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 2007-06-27 1:05 PM in reply to: #861281 |
Expert  686    Lake Geneva |  Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o)Tanya, First of all I am sponsored by PowerBar Gels. And I like them. I also use hammer gels and honey stingers brand gels. I have used Cliff shots and Gu brand, but those are not my favorite. I really like Hammer gel apple cinnamon (tastes like apple pie filling) and the raspberry flavor. Honey Stingers, are honey based and you have to be able to handle a lot of honey. They are very sweet! PowerBar gels have a line that has sodium in them so you don't have to worry about taking in a sports drink. That would be good for your sprint or half Mary. You just need water. Unfortunatley, you have to try different brands and flavors to find what works best for you and what you like the best. HTH |
| 2007-06-27 1:13 PM in reply to: #861855 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) WOW. I just did the calculations and it came up with 158! Whoa! Is that how many calories I need to ingest per hour while running? (holy c&*P!) 140 lbs 6 miles an hour (10 minute miles) If I use a 7.5 miles an hour its almost 200 calories! Actually that makes sense. I bonked in the marathon of the ironman and I ended up eating a gel every 2 miles instead of every 4. |
| 2007-06-27 8:50 PM in reply to: #862972 |
Champion 7163  Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) The first time I did the calculation for myself I realized how little I was ingesting compared to what I needed to. I took in 560 calories for my last marathon (100lbs, 3:39 finish) and felt great all the way to the end. This calculation is for running. There is a similar one on the Infinit web site for cycling. I have not calculated that, but I believe is it quite a bit less. I think all of the recommended formulas involve trial and error, but the above has worked for me the last two marathons. Suzy |
| 2007-06-27 9:01 PM in reply to: #821775 |
| Regular 92 | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) ssminow-do you tri as well as run mary's? |
| 2007-06-28 8:01 PM in reply to: #863715 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) Hi Tanya I am a tri-wanna-be. I can run, I can bike, but I cannot figure out swimming. It is a long story, but I have been taking lessons for a while. I even went to a TI Workshop and it is not clicking. This week I am at our place in northern WI and have been practicing on our lake in a wet suit. Totally different from pool swimming that is for sure. I would say I am better in the lake than in the pool, but that is not saying much What is your strongest sport? Suzy |
. Until I figure things out, I am on the sidelines. | 2007-06-29 8:21 AM in reply to: #849077 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Jane, I am sorry it is taking me so long to get back to your original post. I think you are doing great with the sprints. Podium spots are awesome. BUT you have to put in the work. Triathlon is a blue collar sport. You have to swim, bike and run to get stronger, faster or go longer. I did an olympic my first year of doing tris. I was doing a lot of sprints and we did this local olympic distance. I remember being out there forever because I wasn;t well trained. I did a 3:30 and it was very hot. I remember feeling very sick at the end of the race due to heat issues. I did another olympic later int he year and did a 3 hour race. I improved on everything and it showed in the way I felt and the results. I would use the Olympic program here in BT. these training plans are great resources and they are geared for people wthout a lot of base. they will get you to the finish line. Ask me any other questions you have about this. Good luck with your training! |
| 2007-06-29 8:27 AM in reply to: #849010 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Dave, Flatlanders are always welcome. I am originally from Illinois! I wish I could swim like you! WOW. I "get through" the IM swims but I would like to go faster. But I hate swim workouts. You should have seen the swim at IMCDA! 1 foot waves 15 mph winds, oh man. They offered a duathlon option at the start of the race. I wanted to swim a 1:15 and ended up with a 1:29. I was just trying not to get kicked. I was getting trampled in the first 500 yards and had to grab onto a kayak. then I swam up the inside of the buoys and had no trouble with the water. It was the people who were the problem! I had to make peace with the water and I did. It really helped to swim 3-4 times before the race to get used to that kind of chop. |
| 2007-06-29 11:12 AM in reply to: #865645 |
| 2 | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Hi Jeanne, Thanks very much for getting back to me, I 100% get what you mean when you say triathlon is a blue collar sport - no room for chancers in this game! and I do think the places I got in my first two sprints were a lot to do with chance! I've started training with one of my club mates now who is a lot faster on the swim and run than me so aiming to get into a good routine with her and push myself a further on bit by bit. I've got my first Olympic on the 18th August so should hopefully have some groundwork done by then. Will certainly take on board the BT training plans as well. Thanks again for getting back to me, I'm reading all your advice to everyone else, there's a lot of factors I never even thought about - every days a school day! Thanks, Jane. |
| 2007-06-29 11:16 AM in reply to: #865654 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! That swim sounds tough! I guess my biggest issue is the time required. before my first tri i was stressing on not getting the time/volume in. That was causing friction in my personal life. At this point in my first season I am really just trying to be consistant and have fun at the race(s). Running is by far the worst for me so While i am using the schedule as a basis for what I am doing I am tailoring it to focus on the run, make sure i get some long rides in the weekends and keep swimming on track. I am not sure if the reduced overall volumne will really hurt me but..as I am a newbie and doing sprints I think I can continue to improve as the season goes on. We'll see.... Happy training folks |
| 2007-06-29 3:50 PM in reply to: #866009 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Jane! That is great news. Working out with someone better than you is always a boost. Don't overdo it, though. Push yourself but know your limits. For example, I train with my friend who was on Team USA for Olympic distance races. She is FAST! She also won a Danskin race in 2004. I try to keep up with her on the short stuff and usually my long tempo efforts go with her recovery efforts. She was doing a recovery run and I needed to do a long run. We did this trail run that was 14 miles and very tough for me, I was out of commission for a couple of days, but that was a break through workout for me and made me stronger. She of course, was not strained by the run at all! You should be able to cover each distance on its own, and then sustain an effort for the entire time you think you will be on the course. So if you think you are going to be out there for 3 or more hours, then you need to do something of that time (wether it is a long bike or a hike or something) Get my drift? This may not be conventional, but I think it is a great mental boost when you know that the distance and time is doable. I'm still in recovery mode from the race. |
| 2007-06-29 4:02 PM in reply to: #865304 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) Suzy, Swimming is about relaxing in the water. I totally understand why you swim better in the wetsuit than the pool. I do too! I hate the pool. Try some of the TI drills in your wetsuit. Practice makes you more comfortable in the water. You will GET IT. I promise! |
| 2007-06-29 7:53 PM in reply to: #866018 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! |
| 2007-06-30 9:32 AM in reply to: #866811 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! YES! - actually endurance is slowly improving as it should. Just not very fast - best 5k was just under 30min.. I know i am a beginner, and a bit heavy for a runner (190#) - add to that age and smoking (23 years but almost 3 years smoke free) and the cards are a bit stacked against me - funny thing is I am starting to enjoy it - just not very good at it  |
| 2007-07-02 11:32 AM in reply to: #867059 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Congrats on quitting smoking. I think your running times are ok, for what you have been through. You can reduce volume if you increase intesity, I don't recommend it for beginners. Traditionally you need a solid base before you start doing that so your body doesn;t get injured. Maybe a some intervals once a week for your run would help out with the stamina. After a mile or 15 minutes warm-up, Try 10 reps x 30 seconds full out 100% sprint. With 90 seconds active recovery (jog). The trick is the first two or three you ramp up the intensity, 70%, 80%, 90%. These worked for me in getting my legs stronger. I read this in Runners world or someplace. I'm not a big fan of track workouts, but I do believe in intervals. You could also throw in some hill repeats for fun. Do either the sprint intervals or the hill repeats once a week. Not both in 1 week. I saw results in 3 weeks with the sprint intervals. |
| 2007-07-02 12:24 PM in reply to: #868853 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Thanks Jeanne! - I'll crank up the number of intervals in an interval run- I was doing only 4. - Dave |
| 2007-07-02 5:05 PM in reply to: #868958 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Hi Dave Intervals are certainly one way to improve, but I really believe in tempo runs. I saw my runs times improve dramatically doing 3-6mile tempo runs at or slightly below my 10k pace. Have you tried this type of training? PS I really hate doing intervals! I am doing fartlek work right now and they are ok, but the minute my coach attaches distance to the program (e.g. 400m or 800m), I cringe! Same goes for Yasso's. Not sure why. Guess I am just a running weirdo. Suzy |
| 2007-07-02 9:07 PM in reply to: #869560 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! SSMinnow - 2007-07-02 6:05 PM Hi Dave Intervals are certainly one way to improve, but I really believe in tempo runs. I saw my runs times improve dramatically doing 3-6mile tempo runs at or slightly below my 10k pace. Have you tried this type of training? PS I really hate doing intervals! I am doing fartlek work right now and they are ok, but the minute my coach attaches distance to the program (e.g. 400m or 800m), I cringe! Same goes for Yasso's. Not sure why. Guess I am just a running weirdo. Suzy I agree with you Suzy. I was so slow at first I had to do these sprints to work up to short tempo runs. I never had a 10K time, or a 5K time. i just ran 10:30 miles and that was it. It was a suggestion for the person who doesn;t know pacing yet as a way to build leg strength and turnover. You could even do them at 75% to start and work your way up to 100%. Now I know I can run a 8:30 pace for a Half mary or 10K and a 8 minute pace for a 5K. It took me a solid season to figure this out! I have a few other workouts that I could share if you are interested that helped me to learn how to run faster and build strength. |
| 2007-07-02 9:13 PM in reply to: #869814 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Hmm so I can do intervals - slowly building them up until they can become a tempo run - sorta like a walk/run that slowly converted to run all the time that i did when i started ...only now it' run / run faster until i can get to tempo speed? sound reasonable to me |
| 2007-07-02 9:44 PM in reply to: #869814 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - OPEN 1 spot left! Hey Jeanne and Dave After writing the tempo comments, I started thinking that tempos are really pretty good for long distance training, 1/2s, but mainly full marathons. If your goal is shorter distance racing--sprints and Olys, interval training or fartleks are probably the way to go. Suzy |
| 2007-07-03 7:33 AM in reply to: #869822 |
Expert 686 Lake Geneva | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED Cool. Hey, where in the 'burbs do you live? I'm from Barrington originally. Edited by jeanneroth 2007-07-03 7:34 AM |
| 2007-07-03 8:17 AM in reply to: #870083 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED West Chicago - just southwest of barrington abot 5-8 miles |
| 2007-07-08 6:47 AM in reply to: #821775 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: First mini-brick....what's up with the legs? Hi All I completed an EZ 21m ride yesterday with the goal of doing a 2m run immediately after in preparation for an upcoming duathlon. It felt like I was running on two sticks--stiff and everything felt off. What do you do when you jump off the bike to avoid or reduce this feeling? stretch? I probably started out too fast given the transition too. Suzy
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| 2007-07-09 9:17 AM in reply to: #821775 |
| Member 10 | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) Happy to report I finished my first sprint Tri! They have not posted the official times yet for each part, but overall my time was 1 hour 29 minutes...SLOW but I am happy to have made it. Transitions were challenging....I now have some ideas of how to make them better. Onward to the Timberman Sprint in August here in NH.....I will now have something to benchmark against for myself...I am appreciating all the discussion around how to get faster because that is clearly my biggest problem...being an athena probably doesn't help, but am slowly losing weight and hope that will help as well....thanks for all the support and help, and Dave I really appreciate the comments on my training log! Donna |
| 2007-07-09 9:23 AM in reply to: #877032 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) Congratulations on finishing your first tri! Great accomplishment. |
| 2007-07-09 9:45 AM in reply to: #877032 |
Extreme Veteran 494 West Chicago | Subject: RE: JeanneRoth's Group - CLOSED! ;o) Slow is OK - YOU DID IT! congrats! |
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