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 2006-02-24 12:20 AM in reply to: #352959 |
Extreme Veteran  760    Provo, UT (my heart is in Seattle) |  Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports?My uncle's name is Nacir Brahmia. He's from Algeria. He is Muslim and classifies himself as a fundamentalist. When he says fundamentalist he does not mean terrorist or suicide bomber. Quite the contrary, he is strongly opposed to violence. He means someone that wants to return to the grassroots of Islam. So uhh.... there's at least one Middle Eastern Muslim that is adamently against terrorism. |
| 2006-02-24 8:07 AM in reply to: #353318 |
Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-23 5:36 PM Opus - 2006-02-23 1:31 PM ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-23 5:27 PM Opus - 2006-02-23 1:03 PM I agree, but the Nazis wouldn't have. The Nazis were the terrorists then  Right, so, you understand. Are you equating terrorists to WWII freedom fighters? Are you equating America to Nazi Germany? I don't think that's what you're saying. No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that justifiability is dependent on what your perspective is. In fact, I don't even think that I drew any connection between the Nazis and America. My perspective is that there is nothing that justifies the killing of innocent civilians in any conflict. This perspective is probably naive. |
| 2006-02-24 8:09 AM in reply to: #353531 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? piggpen35 - 2006-02-24 1:14 AM I think comparing a American soldier with a satchel charge attacking a machine gun bunker or a member of the Holland resistance attacking a Nazi train is hardly a fair comparison to a terrorist with a bomb blowing up a Israeli restaurant or flying a civilian airliner into a office building. . The question was "Are suicide bombings by anybody against anyone ever justifiable under any circumstances?" The comparison was made by you, not me. |
| 2006-02-24 12:50 PM in reply to: #352959 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? Iraqi blows himself up at a check station in Iraq vs Iraqi blows himself up at a school. One is toward the people he feels oppose him, one is against innocents. One is terrorism, one is war. Don't confuse people acting during war vs terror. Innocent people being killed is terrorism, people in the military are fighting not innocent. I bring this up because I saw earlier post where people were talking about Nazis being blown up and Soldiers blowing themselves up to save their platoon. Neither of these are terrorist acts. And the suicide bombings in Iraq against the US are not terrorist acts. But blowing themselves up at a Police training facility or schoo or market are. And definitely the Palestinians that blow themselves up in Isreali night clubs or restaurants are terrorist. It's a fine line but does exist. |
| 2006-02-24 1:47 PM in reply to: #352959 |
Master 2033 | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? That is the point I was trying to make... |
| 2006-02-24 1:53 PM in reply to: #353920 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? piggpen35 - 2006-02-24 12:47 PM That is the point I was trying to make... And also my point. As the survey cited earlier doesn't ask questions that distinguish between attacks against military targets vs. civilian targets. In fact the question was specifically referring to 'Americans and Westerners in Iraq' as the targets. It is reasonable to interpret that as 'soldiers'. I definitely agree there is a distiction between the acts. -Chris |
| 2006-02-25 1:31 AM in reply to: #353531 |
Expert 916 San mateo California | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? piggpen35 - 2006-02-23 11:14 PM
After doing a little research today I have no issue with a UAE company running our port so long as security is still managed by our government. The UAE is already runnin the New Orleans port and has for the several years now. They, by the way, contribuited to over $200.00 million dollars to Katrina's relief... the UAE has been doing lots of biz that we don;t know about...
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| 2006-02-25 1:41 AM in reply to: #352959 |
Expert 916 San mateo California | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? You live in occupied Palestine, your home has been buldozed to make room for a private road, your town of 6000 is cut in half because 40 Jewish setlers decided to live in the center of town. They are protected by 1200 soldiers which harrass and humilate the local population. You cannot get to work across town because you need to go to a checkpoint where they humiliate and denigrate you on a daily basis.. Your brother was killed on a raid, your mom is sick and cannot get to a hospital, because the ambulance was blown up a few day ago for transporting a "terrorist" to the hospital. You cannot work, cannot provide for your family, no basic services are being provide for your comminity, you are driven to madness and start considering suicide... They drive you to the breakin point.... Neither hero nor terrorist.... a poor, abused soul. |
| 2006-02-26 9:50 PM in reply to: #353925 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? coredump - 2006-02-24 10:53 AM And also my point. As the survey cited earlier doesn't ask questions that distinguish between attacks against military targets vs. civilian targets. In fact the question was specifically referring to 'Americans and Westerners in Iraq' as the targets. It is reasonable to interpret that as 'soldiers'. Some people think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Other people believe that, no matter what the reason, this kind of violence is never justified. Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified? In bold for you. That's twice that you've said it didn't pertain to civilian targets and you've now been corrected twice. |
| 2006-02-26 10:16 PM in reply to: #353325 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? coredump - 2006-02-23 1:47 PM Nope, I choose to disbelieve that what you're using to support your data backs your statement that all muslims think suicide bombings against civilians are justifiable. huh, I don't believe that's what the data said. In fact, I'm pretty sure the numbers were broken out in percentages. And if you don't want to be lumped with them, why are you supporting their view? Where did I say that I supported their view? I said I didn't care one way or the other what happened to the UAE. Fact is I don't know enough about the UAE to make an informed opinion. The politicians whose view I was expressing which I never said I supported, only that I could understand it. I acknowledge that the couple hundred people who answered the poll question felt they were justifiable think so. Eureka!!! Well that's a step in the right direction. I didn't think you would stop practicing your debate skills and actually step out of the gray area. Wow, so lets expand on this. If you are willing to accept that a couple hundered people who answered the poll felt that suicide bombings are justifiable, is it reasonable to assume that the sampling is indicative of the attitudes of the population where the poll was taken? More gray area for you to dance in. Have fun with that. It's a far stretch from that to your viewpoint that all muslims/arabs are evil and bent on terrorism and as such the UAE holding company represents a threat to our security. Nice characterization. However I never expressed it. I don't recall saying that all muslims and arabs are evil and bent on terrorism. Maybe you can enlighten me and post those quotes... Whose views you are projecting onto me anyway? At some point in this conversation you will stop attacking the poll and stop attacking me. |
| 2006-02-26 10:21 PM in reply to: #354246 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? velasqu7 - 2006-02-24 10:41 PM You live in occupied Palestine, your home has been buldozed to make room for a private road, your town of 6000 is cut in half because 40 Jewish setlers decided to live in the center of town. They are protected by 1200 soldiers which harrass and humilate the local population. You cannot get to work across town because you need to go to a checkpoint where they humiliate and denigrate you on a daily basis.. Your brother was killed on a raid, your mom is sick and cannot get to a hospital, because the ambulance was blown up a few day ago for transporting a "terrorist" to the hospital. You cannot work, cannot provide for your family, no basic services are being provide for your comminity, you are driven to madness and start considering suicide... They drive you to the breakin point.... Neither hero nor terrorist.... a poor, abused soul. If the individual you're describing suicide bombed, he's a terrorist and not a victim. |
| 2006-02-27 1:37 AM in reply to: #355061 |
Expert 916 San mateo California | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-26 9:21 PM velasqu7 - 2006-02-24 10:41 PM If the individual you're describing suicide bombed, he's a terrorist and not a victim. You live in occupied Palestine, your home has been buldozed to make room for a private road, your town of 6000 is cut in half because 40 Jewish setlers decided to live in the center of town. They are protected by 1200 soldiers which harrass and humilate the local population. You cannot get to work across town because you need to go to a checkpoint where they humiliate and denigrate you on a daily basis.. Your brother was killed on a raid, your mom is sick and cannot get to a hospital, because the ambulance was blown up a few day ago for transporting a "terrorist" to the hospital. You cannot work, cannot provide for your family, no basic services are being provide for your comminity, you are driven to madness and start considering suicide... They drive you to the breakin point.... Neither hero nor terrorist.... a poor, abused soul. FREEDOM FIGHTER is more like it... To attain freedom all means should be considered... all except the killing of civilians.. Who is the bigger source of terror, the government that spends millions of dollars and high tech military machines to make insertions and kill civilians without impunity over and over and over again (remember Jenin). We support the killing and the opression of people just because it is done with our tax money... how ironic. I know what is like to live under terror, under the shoe of a dictator supported and financed by YOUR tax dollars (remember the contras, and the Central American conflict). I have seen peple being driven to madness and desperation, I have seen death, I was a blessed one, i got away from it all.... I say.... Free south Africa (done) Free East Europe (done) Free Tibet Free Palestine Free Darfoor
Edited by velasqu7 2006-02-27 1:46 AM |
| 2006-02-27 5:48 AM in reply to: #352959 |
Elite 2777 In my bunk with new shoes and purple sweats. | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? Dang right, so what do you do about it.....well: you snatch Ronald, drag him into the crowd, put him in a figure four leg lock.......where's The Nature Boy and BlackJack Mulligan when the world needs them. (ronald1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ronald1.jpg (22KB - 11 downloads) |
| 2006-02-27 5:57 AM in reply to: #355100 |
| Master 1597 Colorado | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? gullahcracker - 2006-02-27 6:48 AM Dang right, so what do you do about it.....well: you snatch Ronald, drag him into the crowd, put him in a figure four leg lock.......where's The Nature Boy and BlackJack Mulligan when the world needs them.
Team America....F*&!K YEAH! Lick my @$$ and suck my ba!!s...
Damn that was funny movie... |
| 2006-02-27 9:02 AM in reply to: #355091 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? So you agree that they're terrorists for purposefully targeting civilians? Busses, malls, weddings. I know that's where I would look for enemy soldiers. velasqu7 - 2006-02-27 1:37 AM To attain freedom all means should be considered... all except the killing of civilians.. |
| 2006-02-27 11:29 AM in reply to: #355050 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-26 8:50 PM coredump - 2006-02-24 10:53 AM And also my point. As the survey cited earlier doesn't ask questions that distinguish between attacks against military targets vs. civilian targets. In fact the question was specifically referring to 'Americans and Westerners in Iraq' as the targets. It is reasonable to interpret that as 'soldiers'. Some people think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Other people believe that, no matter what the reason, this kind of violence is never justified. Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified? In bold for you. That's twice that you've said it didn't pertain to civilian targets and you've now been corrected twice. Thanks, I can read. Can you? The responses to *that* question are *NOT* the percentages from the graphic you posted. In the answers to the question you're quoting, the majority of respondants in all cases ( even Jordan and Morocco ) answered 'Never Justified or Rarely Justified'. That question is not the one that generated the graphic you posted. The question that has the 70% justifiable answer that you threw up in the graphic DOES NOT mention civilians. Here it is: "What about suicide bombings carried out against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq? Do you personally believe that this is justifiable or not justifiable?" It did not ask if they support it, only if they find it justifiable. In the same way that you're saying the political opposition to the UAE ports deal is "justifiable". Even though you're claiming you don't support it, just that you can find a reason why it's plausible to you. Have fun, I'm done. -Chris
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| 2006-02-27 7:48 PM in reply to: #355100 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: UAE Running American Ports? gullahcracker - 2006-02-27 2:48 AM Dang right, so what do you do about it.....well: you snatch Ronald, drag him into the crowd, put him in a figure four leg lock.......where's The Nature Boy and BlackJack Mulligan when the world needs them. omg. Dude, that is awesome. Seriously, awesome. |
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