. i made some negative, boo hoo facebook status and got a message from my high school coach reminding me that i can "hack" it. it's something he always said to us. you can hack it. well, i certainly can hack it. it was nice to get the reminder. i'm really happy that the joint seems to be far improved over last week. great news. triple t, i have also heard, is really a team event even if you do it solo. in the spring, a friend of mine mentioned we should partner up for it. she is one of the 2 women i mentioned i knew registered for placid. i think her and i together could be an unstoppable female team. my coach, though, suggested i do it on my own. he's done it twice as a team. once when he was the faster one and once when he was the slower one. he said it's frusturating either way to do a race of that distance and effort at someone else's pace. i'll likely heed his word. gotta run. ryan is nagging me. |
2010-07-30 7:07 AM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL hey steve, for simplicity sake i am going to just cut and paste two emails i just sent to scott. just wanting to keep you in the loop with where my head is for 2011..... .....so, since signing up for placid i was thinking that triple t would be the obvious choice. i saw nate at the pool and he said that he was not doing triple t again because he felt like it impacted his training for placid too much. the time it took to feel "normal" afterward just wasn't worth it. i remember you saying a week afterward that you were still toasted from it.
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2010-07-30 9:09 AM in reply to: #3011493 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL LISA - Ooo-wee! Lots of stuff here! And I'll do it in two parts, just so I can keep track of what you wrote. As for the run fitness, I would agree with Scott (mental note: always defer to a Stanford PhD, especially one aremd with spreadsheets!), and add to it that my initial runs after a layoff have always been pedestrian, clunky, and depressing. And then, a run or two later, it's mostly all back in place again. Now, the one thing I've never had is a sprained ankle, but as long as thta's not affecting you, then it all comes back to things like cadence/turnover and how your lungs handle that type of work. So, in that context, 2.5 weeks is 2.5 weeks is 2.5 weeks.......and I say you'll be running well again by Monday at the latest! Aside from the blisters, how did you like the feel of the new one - the Universal? And, from my Nag Seat here......are you sure you want to be playing with those so close to LOO? If you've had great training and results from the Motions, then I'd ride them into and through LOO; or at least i would be sorely tempted to follow that path. The other minor (maybe) benefit to the Motions is that they will be a bit more built-up than the Universals, and might carry you through 26.2 just a bit better. Having said that, though, were I to run a marathon in a month I would go with my green ones, the Distance (neutral racer) as opposed to the blue ones, the Gravity (the neutral trainer). Just some thoughts. And now that I've likely agitated you with one piece of unsolicited advice, I'll go with a second piece -- do Triple-T on your own. (And I'm not even defering to the SPAWS (short for Stanf. PhD Arm. With Spread.), but just going with what I know about you....and especially in light of your plans. That would all change, of course, if you said that your primo goal at TTT was to win the team competition -- period! But I think you are viewing things further afield than that, in which case it would make you certifiably crazy if you had to drag due to someone else's pace being slower than your own. I understand many of the benefits of the team aspect to TTT, but in my final view I just see it as an imprediment to getting every possible iota of benefit from the event. We spend all of our time nurturing our abilities at our own pace, and unless a team-type race is really just a lark, a hoot, a playday, then it seems counter-productive to mess too much with one's own game-plan. And maybe some people view TTT as a lark, but I sure couldn't approach it that way! Onwards. |
2010-07-30 9:10 AM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL this is what i got back from scott...........
i think TTT is actually placed really well for LP and for testing your fitness prior to the last major cycle. yes I was tired but TTT was on a very big volume week followed by a recovery week then another 3 weeks of build which included my training camp in placid. Eman is not good as it lands right at 5-6 weeks out which is where MAX volume goes and unless you want to end a big volume week with Eman or start one right after Eman we should pass on it. Leslie want to do eman this year and was willing to pay for a charity spot....i said that was fine as long as she trained through it....she decided to pass. what I find works(for me) is the following
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2010-07-30 9:21 AM in reply to: #3013708 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL LISA again - Does this mean you're having a few doubts about doing TTT in your LP year? I was wondering if that would happen, as it crossed my mind, too. In effect, of course, it is another iron-distance --- just with some decent food and hopefully decent sleep between the events! I will be real interested to hear what Scott thinks about that. Moreover, you'll know a lot about yourself once LOO is done, which is still several months before you have to commit to TTT. As for committing, I say that you look away from that $50 early fee for Quassy and allow other things to rule that decision. (Of course, I'm a proven Fool With Money, so.....) Same day as Quassy would be Mooseman -- tough bike course, good training for LP! It has been changed since I last did it, but I think it's even tougher now. I will be seeing someone next weekend who did the new course, and I'll ask for his take on it. Around June 25 is Tupper Lake half-iron, and if you did that you could do what many people do -- the race on Saturday, and then drive to Placid and do that course, too. Tupper is also quite inexpensive -- maybe $160? It has a very old-school feel about it, which is kind of refreshing in an odd way. The bike is not a killer, especially on the return, so even though in the olden days it was felt to be a great tune-up for IMLP, I think that is more for timing than for course similarities. (In the olden days, meaning the first couple of years of IMLP, Tupper had qualifying spots for Placid.) The first 5km of the run are difficult, I find -- and the only one of the races I have done there is the "sprint", which has a 10km run. But most of the second half of the HIM run is flat to gently rolling. www.ironmanmooseman.com www.tupperlakeinfo.com Gotta run. Bye for now! |
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2010-07-30 9:23 AM in reply to: #3014063 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL LISA once more - And tell Ryan not to nag you. Just because. |
2010-07-30 10:14 PM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1547 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL I went swimming tonight and it was weird that I have been out of the pool. Didn't do a whole lot, just wanted to test out the stroke and see how I felt. Did manage one 500 and I see that I am within 5 seconds of my fully IM trained self per 100yds. Thats strange...perhaps I am missing something in the pool...hmmm. Ok, now my question. I have treatment in the am (massage, heat, ice, ART) but in the afternoon I was going to try and hit 2.5 to 3hrs on the bike. I am up to 2hrs in a session so far. Think I can handle it? Also, I have only been on the roadie so far...at some point I will need to pull out the TT. In other news I dropped 3 of the 10lbs I need to lose to get back to ideal training weight. Didn't adjust the diet really...it was probably the 8hrs per week on the bike. Have a good weekend everybody. |
2010-07-31 7:37 AM in reply to: #3015252 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL NEIL - Yes! I think you can handle it -- especially the 2.5 hour part of it, and especially if it's just sort of "saddle time". If you're looking to do 3 hours at a half-iron pace, say, that might be a bit taxing, but I don't suppose that's your plan. I have always found the bike to be "forgiving", as long as there is not any pre-existing condition such as knee or back problems. That is, one can climb on the bike and spend a good chunk of time pedalling away, even after a lay-off or a period of decreased time/session. So, which will it be -- 2.5 or 3.0? Unless I'm reading you wrong, that is good news about you and the pool. Yes? Being five seconds off where you wer at the height of your powers bodes well for where you might be come November, right? My own weight story is that this morning I'm at 168; a year ago it was 177/178. I feel that once I hit ~174 I start pefoming better, at least on the run. I've been under 174 for all of this season so far, and all my race-runs have been solid. The last time I was under 170 mid-season, I think, was '04, which turned out to be a very good season. But at this point I am a bit leery of getting much lower than 168...........and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just mostly uncharted territory, and I don't really know at what point perfomance will decline with further weight loss. And I haven't been doing any dietary hocu-pocus, other than trying to eat sensibly and stay away from too much junk and not be a greedy-gut with multi-portions. To you, too --- have a good weekend! |
2010-07-31 7:48 AM in reply to: #3015398 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL LISA - Well, it's official: 3 seconds = .02372 USAT points. The Columbia points are up, and that's the diff between David Aadams and me - .02372. Actually, I find that very interesting. The years in which I just missed one of those USAT designations, I wondered whether it came down to the time where this small thing happened, or that small thing happened, or another small thing happened. You know -- adjusting a dropped chain, or taking a few moments to have a gel and drink right in T2, or stopping for 8 seconds to adjust a lce, or going off-course a few degrees on th swim. The answer -- those small seconds of frittered time matter!! On another note, did you hear anything about a lot of gastric problems on the IMLP run? Tina (ART) told me that she heard that many peole suffered, and that some fingers are being pointed at the new PowerBar drink. I bought the three flavors, haven't tried them yet, will very soon. I'm optimistic it will work for me......but have a few small alarms lights blinking, given that my gut is not exactly cast-iron. Any double-century rides planned for this weekend? (Actually, i shouldn't wink there -- it could very well be in your plans! (There's that wink again!) |
2010-07-31 6:21 PM in reply to: #3015252 |
Expert 745 Bethesda, MD/Northern NJ | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL sax - 2010-07-30 11:14 PM I went swimming tonight and it was weird that I have been out of the pool. Didn't do a whole lot, just wanted to test out the stroke and see how I felt. Did manage one 500 and I see that I am within 5 seconds of my fully IM trained self per 100yds. Thats strange...perhaps I am missing something in the pool...hmmm. Ok, now my question. I have treatment in the am (massage, heat, ice, ART) but in the afternoon I was going to try and hit 2.5 to 3hrs on the bike. I am up to 2hrs in a session so far. Think I can handle it? Also, I have only been on the roadie so far...at some point I will need to pull out the TT. In other news I dropped 3 of the 10lbs I need to lose to get back to ideal training weight. Didn't adjust the diet really...it was probably the 8hrs per week on the bike. Have a good weekend everybody. How'd it go today, Neil? Well, I guess its still afternoon for you, so maybe you're still out there? I did a group ride today and a guy showed up in Saxo Bank gear and I thought of you! I'm impressed with the weight loss- I really need to start trying to focus on that. Lisa - I think the race season Scott is setting up for you sounds really exciting Let me know what end June/July Oly you end up picking - could be fun to meet up again As for me, I think I'm going to be at Eagleman again next year. Planning on signing up this week. I truly enjoyed the race this year, and want another shot at the course! Also, I FINALLY got my official tshirt from the race in the mail today. When I went to pick up my shirt at the expo, they had run out of my size. They took down my name and said they would mail me one. It's been so long that I nearly gave up hope! I emailed them about two weeks ago, but never heard back. Today I got the shirt in the mail, with a second water bottle and some Hammer Gels. Cool! Today I did the longest ride of my life! Just about 70 miles on hilly-ish roads (over 3000 ft climbing). Did well! I smoked all the older men on the uphills (they were calling me billy goat by the end of the ride!) and then got dropped on almost every downhill, haha. The ride was with MAFW - it was advertised as covering "nearly every flat inch of Morris, Hunterdon and Somerset counties..." Unfortunately, there aren't THAT many flat inches around here. Hopefully good preparation for VT! |
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2010-07-31 8:38 PM in reply to: #3015406 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL hey steve, no, i didn't hear anything specific about stomach issues at placid. we actually got a case of that powerbar stuff. two, actually. all participants of IMs this year got a case mailed to them. i really liked it. i used it a few times while working out and didn't have any adverse effects at all. no century this week. in fact, i only got one in at placid so i actually will only have 5 under my belt prior to loo. we did an 80 mile ride followed by a 30 min run. my legs were really beaten up going it to it, but i managed to avg just shy of 18mph for the ride and turned around and did a 4 mile run in 7:49s. it was a great relief for me because my running since getting back into it this week has been rough. i really felt like my fitness took a hit in the 2.5 weeks off from running. it made me feel really good to get a solid run in. tomorrow we have a 22 mile long run on the agenda. it's the last day before taper official starts. i'm so excited!!! taper glorious taper. it's so close i can taste it. if i can make it through tomorrow's run, i'll be super happy. really really happy. hmmm. what else did you ask? i forgot.
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2010-07-31 8:52 PM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL ...okay, so shoes and TTT and USAT points. so shoes. i had thought about whether it was prudent to make the switch so close to IM loo. i wouldn't have done it if i were closer, but since i had over a month, i felt like it was enough time to test them out. i have a long run in the new ones (the Distance U) tomorrow. if that doesn't go well, then i have time to get a new pair of motions and break them in. i'm not worried about it though. i may have told you this, but they looked at my wear patterns and said i was running in them perfectly with no hints of heel striking. he said if that continues to be the case, then there would be no difference in the motion vs the distance. we'll see. that is actually something i'm not too worried about. .....plus my new ones look cooler i love the pink. they match my outfit for the underwear run that's happening the day before loo TTT: the only doubts i had were fleeting. a friend of mine, nate spong, did TTT and placid this year. he actually placed top ten in his AG (m 35-39!!!!). he told me that he felt like TTT impacted his training too much. as you can see on the previous page, scott said he plans the training periods so that TTT is in the highest volume week and is followed by a rest week. i'm beyond the point of questioning him at this point, so TTT it is! i completely agree with your assessment of TTT and the reasons to do it solo. how well you know me. i will definitely be heeding both your and scotts words on that (the men in my life). on usat points. that's annoying, yes....but i'm of the feeling that those small points here and there will even out in the end. some days you'll lose points to another person, other days you'll gain them. anyway, i'm exhausted, and i need to be running by 7am. ugh. the weekends kill me. early saturday rides and early sunday runs. next sunday do you know what's on my schedule?!? ....a 30 min run. i CANNOT wait to sleep in!!!!! |
2010-07-31 8:58 PM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL jess, congrats on a biking milestone. it's so fund to hit those!!! it sounds like you did really well. i'm definitely not signing up for eagleman next year, but there are enough of our team doing it that we have already discussed coming to spectate, so we'll see you get your revenge on the eagle!!!!
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2010-07-31 10:28 PM in reply to: #1896958 |
Master 1547 | Subject: RE: stevebradley's Mentor Group FULL 22 mile runs...70 mile rides. Ahhh...the joy of training. I am so far from those milestones right now it stinks. Injuries stink. In fact today I was thinking when I came in from my meager 30 mile ride. I thought man, riding 112 miles is a pretty big deal. My wofe reminded me that swimming before and running a freaking marathon after is a pretty big deal. IMAZ was anticlimactic for me at the time. it sometimes takes a step back to appreciate your accomplishments. As for me today...I only got in 2hr10min so will go for that 3hr ride tomorrow. I am already behind in the plan on the run but I can't really worry about it. Good news is that I had 3 solid weeks of 7-8hrs training. THis should help me starting monday when the training has me going 9 hrs (without the run). I am considering changing the run portion of my plan to one with a long run of 16-18 miles one or two times. I am looking ahead and seeing several runs in the 18-22 range and just think I am setting myself up to miss those milestones getting a late start on the run. We'll see. |
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