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2010-04-27 10:19 AM
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I just read that article this weekend.  It was some good info for my first ride.  Hill ascents at lunch today, have to put it to use again!


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brick94513 - 2010-04-26 2:34 PM If anyone is looking for swim workout ideas, I use this webpage quite often:

http://www.ntcmastersswim.blogspot.com/

These workouts are developed by Sara McLarty for the NTC master's swim.


I did one of these last night. The set of 3x300 pull w/ 30 sec. rest interval was fun. =)
2010-04-27 11:11 AM
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roger loud and clear on the cadence info! thanks!

im eagerly awaiting my cadence meter now so i can see exactly what gear 88-92 will be...
2010-04-27 11:21 AM
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brick94513 - 2010-04-27 9:39 AM
KidIcarus - 2010-04-27 4:13 AM so im curious as to everyone's opinion on my situation.  i could really use the input:

i just bought my bike a few weeks ago.  rode it a few times but didn't push it because i could tell i needed to get it fit since it didn't feel right at all.  i went and got my fitting done last week, then went out for a 75mins (25 miles) ride.  left knee was pretty sore the following day.  so my question is this:  is that NORMAL for a beginner cyclist?  would anyone experience something similar?  or do you think its more indicative of either my fittings being off (the fitter told me afterward that if i had any ankle or knee weirdness to call him and bring the bike back to get tweaked, so it must happen on occasion, right?) or my knee maybe just having a bad attitude? =P

I started taking spin classes two months ago, bc although I didn't have a bike, I knew I needed to start building bike muscles.  I had NEVER had a single day of knee soreness before.  Once I started to spin 5 days a week, it would get a little tender, but nothing that persisted or gave me much trouble.

Just curious if anyone has had a similar issue or have heard something like this from anyone else during their time here.  I just can't afford to lose any training time and need to address this properly and immediately.  Thanks guys!


Yes, I would say this is common, especially if you don't have cycling experience.   The pain is not necessarily muscle, but rather connective tissue.  It takes a long time for your body to acclimate to the stress of the repetitive motion demands you are placing on it.

With that said, you need to start slow and build.  Pay close attention to volume and intensity and gradually build over the months.  Also, as metioned, keep your pedaling cadence light and fast.  Do not mash at the pedals.  Instead, focus on a circular motion as you pedal.  You will almost get the feeling of sliding your feet forward at the top and backward at the bottom.  Mashing in bigger gears with an asymmetrical rhythm is not only detrimental, but slower in the long run.


I Think I now Know why After running 15 miles several times I had to walk the last 3 miles of a 10 mile run Saturday because of Knee pain.  Guess that bike ride did more than my AZZ in LOL!! my knee is fine now but I'll have to remember to limit my run distance in days after bike rides for a while I guess. 
2010-04-27 11:25 AM
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Yesterdays workout was Boxing 5 rouunds with 1 pound gloves 3 min rounds with 1 minit break between rounds. After 5 rounds I rowed for 30 minuits on the C2 rower.  Yes I know neither of these have a dam thing to do with Tri but the pool don't open for a couple more weeks so I have to try and get upper body endurance up somehow. 
2010-04-27 11:43 AM
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^^ regarding not having a pool available, anybody ever use swim bands of some sort?


2010-04-27 12:00 PM
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shmeeg - 2010-04-27 11:43 AM ^^ regarding not having a pool available, anybody ever use swim bands of some sort?


yes, My swim coach had me using them on the last 50 of every set.  They keep your elbows bent to give you the feel of bending your elbow as your hands pass your chest under the water.  First time I used them I though I was going to drown!! LOL  I don't use them currently, but like other tools, you're supposed to use them every once in a while to get the feel of proper form but not get dependant


***nevermind, I think you're talking about out of pool training.

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2010-04-27 12:11 PM
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lol, yeah i was talking about something to hook on the bedroom door and 'air swim' Laughing
2010-04-27 1:03 PM
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shmeeg - 2010-04-27 11:43 AM ^^ regarding not having a pool available, anybody ever use swim bands of some sort?


The former olympic trials guy I swim with brings lots of toys to the pool. He brings resistance bands and uses them before doing sets of 50's or 100's. I tried it for the first time last week and he tells me that if you do it right, it builds strength and gives you a "passing gear". It was surprisingly difficult and I immediately felt the burn in my deltoids & triceps. I'm not sure if he uses them at home as a substitute for swimming though.
2010-04-27 4:24 PM
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KidIcarus - 2010-04-27 8:13 AM so im curious as to everyone's opinion on my situation.  i could really use the input:

i just bought my bike a few weeks ago.  rode it a few times but didn't push it because i could tell i needed to get it fit since it didn't feel right at all.  i went and got my fitting done last week, then went out for a 75mins (25 miles) ride.  left knee was pretty sore the following day.  so my question is this:  is that NORMAL for a beginner cyclist?  would anyone experience something similar?  or do you think its more indicative of either my fittings being off (the fitter told me afterward that if i had any ankle or knee weirdness to call him and bring the bike back to get tweaked, so it must happen on occasion, right?) or my knee maybe just having a bad attitude? =P

I started taking spin classes two months ago, bc although I didn't have a bike, I knew I needed to start building bike muscles.  I had NEVER had a single day of knee soreness before.  Once I started to spin 5 days a week, it would get a little tender, but nothing that persisted or gave me much trouble.

Just curious if anyone has had a similar issue or have heard something like this from anyone else during their time here.  I just can't afford to lose any training time and need to address this properly and immediately.  Thanks guys!


I have been amazed how cleat position affects you joints.

Fore/aft, rotated, etc.

Small difference may not seem like much, but rotating 100*minute&75minutes,= 7500 rotations.  Small twists can hurt with much repitition.

 I agree with others, that some might be "newness", but I would ensure cleat position is correct.  You could touch base with the fitter...

JMHO

I had various aches & pains last summer & found a small change in cleat position,changed things drastically! 
2010-04-27 4:26 PM
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KidIcarus - 2010-04-27 1:11 PM roger loud and clear on the cadence info! thanks!

im eagerly awaiting my cadence meter now so i can see exactly what gear 88-92 will be...


That reminds me...I gotta install mine tonite!!!! 


2010-04-27 4:28 PM
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dont know if anyone is lookin for a higher end suit, got this through my team here. 

http://www.xterrawetsuits.com/earlysummer/?utm_source=april27newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=earlysummer
2010-04-27 6:52 PM
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"All work and no play makes Woody a dull boy"...  I'm in my improvised taper and did my OWS today (training log updated). Not sure at this time but I may also do a short run in a bit. 



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I don't know, SAWFISH50, that sounds like a good workout to me.
2010-04-27 7:55 PM
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Easy ride tonight. Cool and low humidity.... wanted to keep riding but had to go home and run.
2010-04-27 8:19 PM
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Rest day for me.  Did a quick spin on the bike trainer to loosen the legs, then spend about an hour streching and using the foam roller.  I really needed this today.

I might do a little upper body tonight, but really doubting it at this point!


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Swim + Bike.  Swim was awful, bike was great.  No body sense in the water / struggled.  Stationary bike was awesome -- kept 80 RPMs for first time while ramping up intensity through 5 x 12 minute intervals.  Stretched afterwards and felt great.  Felt even better when I picked up some Sushi as a treat.
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I'm the idiot that keeps training with an upper respiratory infection.  LOL  Quick lower body weights at the gym downtown and a quick and easy 22 mile ride when I came home with some hill drills to prepare for Iola.  Brrrrrrrrrrrrr it's cold and windy out there I can't feel my toes!Laughing
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croixfan - 2010-04-27 7:11 PM Swim + Bike.  Swim was awful, bike was great.  No body sense in the water / struggled.  Stationary bike was awesome -- kept 80 RPMs for first time while ramping up intensity through 5 x 12 minute intervals.  Stretched afterwards and felt great.  Felt even better when I picked up some Sushi as a treat.


Nice work.  The stationary bike is a great way to get a feel for cadence since it displays RPM.  Hang in there on the swim.
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With the recent rain here, I thought I would post a little somethin' to keep you guys busy indoors:

From Lee Gardner, USAT I Coach....

1. Little Ring/Big Ring Brick -- This is a bike-run brick.

Warm Up: Begin on the bike trainer by warming up with 15 to 20 minutes, starting with easy spinning, and building to a comfortable, steady effort.
Bike Set: Choose a gearing using your small chain ring that increases your heart rate to about 85-90% LTHR and puts your cadence at 90-95rpm. Additionally, choose a gearing using your large chain ring that keeps your heart rate the same, however your cadence will change to 75-80 rpm. Do 3x(5 minutes Little Ring/5 minutes Big Ring) on 2 minutes of recovery spinning in between the 10 minute intervals.
Run Set: Run on a treadmill for 20 minutes at a easy pace (~80-85% of LTHR). Keep your cadence quick and your form proud.

2. Duathlon Brick -- This is a run-bike-run brick.

Warm-up: Begin with some very easy jogging for about 10 minutes. Just enough to get you moving.
Run Set: 1 mile easy (only slightly faster than your warm up), 1 mile steady (~85-90% of LTHR).
Bike Set: Because you are already warmed up, once on your bike, get right to business: 3x(8 minutes at 85-90% of LTHR/2 minutes of recovery spinning). Keep your cycling cadence high at all times, about 90-95rpm.
Run Set: Run 1 mile, steady (hr @ 90% of LTHR); 1 mile easy, as a long cool down.

3. Hill Climb Brick -- This is a bike-run brick

Warm Up: Begin on the bike trainer by warming up with 15 to 20 minutes, starting with easy spinning, and building to a comfortable, steady effort.
Before moving on to the bike set of this workout, set up your bike so that the front wheel is elevated, as if you're biking uphill. I use a big thick phone book, but anything that will raise your front wheel higher than normal and is stable will do.
Bike Set: Divide the bike into three parts: 1. seated, pedaling with a cadence at about 80rpm for 10 minutes. 2. 5x(1 minute standing @ 70rpm and 1 minute seated @ 80rpm). 3. all seated, pedaling with a cadence at about 80rpm for 10 minutes.
Run Set: Run on a treadmill for 20 minutes at an easy pace (~80-85% of LTHR). Keep your cadence quick and your form proud.
*For an added challenge, put the treadmill at an incline greater than 2% for the first 10 minutes of the run. Remember, keep your heart rate in check (<90% of LTHR)

4. Aqua Run -- This is a swim-run brick.

The trick is getting on a treadmill as fast as possible. This will definitely take some time in transition, so be sure to be organized ahead of time. Of course, it's always an attention getter to see a dude in a Speedo running on a treadmill... For the swim set, you can use any swim workout or master's session that you prefer, followed by a run. For example, here is a swim workout I like:
Swim Set: Warm up - 200 freestyle swim, 100 kick with kickboard, 200 freestyle swim with pool buoy. Main set - 8x100 on 10 seconds rest, 2x400 on 20 seconds rest.
Run Set: 3x(1 mile, start easy and build to your LTHR). Finish with some easy jogging and walking.

5. The InsaneMan Brick -- This is a bike-run brick with extra insanity during the run.

Warm Up: Begin on the bike trainer by warming up with 15 to 20 minutes, starting with easy spinning, and building to a comfortable, steady effort.
Bike Set: 1x10 minutes of steady effort (85-90% LTHR) @ a cadence of 90-95rpm, 1x10 minutes of steady effort (85-90% LTHR) @ a cadence of 70-75rpm, 1x5 minutes of recovery effort, 1x10 minutes as: Four minutes at 90 rpm, Three minutes at 100 rpm, Two minutes at 110 rpm, One minute at 120+ rpm.
Run Set: Run 1 mile easy (get your legs under you), jump off of the treadmill and do 5-15 push-ups, run 1 mile easy (the trick now is to recover your heart rate while still running), jump off of the treadmill again and do 5-15 pull-ups, run 1 mile easy (again, heart rate control!)

Cheers!

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No run tonight... but pulled the Mercier out of the hangar and tossed a little 5 mile spin.  Already thinking about my next OWS.  Although I didnt have a clock on it, I suprisingly blew through todays swim (even with the wind surge and an ebbing tide).   Updating training log now.


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BigH2OChief - 2010-04-27 7:26 PM No run tonight... but pulled the Mercier out of the hangar and tossed a little 5 mile spin.  Already thinking about my next OWS.  Although I didnt have a clock on it, I suprisingly blew through todays swim (even with the wind surge and an ebbing tide).   Updating training log now.


I'm envious at how often you are getting in the open water.  You're going to kill the swim this weekend!
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QOTD: What do you drink during your long rides?

Ive been buying gatorade bottles, but I want to move to a powder so as to cut down on waste and make it more affordable.  Do you all have a brand you swear by?  Any particular reason: price, taste, how you feel?  Thanks all!


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KidIcarus - 2010-04-28 6:23 AM QOTD: What do you drink during your long rides?

Ive been buying gatorade bottles, but I want to move to a powder so as to cut down on waste and make it more affordable.  Do you all have a brand you swear by?  Any particular reason: price, taste, how you feel?  Thanks all!


I don't have a short answer for this question.

If you are talking about a simple electrolyte and complex carbohydrate mixture, I mix 1- 2 scoops of Hammer HEED into 24 ounces of water.  I will use this for training and/or races under two hours.

If longer than two hours, I drink plain water, but then use Hammer Perpetuem mixed in a multi-hour bottle according to body weight.  Perpetuem is basically a liquid meal with protein, fat, and carbohydrates.  I will also take electrolytes in the form of capsules at this point.

Finally, I will usually also mix Hammer Gel in a 50/50 porportion with water and carry it in a flask.  It provides a different taste after sucking on Perpetuem for hours and gives you a quick fuel to use at strategic points.

This is the short version, I could go on and on about nutrition.
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Anything under 2 hours training I just use water.  If more than 2 hours I'll use gatorade, but I'll fill 3/4 24oz bottle with 3 ice cubes gatorade and top it off with water.  I'll also carry gels and a power bar.  If under 2 hours I usually only use gel if I'm with friends I know will push me harder than I'm used to or I'm racing.
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