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2011-01-03 9:28 AM
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2011-01-03 9:32 AM
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gabrelsj - 2010-12-30 9:53 AM i have a training plan question.  when it says 200yd kick does that mean with or without fins?

thanks in advance.


Either way is fine. I usually do it without fins.
2011-01-03 9:34 AM
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lamb_y2003 - 2011-01-01 9:35 PM Woke up this morning to a new year and registered for the HIM I've been "pretty sure I'm going to register for".  Bought a bike trainer yesterday but they didn't have a riser for it (well they did but it was $75 and I would rather cut a piece of 2x4 than spend that on a riser block) so it'll be in play as of tomorrow or Monday.  Kids go back to school and then I'm back on the road to run and in my living room to ride.  

Woo hoo!


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2011-01-03 9:38 AM
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Kicking: DO IT! Kicking works your posterior chain in a way that biking and running don't. Doing your kick work in the pool will not only help you with your swimming, but with your bike and run as well.
During a race, it's better to keep your kicking to a minimum, but the best way to do that is to practice kicking in your swim training so you have the ability to back off on your kick during a race. In other words, if you are doing a triatlon and want to have a great run, you have to back off on the bike. But if you don't ride your bike a lot, you won't have the ability to "back off" because you will only have one speed - slow! It's the same with kicking. If you never improve your kicking, you won't have the ability to back off during a race.
2011-01-03 9:40 AM
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I've missed my long run workout each of the past 2 weeks and my nutrition has been way off.  I really felt like a bum until I got out this morning to train.  Legs really feel refreshed.  Maybe I needed a little break.  Anyway approx. 2 months until my 1st half mary.  Time to dial it in.
2011-01-03 9:42 AM
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I'd also like to say that in practicing kicking I find that I become more efficient at it.  I can back off in a race now and get the same output I did when I first started.


2011-01-03 4:27 PM
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Just finished my swim workout for today. It said to do backstroke for about 25m but I tend to just kick really hard on my back. I haven't done backstroke since I was 11 and don't really feel the need to learn how to do it efficiently, I can always rely on good old breast stroke if I am having a bad swim.

A few questions that popped into my head during and after my swim.
1) Do any of you actually finish in the timeframe the swim workouts call for? I am getting much closer to the time than weeks ago. But I still don't see how I could shave 10 more minutes off of my time either by taking less breaks (down to about a minute) or going faster (not right now).

2) This is going to be vague, but does anyone have a problem with water getting into their mouth during a breath? I never take in a ton of water. It is usually just a few drops (less than an ounce). But geez does it add up to a lot after a workout. Any ideas on how to correct this? I try to blow it out when my head is in the water but it really effects me mentally during my breathing.

I was finally able to finish my sets with good form (for me) throughout the set. Wow what a time savings, even when I didn't feel like I was doing much effort. My 1/4 mile lost 20 seconds from having a better pull throughout all of the laps.
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2011-01-03 7:38 PM
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jaegee - 2011-01-03 4:27 PM Just finished my swim workout for today. It said to do backstroke for about 25m but I tend to just kick really hard on my back. I haven't done backstroke since I was 11 and don't really feel the need to learn how to do it efficiently, I can always rely on good old breast stroke if I am having a bad swim.

A few questions that popped into my head during and after my swim.
1) Do any of you actually finish in the timeframe the swim workouts call for? I am getting much closer to the time than weeks ago. But I still don't see how I could shave 10 more minutes off of my time either by taking less breaks (down to about a minute) or going faster (not right now).

2) This is going to be vague, but does anyone have a problem with water getting into their mouth during a breath? I never take in a ton of water. It is usually just a few drops (less than an ounce). But geez does it add up to a lot after a workout. Any ideas on how to correct this? I try to blow it out when my head is in the water but it really effects me mentally during my breathing.

I was finally able to finish my sets with good form (for me) throughout the set. Wow what a time savings, even when I didn't feel like I was doing much effort. My 1/4 mile lost 20 seconds from having a better pull throughout all of the laps.


Good for you and yes to both.  I don't take in tons of water either.  We are a bit different though if its as you describe.  Usually I take in none and sometimes I take in a little more than a few drops.  I think it's just getting farther into your swim roll and really getting your mouth upwards rather than sidewards.  Definitely always blow out of your nose in the water, whether you swallowed water or not.  Also, are you breathing bilateraly? 
2011-01-03 7:58 PM
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Yah, most of the time I am breathing bilaterally. Why do you say breathe out of my nose? I tend to do a bit of both, through the nose and through the mouth. Is it just to try to control the breathing a bit more or is there another reason for it?
2011-01-04 8:41 AM
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Started transitioning from lifting heavy this week.  Makes me sad.  Brick this morning.  21 miles on the bike then almost 3 on foot.


2011-01-04 11:11 AM
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Starting week 3 of this training program! I really like it. It is comprehensive and have been able to do the workouts with only minor modifications. This is my 4th tri season and I am signed up to do the Gulf Coast HIM in May. Nervous about fitting in the longer workouts, and I defnitely have some work to do on my nutrition. Anyone else doing GCT?
2011-01-04 1:00 PM
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bill2059 - 2011-01-04 11:11 AM Starting week 3 of this training program! I really like it. It is comprehensive and have been able to do the workouts with only minor modifications. This is my 4th tri season and I am signed up to do the Gulf Coast HIM in May. Nervous about fitting in the longer workouts, and I defnitely have some work to do on my nutrition. Anyone else doing GCT?


I actually never knew about this.  Maybe another year...I'm doing HIM New Orleans maybe 3 weeks before. 
2011-01-04 1:30 PM
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My wife and I have been doing olympic distance triathlons for the past 3 or 4 years and have entered the triathlon Alpe D'Huez in the French Alps, which is over the 1/2 Ironman distance. We're looking for a training plan that fits with us both working full-time.

I like the training plan on this site but the number of hours/week seems shorter than most other plans I've seen. This plan goes up to around 10 hours per week whereas others go up to 13 or more.

The question is: is building up to a max of around 10 hours per week sufficient for a 1/2 Ironman with the demands of the alps (i.e. bike leg includes Tour de France climbs and the run is at altitude)?

Any comments much appreciated.
2011-01-04 2:33 PM
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Had that thought, weighing lake Ponchitrain against the Gulf...and I am swimming in the Ocean! Should be an adventure anyway. Good Luck with NOL, I will be curious to hear what it is like.
2011-01-04 2:34 PM
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kevjhartley - 2011-01-04 1:30 PM

My wife and I have been doing olympic distance triathlons for the past 3 or 4 years and have entered the triathlon Alpe D'Huez in the French Alps, which is over the 1/2 Ironman distance. We're looking for a training plan that fits with us both working full-time.

I like the training plan on this site but the number of hours/week seems shorter than most other plans I've seen. This plan goes up to around 10 hours per week whereas others go up to 13 or more.

The question is: is building up to a max of around 10 hours per week sufficient for a 1/2 Ironman with the demands of the alps (i.e. bike leg includes Tour de France climbs and the run is at altitude)?

Any comments much appreciated.



I would think it depends mostly on where you train (mountains vs. flats) rather than just putting in more volume.

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bill2059 - 2011-01-04 11:11 AM Starting week 3 of this training program! I really like it. It is comprehensive and have been able to do the workouts with only minor modifications. This is my 4th tri season and I am signed up to do the Gulf Coast HIM in May. Nervous about fitting in the longer workouts, and I defnitely have some work to do on my nutrition. Anyone else doing GCT?


i plan on doing gct as well.  i did one sprint last year.  i am very nervous about nutrition.  everything i have used seems to give me trouble.
2011-01-04 3:35 PM
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uhcoog - 2011-01-04 8:41 AM Started transitioning from lifting heavy this week.  Makes me sad.  Brick this morning.  21 miles on the bike then almost 3 on foot.


Short term re-adjustment of goals is ok. The lifting will be there when you are done with the triathlon.
2011-01-04 3:37 PM
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bill2059 - 2011-01-04 11:11 AM Starting week 3 of this training program! I really like it. It is comprehensive and have been able to do the workouts with only minor modifications. This is my 4th tri season and I am signed up to do the Gulf Coast HIM in May. Nervous about fitting in the longer workouts, and I defnitely have some work to do on my nutrition. Anyone else doing GCT?


Welcome! Gulf coast is a great race...I am sure you will enjoy it!
2011-01-04 3:40 PM
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kevjhartley - 2011-01-04 1:30 PM My wife and I have been doing olympic distance triathlons for the past 3 or 4 years and have entered the triathlon Alpe D'Huez in the French Alps, which is over the 1/2 Ironman distance. We're looking for a training plan that fits with us both working full-time.

I like the training plan on this site but the number of hours/week seems shorter than most other plans I've seen. This plan goes up to around 10 hours per week whereas others go up to 13 or more.

The question is: is building up to a max of around 10 hours per week sufficient for a 1/2 Ironman with the demands of the alps (i.e. bike leg includes Tour de France climbs and the run is at altitude)?

Any comments much appreciated.


As another poster said, I think a lot depends on where you live and prior experience. Lots of people have reported that they added to the cycling time for this plan as they had the time and wanted to develop beyond just "finishing" the race to having a more aggressive bike split. You might want to consider adding 10% to the long rides on this plan, or keep the plan but make sure your routes are hilly.
Congrats on taking on such a cool challenge! I am sure it will be a great experience.
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hi i am 14 and doing my first triatholon in April. how do i train for the swim portion when i have no access to any pools? i need help like, now.


2011-01-05 7:25 AM
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So far the new year seems to be treating me well.  Tried pushing a little harder on the runs only to strain my right IT band so decided to do swim and bike workouts the past 2 days to let it recover before hitting the road again today.  8mi run today followed by a 3000m swim should put me to bed tonight.  How's everyone else's training?  And by the way, I totally agree about the kicking drills.  Absolutely killer!  So much energy consumed without much distance covered.

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2011-01-05 8:54 AM
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Tri Take Me Away - 2011-01-04 3:35 PM
uhcoog - 2011-01-04 8:41 AM Started transitioning from lifting heavy this week.  Makes me sad.  Brick this morning.  21 miles on the bike then almost 3 on foot.


Short term re-adjustment of goals is ok. The lifting will be there when you are done with the triathlon.


I know.  I was kidding...... kind of.  Been a part of my life for a LONG time.  Just feels weird.  Hopefully I'll have a bit fresher legs.
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Greetings friends! Finally getting back into real life after a whirlwind of family crisis, holiday excitement, and travel. I've been able to keep up with my swimming (and trying desperately to do those kick drills Smile) and running in spite of uncooperative snow, ice, and unusually cold temps! I am considering backing out of my HIM (April 2) because of the bike... I've had to do almost all of my training on a spin bike, and still have no means of replacing my bike (stolen months ago). My husband is laid off again so even "inexpensive" bikes on craigslist and such are not an option. Somehow we don't know anybody with an old bike sitting around in the garage or anything!!!!

I'll keep up with the plan and keep you all posted. It will work out one way or another!
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awesomeskaterdude - 2011-01-04 5:57 PM hi i am 14 and doing my first triatholon in April. how do i train for the swim portion when i have no access to any pools? i need help like, now.


Well, you need to find a pool. Not much else I can tell you, other than if you live in Florida or Southern California you can find an open water swim group to train with.
Is there some point between now and your race when you WILL have access to a pool? Are there really NO pools in your area that have a drop-in fee or anything?
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