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2009-12-06 11:35 PM
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JBrashear - 2009-12-06 8:33 PM
uclamatt2007 - 2009-12-06 2:39 PM
JBrashear - 2009-12-06 11:37 AM
uclamatt2007 - 2009-12-06 11:26 AM Updated ballot
1. Gerhardt
2. Ingram
3. Spiller
4. Suh

Those 4 should be going to New York in my opinion.
I'd go with Suh, Colt, Gerhart, & Ingram in that order. The only reason Ingram is #4 is because I think Bama would still win 10+ games with either of the 2 RBs behind him in the DC. He's a great RB, but I think he's more replaceable w/ other guys on his team than the other 3. Suh is a f*cking beast & probably the best player in the list. It's like watching Reggie White play against a Pop Warner team most weeks.


You can really still put Colt in New York after his performance last night? His season stats are good, but his performance in big games has been pretty awful.

Oklahoma:
21/39 for 127 yards, 1TD/1INT, 14 carries for 33 yards

Nebraska:
20/36 for 184 yard, 0TD/3INT, 17 caries for -20 yards

I had to laugh whe one of the announcers said last night that even though his stats weren't that great, the current drive was what could make McCoy a Heisman winner. Part of the reason that they needed big plays late was how poorly he was playing. I believe that was right before his 3rd pick.
I look at the Heisman as a MVP award of sorts, and that's part of how I ordered my list. There's no question that if Colt was gone at the beginning of the year(to the pros or injury), Texas would have been somewhere around 7-5 or 8-4. None of the other finalists mentioned would have that large an impact on their team. I would argue that while last night & the OU game were big games, games like Oklahoma State(who gives Texas fits year in and year out) & A&M were nearly as big and Colt shined in both games. In fact, leading up to this game he had a series of 4-5 games where he was playing at '08 levels. Am I saying he should win it? Not really, but I think he deserves to be in NYC as a finalist. Nobody's really separated themselves this year, you can make solid arguments for several players. One thing that I think is an important note: nowhere in the Heisman guidelines does it say that the award is a seasonal award. If we're going based on a career, I think Colt tops that list. I also realize that most people treat it like a seasonal award rather than a career award, and I can understand that point of view. It would probably help if the Heisman people clarified the intent of the award, but they probably like the controversy.


Those games would be a little more impressive if they did not come against the 93rd and the 111th ranked passing defenses in the country, respectively.

If we are going to look at it as an MVP award, an award for players whose teams could not win without them, why don't players like Ryan Matthews of Fresno St get more press. He averaged 153 yards per game with a 6.8 avg, including a game where he left in the second quarter with a concussion with 35 yards. He ran for 107 against Wisconsin, the #8 rushing defense in the country, to keep push the game into overtime for an eventual loss. He ran for 234 yards against Boise St. 145 yards against Cincinatti. Those were all losses, but also games that wouldn't even have been close without him. In the game he left with a concussion, they were leading Nevada 14-10 at the time. Nevada scored the next 42 points unanswered. In the next game without Matthews they needed a last second field goal to squeak by the WAC bottom feeder LA Tech.

Fresno lost 4 games this season to teams with a combined record of 42-7. They would have been lucky to have 3 wins without Matthews. If the reward is for a player the team couldn't live without, why aren't players like him in the conversation?


2009-12-07 10:07 AM
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OK, I get it, you don't like Colt and think he's average. We'll agree to disagree.
2009-12-07 11:38 AM
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I still think they should wait until the Bowl games are finished before awarding the Heisman. How many winners have gone out and done horrible in their bowl game after winning the award???

2009-12-07 6:46 PM
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JBrashear - 2009-12-07 8:07 AM OK, I get it, you don't like Colt and think he's average. We'll agree to disagree.


Honestly, I would put him among the Top 5 QBs in college this year, far from being average. I just don't think that any QBs have played well enough to warrant a Heisman.
2009-12-07 7:10 PM
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Update - 5 Finalists

McCoy
Gerhardt
Tebow
Ingram
Suh

5 Finalists means that it must have been a close.
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