Love those weapons! AR-15s and Smoke Grenades!! Yay!!! (Page 3)

My kids who still attend High School for another year are wondering why there can't be more and better armed cops at their school, and all schools.....good guys with guns doesn't bother or scare them.  Why would it?

Sit down CD, because this is gonna make your knees weak......I gave my son a 9mm pistol for his 19th B-day....that's the legal age for him to carry a concealed weapon in our state.  I've got 2 more lowers for AR-15 builds in my safe....one of them will be for him on his 21st b-day......and both of my twin daughters will be armed at 19 as well. (when they want to be) They like shooting.....it's fun.  Since I have unlimited access to an indoor range we usually go once a month or so.

Forget guns going away......the constitution guarantees that won't happen. Live with it....that little amendment was put there precisely so the govt. couldn't do it....and believe me when I tell you it will never happen.

Originally posted by mdg2003

Originally posted by mdg2003

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by mdg2003

Holy cow. Talk about obsessed with Axl Rose, easy now! ...and speaking of making assumptions...I don't "idolize" anyone. Axl is not my "hero."

I'm obsessed?

Sorry, can't take it anymore. I loved GnR when they came out. They were the real effking deal hard rock band of the decade IMO. I can't recall going to a party that someone didn't crank Appetite for Destruction all the way up to 11. Slash being so f****d up that he couldn't stand, so they had to prop him up for photoshoots. The real GAF attitude and hard charging lifestyle we expected from bands. I can't argue against that voice being one of the top five all time rock band vocals either. Just pullin yer chain a little and we got way off target of your OP. So, what is your viable solution to these mass shootings?

Add to that.....I was at the biggest rock and roll riot of our time after Rose dove into the crowd to get a camera and all hell broke lose.  The fight was so crazy for awhile that we were pulling our patches and name tags off our shirts and just fighting our way across the parking lot.  When it was all over we sat on hoods of cars with some of the guys we had been fighting a few hours earlier and just shook our heads and laughed at the craziness of it.  It was a good night to be a young cop or a rock and roll fan.....common ground indeed. 

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by mdg2003

Originally posted by mdg2003

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by mdg2003

Holy cow. Talk about obsessed with Axl Rose, easy now! ...and speaking of making assumptions...I don't "idolize" anyone. Axl is not my "hero."

I'm obsessed?

Sorry, can't take it anymore. I loved GnR when they came out. They were the real effking deal hard rock band of the decade IMO. I can't recall going to a party that someone didn't crank Appetite for Destruction all the way up to 11. Slash being so f****d up that he couldn't stand, so they had to prop him up for photoshoots. The real GAF attitude and hard charging lifestyle we expected from bands. I can't argue against that voice being one of the top five all time rock band vocals either. Just pullin yer chain a little and we got way off target of your OP. So, what is your viable solution to these mass shootings?

Add to that.....I was at the biggest rock and roll riot of our time after Rose dove into the crowd to get a camera and all hell broke lose.  The fight was so crazy for awhile that we were pulling our patches and name tags off our shirts and just fighting our way across the parking lot.  When it was all over we sat on hoods of cars with some of the guys we had been fighting a few hours earlier and just shook our heads and laughed at the craziness of it.  It was a good night to be a young cop or a rock and roll fan.....common ground indeed. 

It's all good, no hard feelings. As for more common ground, I liked the recent news story I heard about food stamps/welfare reform. It's actually something I had espoused many years ago...the bundle (they used a box) of food staples. Nothing glamorous. Nothing excessive. Just enough food to keep folks alive and healthy. Food stamps reform is a home run issue if Republicans play it right. Playing the game of cutting folks off completely is just vengeful and politically stupid. Now, as for mass shootings...AR-15s serve no useful purpose and sure as hell were not envisioned by our Founding Fathers. If I had my way (which I'll never get), I'd help ensure companies who produce these weapons can get their arses sued by victims' families. Needless to say, if your weapon is used in an atrocity like this, your fate will be the same as the shooter, no questions asked. Outlaw unlicensed firearms. Not that it applied in this latest shooting, but when the shooters are children, mandatory life sentences at the very least for those involved...WITH required decades-long sentences for the sperm and egg donors that created the monsters responsible for the shooting. I like the idea that if parents wanna blame society for their kids' problems, maybe, just maybe this will be a gentle prodding for them to parent their children because if they don't, they'll partially be on the hook for what they do. Would this solve the problem? No. Does it have the potential to help? I think so.

I have no idea how any of what you proposed could possibly work.  You want to open up the pandoras box of liability for firearms?  OK, but law and precedent being what it is, does that mean the car company that manufactured the car that ran over protestors last summer can be held liable?  I could go on and on.....so forget it, not going to happen.

Sentence parents whose kids go on a shooting spree?  While I agree that parents need to do a better job in general, at what age are they no longer responsible?  How about 25?  Are they still responsible for the azzhole they raised?

Outlaw unlicensed firearms???  Huh?  That's already a law.....no criminal gives a rats arse.

Layers bro.....layers and layers of repercussions, precedents, etc.  600,000,000-800,000,000 guns likely in circulation......it's a done deal.  Now it's a security issue.....period.  We already have thousands of gun laws.....again, nobody who uses a gun in a crime gives a rip.

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by Left Brain I've advocated for life sentences for those who use a gun in a crime....ANY CRIME....for 10 years. Get those people away from the rest of us.

See? We eventually got to some common ground!

There's a TON of common ground......but the left doesn't have the stomach for most of it so you always fall back on a solution that you can't have.....ban guns.  Can you imagine the cry and hue from the left if we actually did put people in prison for life for ANY gun crime.....my god, that would make the Trump whining look like a warm up.

Sometimes I wish the left would try to ban and collect all guns.....then we could get on with the civil war it would start and the left could fight it with................words and tears.  LMAO

We're going to have a REALLY hard time banning guns from people who have been treated for a mental illness.......because that information is NOT available due to HIPPA laws (another liberal idea) that keep all medical records private and confidential. Like I have already said.....layers and layers and layers of laws, precedents, and protections that can't just be ignored. (except by criminals....which is what makes them criminals!!)

Now I hear the kids are going to march on Washington......might as well, everybody else does, to a point where nobody even cares or watches.  Next up, the geriatric protest on nursing home care.  Grandma getting pepper sprayed on her wheelchair ought to play well on CNN.....Don Lemon can always use another issue to cry over.

I agree with what someone else said in this thread.  People really don't want a solution.  They want to take away the guns. On one program I was watching I found it interesting when the expert brought up the thought of what happens when someone pulls an alarm (getting all the kids outside and then drives a car into the crowd.  People are focused on the wrong thing.  It's not how the kids are killed but why they are being killed.  We need to figure out why the killer wants to kill their classmates or ex-classmates.  

Agree. I'm a certified teacher currently working as an aide in 2nd grade. My kids go to school at the same school I work at. My husband is the Superintendent whose office is in the same building. My whole family would be sitting ducks in an active shooter situation. All the political noise about gun debates is just that NOISE. My entire run yesterday was spent thinking through how to protect the 2nd graders I work with in the various rooms I teach in throughout the school and hoping someone will be taking care of my own. I was thinking through how to move the cabinets, where the kids should run if we're in the cafeteria, what can we grab to throw at a shooter (by the way LB I'll take any advice you have to share on these issues). It's complete crap that I even have to think this way. Why, why are our children doing this? There are so many other layers not being discussed. 

I've read the Florida teen had Autism and ADHD. I am parenting a child with ADHD who is also adopted and it is very complex, a lot more than I understood as a teacher (before kids of my own) dealing with kids I taught who I thought were a little hyper. It's concerning to see people point the finger at lack of parenting knowing how hard I have worked to help my daughter manage her ADHD symptoms. She is highly emotional and highly impulsive All THE TIME. Meds help but don't cure and when they wear off every symptom helped comes right back. Managing her symptoms is a constant and I do not say that to pick on her just to emphasize the effort required from the adults in her life to help her be her best. I have watched her have an irrational screaming fit and pull her hair out of her own head just from a little frustration over math facts. I am not making excuses for the latest tragedy by any means but like I said I feel the discussion needs to change.