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2016-10-10 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

2016-10-10 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

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Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

My thoughts are inline with LB in that victims don't typically lie about stuff like this.  I will say one thing that does raise my BS flag is when the complaint is brought initially as a civil suit.  If there was a crime committed then you go to the police and report it.  If the police are unable to get a conviction due to a high bar to get over then by all means a civil suit is still practical and I have no problem with it.
However when there's no criminal complaint and the huffpo article states that this is the third time she's filed this civil claim.  That tells me it's been thrown out as baseless twice already so I get even more skeptical.

I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm a bigger supporter of real victims of sexual assault so along with LB, this would be a deal breaker if it were true. 

The first time it was thrown out by the judge because she didn't properly file the paperwork. She also didn't have a lawyer and was trying to do it on her own. The second time (with lawyers this time) she voluntarily dismissed the lawsuit so that they could refile it with testimony from a witness.

On a side note, I don't believe any of Bill's accusers ever went to the police. Doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed.  

There is such a poetic irony that Bill Clinton tried to have his Paula Jones lawsuit either thrown out or delayed because he felt a sitting president can't be bothered with a lawsuit. SCOTUS threw that out and let the case proceed. Here we are two decades later possibly facing the same thing. 

2016-10-10 10:51 AM
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Bill was not impressed with the debate:

2016-10-10 10:51 AM
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And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it.

I think you meant Ivana.  In any case I tend to agree with others here that I'll give victims the benefit of the doubt.

Also keep in mind Trump's wives are immigrants, not native English speakers, and especially not experts on the U.S. court system.  So that, to me, means less of a chance to be playing legal games and more of a chance to get pushed around / intimidated by Trump's lawyers.

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Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Bill's been accused by multiple women of sexual assault. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Trump's also been accused by multiple women. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Only Trump, Clinton, and their accusers really know. I just find it ridiculously hypocritical for Trump to be attacking Bill given his own accusations. 

2016-10-10 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Rogillio
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Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.




Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could.

Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus.

Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police.

Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

2016-10-10 11:31 AM
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Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police.

Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

First, let me say I feel the same way.  And I certainly can't think like a woman.  But I can give you a good guess.

The answer to the bold part: money.

Maybe they don't want to face their accuser again.  Maybe they are worried he will be acquitted (particularly: for Cosby's accusers, as they had memory loss from being drugged, and in Ivana's case where it's really hard to bring a case against your husband).  All the years of court tangling will have been for nothing. Maybe they have a family to support and they'd rather take the sure thing.  And they'll probably have lawyers going over those options to them and what kind of chances they have.

The thing is, just because a victim wants to make a settlement for money doesn't mean the assault or rape didn't happen

2016-10-10 11:32 AM
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Bill's been accused by multiple women of sexual assault. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Trump's also been accused by multiple women. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Only Trump, Clinton, and their accusers really know. I just find it ridiculously hypocritical for Trump to be attacking Bill given his own accusations.

... and the fact that Bill isn't running for president

2016-10-10 11:38 AM
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Bill's been accused by multiple women of sexual assault. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Trump's also been accused by multiple women. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Only Trump, Clinton, and their accusers really know. I just find it ridiculously hypocritical for Trump to be attacking Bill given his own accusations.

... and the fact that Bill isn't running for president




Sure he is. And a lot of people are voting for a Clinton 3rd term.
2016-10-10 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

But they weren't......I'll say it again....you can ALWAYS work back to a false allegation......you can rarely work forward.   I also know from experience that there are a wide variety of reasons why people don't come forward with a rape report immediately.  For starters, it's horribly traumatizing. 

2016-10-10 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

But they weren't......I'll say it again....you can ALWAYS work back to a false allegation......you can rarely work forward.   I also know from experience that there are a wide variety of reasons why people don't come forward with a rape report immediately.  For starters, it's horribly traumatizing. 





OK, semi-related story.

One of my great uncles was called to jury duty for a case of a black man raping a white woman in Louisiana back in the 1940s (or maybe 1950s). Someone in the family asked him about the case and he said, "Oh, we're gonna hang his black arse." They said, "But you haven't heard any of the evidence yet. How do you know he is guilty" To which he replied, "He's guilty. The cops wouldn't have arrested him if he wasn't guilty."

True story. Take from it what you will.


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Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

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Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

But they weren't......I'll say it again....you can ALWAYS work back to a false allegation......you can rarely work forward.   I also know from experience that there are a wide variety of reasons why people don't come forward with a rape report immediately.  For starters, it's horribly traumatizing. 

OK, semi-related story. One of my great uncles was called to jury duty for a case of a black man raping a white woman in Louisiana back in the 1940s (or maybe 1950s). Someone in the family asked him about the case and he said, "Oh, we're gonna hang his black arse." They said, "But you haven't heard any of the evidence yet. How do you know he is guilty" To which he replied, "He's guilty. The cops wouldn't have arrested him if he wasn't guilty." True story. Take from it what you will.

LOL  I don't take ANYTHING from the 40's and 50's when it comes to crime, race, etc.  It might as well be from a different planet.  No bearing on anything today.....none.

2016-10-10 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio
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Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".




Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl.

Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt.

When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.




You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.


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Originally posted by tuwood

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Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.

Wrong.....it's not his job to prove himself not-guilty.  It's my job to prove he is. 

And no, the scenarios are not different.......date rape is rape, period.  The same way forcible rape is rape, or statutory rape is rape. 

I will now only refer to you as Rogillianderthal on this topic.  LOL

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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.

Wrong.....it's not his job to prove himself not-guilty.  It's my job to prove he is. 

And no, the scenarios are not different.......date rape is rape, period.  The same way forcible rape is rape, or statutory rape is rape. 

I will now only refer to you as Rogillianderthal on this topic.  LOL

I agree completely with your statement, but in my experience when it comes to sex crimes the defendant has to pretty much prove beyond all doubt that he/she is innocent in todays legal system.  If they don't have money to get a decent attorney then they pretty much have no chance.  

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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.

Wrong.....it's not his job to prove himself not-guilty.  It's my job to prove he is. 

And no, the scenarios are not different.......date rape is rape, period.  The same way forcible rape is rape, or statutory rape is rape. 

I will now only refer to you as Rogillianderthal on this topic.  LOL




Rogillianderthal....I like the sound of that.



12 Women Who Lied About Being Raped And Why They Did It

http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lie...

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I can't believe the conversation has gone here. unbelievable

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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.

Wrong.....it's not his job to prove himself not-guilty.  It's my job to prove he is. 

And no, the scenarios are not different.......date rape is rape, period.  The same way forcible rape is rape, or statutory rape is rape. 

I will now only refer to you as Rogillianderthal on this topic.  LOL

I agree completely with your statement, but in my experience when it comes to sex crimes the defendant has to pretty much prove beyond all doubt that he/she is innocent in todays legal system.  If they don't have money to get a decent attorney then they pretty much have no chance.  





Kathy Shelton, was 12 years old when she accused a 41-year-old man of raping her. A 27-year-old Clinton was selected by a judge to defend the man in 1975, and despite insisting she didn't want the case, she defended him aggressively. Eventually, the prosecution's case fell apart, and the man pleaded to a lesser charge -- unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14.

“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh)



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Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.

Wrong.....it's not his job to prove himself not-guilty.  It's my job to prove he is. 

And no, the scenarios are not different.......date rape is rape, period.  The same way forcible rape is rape, or statutory rape is rape. 

I will now only refer to you as Rogillianderthal on this topic.  LOL

I agree completely with your statement, but in my experience when it comes to sex crimes the defendant has to pretty much prove beyond all doubt that he/she is innocent in todays legal system.  If they don't have money to get a decent attorney then they pretty much have no chance.  

Kathy Shelton, was 12 years old when she accused a 41-year-old man of raping her. A 27-year-old Clinton was selected by a judge to defend the man in 1975, and despite insisting she didn't want the case, she defended him aggressively. Eventually, the prosecution's case fell apart, and the man pleaded to a lesser charge -- unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14. “Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh)

 

so she did her job?

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So my question to those Trump supporters, if the recent twitter rant and tax return revelation hasn't changed your mind about Trump, is there anything that could possibly change your vote? 

Thought I'd ask this question again.

I expect that the recent events wont' have much of an effect on the Trump faithful, but those on the fringe and the voters that Trump's camp have been actively trying to bring on board - undecided, women - will either shift to Clinton or Johnson or not vote at all.

I am undecided and a woman.

Playing the game of he is worse than me, no she is worse than me does not increase my voter confidence. They are both right, they are both pathetic choices.  

I really don't know how I'm going to vote. 

 

 





OK, so they are both pond scum. If you just accept that and call it a wash, then you are free to look at their policies and positions. Go to both their websites and read the position and plans. They are vastly different!

Take one issue at time. Compare Trump's plans for tax reform and Hillary's plan for tax reform. They actually both have some good ideas. But maybe you will find something you really like or really don't like.

Personally the Estate Tax that Hillary wants to increase is an issue that just galls me! What right does the government have to tax my inheritance? You work 16 hr days and save and build a McDonalds franchise....and when you die your kids have to sell it because they can't afford to pay the inheritance tax on it?

There are lots of issues.....energy:

From Trump's website:

CONTRAST WITH HILLARY CLINTON
o Clinton has vowed to “defend and build on” the Obama Administration’s anti-coal regulations, which has earned her support from environmentalists but led to concerns from labor unions. [Donald J. Trump Press Release, Sept. 7, 2016]
o President Obama’s anti-energy orders have weakened our security, keeping us reliant on foreign sources of energy.
o At the same time President Obama lifts economic sanctions on Iran, he imposes economic sanctions on America. His onslaught of regulations has been a massive self-inflicted economic wound and have denied millions of Americans access to the energy wealth sitting under our feet. This is the American People’s treasure, and they are entitled to share in the riches.
o While Hillary Clinton doesn’t want American energy, she is strongly in favor of foreign energy. Here is what she told China as Secretary of State: o “American experts and Chinese experts will work to develop China’s natural gas resources. Imagine what it would mean for China if China unleashed its own natural gas resources so you are not dependent on foreign oil.” [Donald J. Trump Press Release, July. 31, 2016]

o Hillary Clinton will continue President Obama’s goals of reducing methane emissions by 40-45 percent through standards for both new and existing sources, which will drastically increase the cost of natural gas [Donald J. Trump Press Release, Sept. 7, 2016]
o Hillary Clinton will escalate the war against American energy, and unleash the EPA to control every aspect of our lives: o She declared that “we’ve got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels,” locking away trillions in American wealth.
o In March, Hillary Clinton said: “by the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place.” Keep in mind, shale energy production could add 2 million jobs in 7 years.

o Hillary Clinton says her plan will “put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of business.” [The Wall Street Journal, Oct. 28, 2015]
o According to the Heritage Foundation, by 2030, the Obama-Clinton energy restrictions will eliminate another half a million manufacturing jobs, reduce economic output by $2.5 trillion dollars, and reduce incomes by $7,000 dollars per person [MilitaryTimes, July 20, 2016]



Why would I look at Trump's website to see Hillary's positions via some made up "contrast"? An informed voter should look at both candidates positions and just compare them!


Exactly. Go to both websites. Trump has done some comparison for you....if you chose to use it...or see if he contrasting is BS and misrepresenting her position.

The point is, look at their positions on various and decide what is most important for the country. Do you support tuition free college for everyone? I talked to a very liberal college senior about this last weekend and she said she is not for it......mainly because she paid her way thru school working and getting loans and doesn't think it would be fair if they made college free tuition.


I went to Trump's website. No issue position on "Environment". End of story, can't vote for him. That was easy!


From Trump's website:

AN AMERICA FIRST ENERGY PLAN


DONALD J. TRUMP’S VISION
o Make America energy independent, create millions of new jobs, and protect clean air and clean water. We will conserve our natural habitats, reserves and resources. We will unleash an energy revolution that will bring vast new wealth to our country.

o Encourage the use of natural gas and other American energy resources that will both reduce emissions but also reduce the price of energy and increase our economic output.


OK, granted a bit vague. LOL




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Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.

Wrong.....it's not his job to prove himself not-guilty.  It's my job to prove he is. 

And no, the scenarios are not different.......date rape is rape, period.  The same way forcible rape is rape, or statutory rape is rape. 

I will now only refer to you as Rogillianderthal on this topic.  LOL

I agree completely with your statement, but in my experience when it comes to sex crimes the defendant has to pretty much prove beyond all doubt that he/she is innocent in todays legal system.  If they don't have money to get a decent attorney then they pretty much have no chance.  

Kathy Shelton, was 12 years old when she accused a 41-year-old man of raping her. A 27-year-old Clinton was selected by a judge to defend the man in 1975, and despite insisting she didn't want the case, she defended him aggressively. Eventually, the prosecution's case fell apart, and the man pleaded to a lesser charge -- unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14. “Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh)

 

so she did her job?




From the Washington Post:

The attack on Clinton has less to do with the fact that she defended an accused rapist and more to do with how she did it and what she said about the case later -- specifically, her efforts to attack the girl's credibility and allegations that she spoke callously about getting the man a reduced charge, despite appearing to suggest he had been guilty.

Clinton went after the character and mental state of Shelton. She wrote in an affidavit that Shelton should have undergone a psychiatric examination:

"I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing. I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body.”


In other words, attack the victim. See the pattern?

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Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by Left Brain
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by Left Brain C'mon Stacers, not every independent woman is jumping off the cliff on this. I get the point you are making.....but can anyone point to a woman who claims Trump sexually assaulted them? He's a blowhard like most guys who run their mouths in an all male setting.....nobody cares or even pays much attention to them.

his ex wife who testified under oath that he raped her for instance

That's it? That's the one claim that Trump sexually assaulted any woman? Nah.Trumps a blowhard when it comes to women and sex....but nobody has ever accused him of assaulting them.He's a dumbarse, but he's not an abuser.

Well, he's currently being sued for rape. So there's that. His hearing is scheduled for December, which will be interesting if he's president elect.

By whom?  What's the source on that? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html 

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 

It could certainly be nothing more than an attempt to shake down a rich man. There's also a woman named Jill Harth who was a model in the 90's and sued him for sexual assault (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-jill-harth-interview). She dropped the suit after Trump settled a separate lawsuit with her husband. So again, maybe just someone out looking for money.

And finally Melania testified in her deposition that Trump raped her. The account she gave was not pretty. She then walked back her word "rape" after receiving one of the largest divorce settlements in history that included a very strict confidentiality agreement. So she either lied under oath to get more money, or lied after receiving her money when she was at risk of losing it. 

Thanks for the links....I had found others.  Obviously, I don't know much about those cases, so time will tell.  I can say that I've personally conducted or supervised quite a few rape investigations.........I learned long ago not to ever discount the victim.....they are rarely lying.  I wish I knew more about this one.  That would be a deal breaker for me.

Good friend of mine in LA 20-odd years ago was out clubbing and pick-up this girl. The were both drunk. They went out to his car and had sex. Afterwards she made some snarky comment. He replied back in kind with something like, "You weren't that good anyway. Get out of my car." After cussing him out good, she left. The next day at his work, 4 cop cars came screeching into his work parking lot and arrested him for rape. He was in the process of getting an lawyer when he got word that she was dropping the charges. So it does happen. What's the saying...hell hath no fury like woman scorned.

Came screeching in, huh?  Was it a movie?  LOL

Look, any rape investigator worth his salt always starts with the idea that it happened.  First, you will be right 90% of the time and, secondly, you can always work your way back .....it's really hard to work your way forward from skepticism and the idea that victims are making it up.....that's just wrongheaded.

Yep, and that is exactly what the cops did. They assumed he was guilty and must have thought he would run too if he could. Most of the country had already tied and convicted 3 Duke University lacrosse plays of rape turned out to be completely bogus. Any time there is a civil suit but no criminal case I am suspicious. In my mind, if a woman is raped she should go immediately to the police.....not wait 2 years and then go to a lawyer and claim she was raped. I never understood why the woman Bill Cosby allegedly raped never went to the police. Being a man, I cannot think like a woman so there may very well be good reasons woman don't report rape.....but I honestly don't understand.

It was a different culture in the 70's & 80's when it came to sexual assault.

Without getting too personal I was witness to an underage family member being sexually assaulted by another family member in the early 80's and she did go to the police and I was a witness (I was 10, she was 12).  With both of us telling the truth the Judge still said the perpetrator (50+ year old guy) was a nice guy and probably didn't do anything and didn't even let the case proceed.  Then the victim was shamed by the family for "making up" such a terrible thing against a beloved family member.   The victim has had a very rough life since then and it's really sad.

This is one of the reasons I get a little more miffed about Bill's escapades, because they happened during that era and before when women were not treated well when they were victims of sexual assault.  We tend to take todays criminal system which is extremely tough on sex crimes (too tough in many cases) and overlay it back to that era.  So if somebody wasn't found guilty or charged then they "didn't do anything".

Wow, that is hard to hear about that little girl. Just seems like men are in a lose-lose situation. Kobe Bryant had sex with a hotel worker who claimed he raped her....but the case was dropped because she refused to testify.....but she filed a civil suit against him. The case was settled out of court but he admitted no guilt. When it comes to the rich and famous it is hard to imagine why they would rape someone. Power? Dominance? Sick in the head? Certainly not for sex as they can get that anytime.

Read the bolded part you wrote......then read the sentence after it....then go back and remember that you had to write the bolded sentence because NOBODY BELIEVED HER.  

THAT'S the real lose-lose.

You are starting to sound like media and taking stuff out of context. You are mixing two different scenarios. One involves an 11 yo girl who was molested by an adult which is sad. And sadder still that someone unilaterally decided not to believer her. This is totally different than men being accused of date rape by another adult like Kobe Byrant was. Then it's a he-said/she-said and by your own admission, you are gonna side with her.....and he is guilty until he proves himself not-guilty.

Wrong.....it's not his job to prove himself not-guilty.  It's my job to prove he is. 

And no, the scenarios are not different.......date rape is rape, period.  The same way forcible rape is rape, or statutory rape is rape. 

I will now only refer to you as Rogillianderthal on this topic.  LOL

I agree completely with your statement, but in my experience when it comes to sex crimes the defendant has to pretty much prove beyond all doubt that he/she is innocent in todays legal system.  If they don't have money to get a decent attorney then they pretty much have no chance.  

Kathy Shelton, was 12 years old when she accused a 41-year-old man of raping her. A 27-year-old Clinton was selected by a judge to defend the man in 1975, and despite insisting she didn't want the case, she defended him aggressively. Eventually, the prosecution's case fell apart, and the man pleaded to a lesser charge -- unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14. “Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t [rape]. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh)

 

so she did her job?

From the Washington Post: The attack on Clinton has less to do with the fact that she defended an accused rapist and more to do with how she did it and what she said about the case later -- specifically, her efforts to attack the girl's credibility and allegations that she spoke callously about getting the man a reduced charge, despite appearing to suggest he had been guilty. Clinton went after the character and mental state of Shelton. She wrote in an affidavit that Shelton should have undergone a psychiatric examination: "I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing. I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body.” In other words, attack the victim. See the pattern?

her job as a defense attorney is to do that, sorry bro

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