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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tim- Awesome video! Looking at the swim, there was one thing I noticed. When you go to take a breath, you start to pull with your opposite arm too soon. (I caught this because it was what I had to spend a great deal of time on to improve, and still need to focus on when I get tired). Your arm should stay out in front of you while you are breathing, and when you stick your face back into the water, then you should begin pulling. It has helped me with my forward momentum. You can do one arm swimming drills with the non-pulling arm straight out in front of you (breathe to the opposite side as your extended arm) to help improve this. The bike and run looked pretty good to me. I'm not as well versed in bike positioning, but if you do go for a more agressive aero position, just make sure it doesn't force you to tense up your arms and shoulder and that you can stay relaxed in your upper body.
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Skinny Arm Brian - 2012-01-24 1:53 PM razorxp - 2012-01-24 10:28 AM kcgolf - 2012-01-23 11:42 PM In about 15 minutes it will be 199 Days until NYC IM - Wow - I better get to work. KC
I will be there to cheer you on! lol How are you feeling? Are you going to be cheering for him as you race? At this point no, I will be enjoying a beverage. If my testing goes well and they can figure out my back issue Friday then maybe racing. Problem is I still have trouble getting my glute & hamstring to even fire plus when those don't work everything else tries to compensate causing other issues. Not a big deal as my main goal is to get healthy for the rest of my life not for a tri in august. :-) |
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Best advice I can give you is not to move your dreadmill any further forward :-)
On the swim who teaches you to make an "S"? never heard that one. You are correct not very aggressive in areo but thats not a bad thing if its comfortable. Its great to be super areo but if your back is killing and your producing less power then its not worth it. will look at later when home though. |
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New user ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() IronTim - love it! That is a great video. Other than what Dave and Jennifer already said, I have nothing else to add. You're running form looks great. What I learned in the ChiRunning workshop I took is to basically just fall forward and let your legs catch you. Your foot should fall below/slightly behind your hips, which will automatically result in the midfoot strike. Jennifers - that is great feedback. I noticed in the pool yesterday that I do the same thing: pull too soon. I'll have to work on that. So I've finally ecided to do it on my own this year. I'm going to spend the money instead on a power meter. Now the only question is PowerTap or Quarq? Decisions, decisions. I've downloaded a training plan and am ready to get started. So far it's just kind of been willy nilly...power plate, boxing, etc. Last night's swim was great, except my new goggles sucked. Got in a good 2400yds. Tonight I'm going to do a run test to establish my base. It's gonna be a cold one! |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KeriKadi - 2012-01-24 9:24 AM LOL I meant 3-4 hours Jennifers - 2012-01-23 7:09 PM Question for everyone- what nutrition do you use while training and racing? I am starting to think about things to try while training to figure out a plan for IMWI. I have been using the Ironman Perform while training, and if I dilute it, I can handle that rather well. For Racine HIM, I used pretzels on the bike (helped force me to drink lots of water on a hot day as well!) and shorter races I use Accelgel.
Never done a full but in training for my half I loved Fig Newtons. I don't mind chews and gels but for something longer than 3-4 miles I want some kind of real food. I've also don't PB&J. I even ate Newtons during the bike portion and then switched to Chomps which I really like and some of their flavors have caffeine. FYI Accel is coming out with a gel that has 100mg of caffeine. I tried the chocolate during my long run last week and it went well, I liked it. ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() saskat - 2012-01-24 5:13 PM IronTim - love it! That is a great video. Other than what Dave and Jennifer already said, I have nothing else to add. You're running form looks great. What I learned in the ChiRunning workshop I took is to basically just fall forward and let your legs catch you. Your foot should fall below/slightly behind your hips, which will automatically result in the midfoot strike. Jennifers - that is great feedback. I noticed in the pool yesterday that I do the same thing: pull too soon. I'll have to work on that. So I've finally ecided to do it on my own this year. I'm going to spend the money instead on a power meter. Now the only question is PowerTap or Quarq? Decisions, decisions. I've downloaded a training plan and am ready to get started. So far it's just kind of been willy nilly...power plate, boxing, etc. Last night's swim was great, except my new goggles sucked. Got in a good 2400yds. Tonight I'm going to do a run test to establish my base. It's gonna be a cold one!
Have you thought of the new pedal based meters? I think those would be great if you have multiple bikes |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey Team. Long day today-just got home-on my blackberry and heading to the wrapper-will look at posting I missed tomorrow. I did take a quick look at your vid late this aft Tim - you are amazing-nice work- will look at it more tomorrow- I probably won't have much to say but if I see something I will let you know-good night team |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tim, The things I noticed on your swim:
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jennifers - 2012-01-24 8:56 PM Tim- Awesome video! Looking at the swim, there was one thing I noticed. When you go to take a breath, you start to pull with your opposite arm too soon. (I caught this because it was what I had to spend a great deal of time on to improve, and still need to focus on when I get tired). Your arm should stay out in front of you while you are breathing, and when you stick your face back into the water, then you should begin pulling. It has helped me with my forward momentum. You can do one arm swimming drills with the non-pulling arm straight out in front of you (breathe to the opposite side as your extended arm) to help improve this. Cool we spotted the same. Not sure if I follow/agree with your reasoning. The timing of when to pull shouldn't differ between a stroke where you breath in from the stroke where you don't. In timing it should remain the same. Or in other words. Your rythm dictates how long you get to breath in. However I do think your tips would result to the same as I would advocate a bit more gliding in Tim's stroke meaning the pull of both arms would start later in the cyclus then currently the case. Also I don't think Tim is really pulling his arm at the beginning when he breaths. It looks more that it drops which has 2 bad results:
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() off to work, another long day, 12 hrs in the woods, should be fun at least the weather is nice out...hopefully Ill get home early enough to get a run in, I hate running in the dark.... |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() razorxp - 2012-01-24 9:26 AM Jennifers - 2012-01-23 8:09 PM Happy Monday to everyone!! Today was a day off (had to rearrange due to school starting) and I was glad it was a day off, but I will say I am eager to get back to it tomorrow. On tap- Masters swim and lifting early AM, followed by CT ride in the evening. Music Monday...one of my favorite songs to listen to while training is Good Feeling by Flo Rida. Sometimes I need lyrics with some motivation, and the second verse has some good lines in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OnnDqH6Wj8 Question for everyone- what nutrition do you use while training and racing? I am starting to think about things to try while training to figure out a plan for IMWI. I have been using the Ironman Perform while training, and if I dilute it, I can handle that rather well. For Racine HIM, I used pretzels on the bike (helped force me to drink lots of water on a hot day as well!) and shorter races I use Accelgel.
I only drink on longer workouts (2+hrs) and eat on (3+hr) workouts. Not sure if is the best thing but I just don't eat while training usually. The perform is not my favorite but works in a pinch, but it does have a huge design flaw. They made the bottle mostly black and when its sunny and hot the drink is almost hot. For OLY races I may do 1 pack of chomps on the bike, other than that at 2ish hours should not need too much. I love the pretzles but not sure there is enough nutrition for a full IM. Right now I use the bonk breakers or crustables. Some like fig nutons. I think Iceman uses honeystingers. Its all personal pref as it needs to sit in your stomach.
I worry about weight even with burning 3000 plus on a slow day. I only eat during 3 hours or more on training. Going to try Accelerade. People love it because of the added protein. We shall see. I use Hammer Perpetuleum for long races half IM or more. Worked great for IM Wis. I do best with liquids mostly. I did each salty stuff and drank chicken broth on the run due to cramps on the bike. I used Hammer endorolyte power in the perpetuleum and was heavy with it but it was not enough apparently. It was OK for a half IM though. Going to test Salt Stick this year. They have the most salt supposedly and I am a sweater indeed. need to get it right for IM Wis. 2013, at least that's the plan now. Goal is about 250 to 300 cals per hour on long workouts and races and start at the beginning. Before the swim and right off the swim...if we wait and get into too much deficit we can't come close to keeping up. We won't keep up anyway, but we need to fuel what we can to keep reserves high. Tim, I'll look at the video, but how much I can help, I dunno. I don't know a lot. Learning as I go from people like you. Anyone doing IM Wis., Vision Quest out of Chicago is running several group rides up there. Open to anyone I think. Cheap. Check it out. Good intel and supported. Also when you are up there get the name of the bike shop midway... I have it and will look for it. They sag (for a price) on your training rides. But good to have a back up.
Had a really fun new SE bike workout yesterday where you hold 55 rpm for several minutes and then crank up to 90 rpm with high resistance for 20 secs 5 times, then high cadence to 120 rpm for 10 mins. and then 5 more SE mashers. Swam yesterday. I figured out that I was not flexible enough before kettlebells to bring my hands close to my head and reach on the stroke. Now I am so that is making the core swing from side to side much more fluid, not forced or artificial. Funny how things come together like that. More strength training and an hour run tonight. Have a great day. Ice.
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() MANDOWN - 2012-01-25 7:45 AM off to work, another long day, 12 hrs in the woods, should be fun at least the weather is nice out...hopefully Ill get home early enough to get a run in, I hate running in the dark....
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() IceManScott - 2012-01-25 8:32 AM razorxp - 2012-01-24 9:26 AM Jennifers - 2012-01-23 8:09 PM Anyone doing IM Wis., Vision Quest out of Chicago is running several group rides up there. Open to anyone I think. Cheap. Check it out. Good intel and supported. Also when you are up there get the name of the bike shop midway... I have it and will look for it. They sag (for a price) on your training rides. But good to have a back up.
Had a really fun new SE bike workout yesterday where you hold 55 rpm for several minutes and then crank up to 90 room with high resistance for 20 secs 5 times, then high cadence to 120 rpm for 10 mins. and then 5 more SE mashers. Swam yesterday. I figured out that I was not flexible enough before kettlebells to bring my hands close to my head and reach on the stroke. Now I am so that is making the core swing from side to side much more fluid, not forced or artificial. Funny how things come together like that. More strength training and an hour run tonight. Have a great day. Ice.
Scott I that is a "fun" bike workout, during the 20sec push it feels like your legs are jelly. Nice work with the kettleballs, I am sure it is helping with more than your swimming. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Officially signed up for pumpkinman HIM last night. It's in September so I will hopefully just transition from my marathon over to HIM. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jenny - Thanks for the swim tip! I think I see what you are talking about. I will have to focus on that during my drills. I do the one arm drills but probably am just re-enforcing my bad habit since I was not aware of what I was doing. Jennifers - 2012-01-24 1:56 PM Tim- Awesome video! Looking at the swim, there was one thing I noticed. When you go to take a breath, you start to pull with your opposite arm too soon. (I caught this because it was what I had to spend a great deal of time on to improve, and still need to focus on when I get tired). Your arm should stay out in front of you while you are breathing, and when you stick your face back into the water, then you should begin pulling. It has helped me with my forward momentum. You can do one arm swimming drills with the non-pulling arm straight out in front of you (breathe to the opposite side as your extended arm) to help improve this. The bike and run looked pretty good to me. I'm not as well versed in bike positioning, but if you do go for a more agressive aero position, just make sure it doesn't force you to tense up your arms and shoulder and that you can stay relaxed in your upper body.
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cheekymonkeys1 - 2012-01-25 8:51 AM Scott - IMWI 2013? Uh, Is this breaking news or did I miss a post or 3? Don't know. I've been thinking about it. Probably will. This year is to go shorter and go harder, faster...pick up the pace, get stronger. I think I can cut lots off the bike and some off the run so... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks Stijn! I will focus on the more of a glide in my stroke. For the bike - I use that Profile Design Fast Forward seat to actually get more forward and more over the crank. David/Scott - what are your thought on this? I know in the past we have talked about getting into this position but do you think I am too far forward. I have serious concerns about my position on the bike seeing as that I have done a lot of modifications and fitting on my own - and worried that when I start getting up over 4 hours on the bike I will start feeling it. It's kind of a mute point though because I can't afford a new bike so I am pretty much stuck with making the best of what I have. With the running - I have really worked over the past three years at shortening my stride and working on my form to help prevent injury. I agree and maybe it doesn't reflect well on the treadmill. In the video I am running at a nice easy 10:00/pace which is basically gonna be around my target pace for my IM long runs. I am not sure if I want to lean more forward though for distance running as it would put more strain on my calves. I am thinking if I was increasing my speed or running at 5K/10K pace then I think that woudl be required. Thoughts? Thanks again for taking the time to watch and give me some pointers! Niezels - 2012-01-25 2:48 AM Tim, The things I noticed on your swim:
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Glad to see youa re getting back in the swing of things. Wish I could help you with the power meter but that is something I am clueless on. They don't make power meters for mid-1990's trek 6-speeds- haha I would take David's advice on the new pedal meters. they look really cool. I actually posted a link on those a few weeks back on www.thetriathlonreport.com. http://bicycling.com/blogs/thisjustin/2011/08/19/garmin-unveils-vector-pedal-based-power-meter/ saskat - 2012-01-24 4:13 PM IronTim - love it! That is a great video. Other than what Dave and Jennifer already said, I have nothing else to add. You're running form looks great. What I learned in the ChiRunning workshop I took is to basically just fall forward and let your legs catch you. Your foot should fall below/slightly behind your hips, which will automatically result in the midfoot strike. Jennifers - that is great feedback. I noticed in the pool yesterday that I do the same thing: pull too soon. I'll have to work on that. So I've finally ecided to do it on my own this year. I'm going to spend the money instead on a power meter. Now the only question is PowerTap or Quarq? Decisions, decisions. I've downloaded a training plan and am ready to get started. So far it's just kind of been willy nilly...power plate, boxing, etc. Last night's swim was great, except my new goggles sucked. Got in a good 2400yds. Tonight I'm going to do a run test to establish my base. It's gonna be a cold one! Edited by tmoran80 2012-01-25 9:19 AM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Nice! Just make sure to give yourself a small break between the training - I did the exact same thing last year - ran my marathon in April, took one day off and right into HIM training for July race. By end of May in and I was so burned out and ruined my training last year. cheekymonkeys1 - 2012-01-25 8:54 AM Officially signed up for pumpkinman HIM last night. It's in September so I will hopefully just transition from my marathon over to HIM. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ICE MAN IMWI 2013 - YES!!! Are you going to give yourself a hernia before the 2103 race to keep an even playing field because it just wouldn't be fair to compare the times from 2011 to 2013? For the new members of the group - Scott trained and raced IMWI with a hernia and didn't tell anyone because he was afraid they wouldn't let him race. I had the honor of riding my bike next to him with him the last 6 miles of the run to the finish line and he didn't even complain once! I ended up finding out when he posted it the next day. Truly inspiring. IceManScott - 2012-01-25 9:12 AM cheekymonkeys1 - 2012-01-25 8:51 AM Scott - IMWI 2013? Uh, Is this breaking news or did I miss a post or 3? Don't know. I've been thinking about it. Probably will. This year is to go shorter and go harder, faster...pick up the pace, get stronger. I think I can cut lots off the bike and some off the run so... |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() im in a tactical mantracking class all week, learning on how to track down your suspect, or lost individuals utiliziing footprints or other evidence left behind, its been some good training so far...... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Pretty cool. But what if they aren't in the woods? MANDOWN - 2012-01-25 11:01 AM im in a tactical mantracking class all week, learning on how to track down your suspect, or lost individuals utiliziing footprints or other evidence left behind, its been some good training so far...... |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tmoran80 - 2012-01-25 9:49 AM ICE MAN IMWI 2013 - YES!!! Are you going to give yourself a hernia before the 2103 race to keep an even playing field because it just wouldn't be fair to compare the times from 2011 to 2013? For the new members of the group - Scott trained and raced IMWI with a hernia and didn't tell anyone because he was afraid they wouldn't let him race. I had the honor of riding my bike next to him with him the last 6 miles of the run to the finish line and he didn't even complain once! I ended up finding out when he posted it the next day. Truly inspiring. IceManScott - 2012-01-25 9:12 AM cheekymonkeys1 - 2012-01-25 8:51 AM Scott - IMWI 2013? Uh, Is this breaking news or did I miss a post or 3? Don't know. I've been thinking about it. Probably will. This year is to go shorter and go harder, faster...pick up the pace, get stronger. I think I can cut lots off the bike and some off the run so...
Thanks Tim. I am going to do all I can to avoid another hernia - or any other injury for that matter. Two surgeries since IM, and I think I am in one piece again for the first time since the big C in 2006. Remember, as a friend of mine likes to say, a female, "If it were easy, they'd call it Panty Man."
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This is so True, no wonder why I make fun of this activity! lol
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