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 2007-12-31 1:33 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Regular  60 |  Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSEDHi Everyone~ I can shed some light on the bent arm pulldowns as they are part of my strength training program. You need to stand up at the lat pull down machine, grab the bar and keep your elbow bent the same way as swimming. Basically, you are moving your arms and keeping the same form as your swim stroke. They are VERY challenging! Happy New Year!!! |
| 2007-12-31 1:40 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Expert 695  | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED |
| 2008-01-02 7:45 AM in reply to: #1090299 |
 Veteran 126 Delaware | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Pat, those are really useful links. Thank you! |
| 2008-01-02 8:56 AM in reply to: #1090299 |
| Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Thanks for all the links...making good use of my work day printing them out.  Hope all had a safe and fun New Year's Eve! Cheryl |
| 2008-01-02 9:18 AM in reply to: #1090299 |
| Expert 695 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED not a problem.. let's all think up some trainign goals for the next couple of weeks.. |
| 2008-01-03 7:05 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
| Expert 695 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED WHere is everyone? |
| 2008-01-03 7:50 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Veteran 126 Delaware | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Ok, SOMEONE's feeling a little neglected.....
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| 2008-01-03 8:00 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
| New user 8 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Swimming and weight training sounds like the big topic right now. Since everyone is offering personal advice, let me throw some experience into the mix. Weight training is great. Weight training for swimming is ok. Remember, the more muscle you build, the more weight you will be having to carry with you and that also increases drag. If you are just beginning the whole swim training it may be more beneficial, but keep in mind there is several types of muscle you can develop: Fast and Slow Twitch. The difference is lighter wight and more speed and endurance vs slower, stronger, and fewer reps. Think of it this way: A sprinter and a body builder both have big strong quads thatlook sculpted by Davinci. However, the sprinter has developed fast twitch to go and the body builder has slow twitch to lift a large amount of weight a few times. You want the fast twitch. Hope this still makes sense so far. The problem with weight training for swimming is you do not have the light weight and quick repetetive reps to build sleek fast twitch muscles. If you have access to a pool, just go swim. Reps will not give you the results that laps will. If you want to build the right muscle end your workout with a few hard no kick laps. If you really want to get somewhere add some training paddles. That will build what you are looking for while increasing your endurance. USFPyro |
| 2008-01-03 8:15 PM in reply to: #1132365 |
Member 39 Michigan | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Swimming scares me. No...not really, I just don't like to get wet and cold in the winter, but that all makes sense I do have a question for all of you guys (being from Michigan.."guys" means everybody, kind of like "all y'all" in the south): Are you following any of the BT training plans now? I'm kind of stuck between plans right now, and am not really good at putting my own together. What are you guys using? I think we all have the similar goal of the oly distance this summer, right? |
| 2008-01-03 8:23 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
| New user 8 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED I have heard good things about the bt plans. They are very structured and achievable. I personally train a little different, 1/3 endurance, 1/3 interval, 1/3 speed (not in that order). Kinda mixes my workouts up since I get really bored with mondane training sessions. USFPyro |
| 2008-01-03 8:37 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
| Expert 695 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Sory pryo.. but that's not correct... Slow Twitch (Type I) The slow muscles are more efficient at using oxygen to generate more fuel (known as ATP) for continuous, extended muscle contractions over a long time. They fire more slowly than fast twitch fibers and can go for a long time before they fatigue. Therefore, slow twitch fibers are great at helping athletes run marathons and bicycle for hours. Fast Twitch (Type II) Because fast twitch fibers use anaerobic metabolism to create fuel, they are much better at generating short bursts of strength or speed than slow muscles. However, they fatigue more quickly. Fast twitch fibers generally produce the same amount of force per contraction as slow muscles, but they get their name because they are able to fire more rapidly. Having more fast twitch fibers can be an asset to a sprinter since she needs to quickly generate a lot of force. Type IIa Fibers These fast twitch muscle fibers are also known as intermediate fast-twitch fibers. They can use both aerobic and anaerobic metabolism almost equally to create energy. In this way, they are a combination of Type I and Type II muscle fibers. Type IIb Fibers These fast twitch fibers use anaerobic metabolism to create energy and are the "classic" fast twitch muscle fibers that excel at producing quick, powerful bursts of speed. This muscle fiber has the highest rate of contraction (rapid firing) of all the muscle fiber types, but it also has a much faster rate of fatigue and can't last as long before it needs rest. |
| 2008-01-03 8:42 PM in reply to: #1132399 |
| Expert 695 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED allezmama - 2008-01-03 9:15 PM Swimming scares me. No...not really, I just don't like to get wet and cold in the winter, but that all makes sense I do have a question for all of you guys (being from Michigan.."guys" means everybody, kind of like "all y'all" in the south): Are you following any of the BT training plans now? I'm kind of stuck between plans right now, and am not really good at putting my own together. What are you guys using? I think we all have the similar goal of the oly distance this summer, right? Well what i plan on doing... is building my base with swimming which is something i'll do 3 times a week... then i'll be doing a trainer ride and a run/walk.... swimming is something that is not natural for some of us. but it can be worked on. what scares you? once we figure that out we can go from there. |
| 2008-01-04 7:57 AM in reply to: #1132455 |
Member 39 Michigan | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED I think it's more of being uncomfortable...I can swim, and have lots of room for improvement and it's not my favorite by a long shot. Things that concern me...in order of importance: Breathing and getting water up my nose, right arm pull stronger than left arm pull - I can swim in circles very easily, and I tire very quickly- see first concern. I'm the goofball at the back of the swim pack with the noseclips. I'd like to figure out how to breathe without sucking half the pool up my nose. One other little known secret I have...I was a synchronized swimmer for most of my "formative" years, and we always wore nose clips and swam with our faces out of the water. I'm trying to break two very long-standing habits. Suggestions??? |
| 2008-01-04 8:34 AM in reply to: #1090299 |
Regular 60 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Right on with all the muscles twitches! Interestingly, I have been reading up on this this past week so the timing of that thread was perfect. I have a swimming challenge -- BILATERAL BREATHING! I'm currently breathing out my right every 5th stroke, but just can't seem to get going out the left -- any suggestions other than just keep trying to do it?? And, I get frustrated so when I'm working out I give up because I want to get in a good workout - I try to commit to it at the beginning of each workout. I've been making a concentrated effort on working on my swim form and have noticed that learning how to position the body and pull properly with the arms makes a huge difference - I'm not as fatigued and my pace has picked up just in the past month. I found this article that really helped me work on my underwater pull http://www.trinewbies.com/Article2.asp?ArticleID=34 and I've watched a few videos on YouTube that show proper swimming positioning. I think I did a search on triathlon swim training or something similar. now if I can just get the breathing to become habit i'll be a regular fish -- the swim is the part i'm always the most nervous about come race day b/c with the pool you can always stop & touch the bottom and biking and running I feel I'm more more in control. |
| 2008-01-04 8:40 AM in reply to: #1090299 |
| Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Well, I am not doing anything “formal” right now of a training plan until after I do the Miami Marathon on Jan 27th. I have to run 23 miles tomorrow and I have been doing either strength training or spinning during lunch most days when I can sneak out of the office. Got stuck cancelling my spin class yesterday and taking the new girl to lunch. I start a swimming program next week (ie through a coach/tri store here in NYC) and the coach will give us 1-2 additional workouts to do per week. And on Jan 12-20 I will be on a cruise…but not any cruise…the www.cruisetorun.com where yep, we run in all the ports between tropical drinks! |
| 2008-01-04 1:23 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Member 22 Hamden, CT | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED I’m doing the intermediate Olympic 26 week 2 race training plan. Last season I built my own training plan and stuck to it, but I don’t feel I really pushed myself as far as I could have. I like the plan so far, admittedly I’m only in week one. For me, having a more structured plan is better, I’ll stick to it and allow it to push me further than I would have gone had I designed it myself. |
| 2008-01-04 7:13 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Veteran 182 Hillsboro, OR | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED I'm fortunate to have a tri club at the local gym and the club coach also does training plans for me. This is really great because he can take into account my weaknesses, what my goals are and what I need to work on to reach my goals. For the most part I do 1 brick workout per week (usually bike, then run), 2 bike workouts, 2 swim workout, 2 run workouts, 2 strength workouts (one that focuses on legs and one that focuses on upper body) as well as 3 short core workouts per week. Sounds like a lots, but if you look at my training log, it works out to about 6-7 hours per week. Edited by swgraham 2008-01-04 7:14 PM |
| 2008-01-05 10:55 AM in reply to: #1090299 |
| Expert 695 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Well while swimming yesterday i took note of somethings.. head placement. make sure your head is slightly up if you head is always looking at the spot under you you'll get water up your nose. breathing try to exhale some air before rotating your head to take a breath. this gives you more time to breath in making seemed less rushed.. always go for long smooth stroke that will help out more then anything.. |
| 2008-01-05 10:57 AM in reply to: #1090299 |
| Expert 695 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED SO what's up for this week??? 3 swims 2500 each(this is going to be by standard swim) 1 jog/eliptical 3.5 miles 1 30 min + trainer ride.. OK group your turn I want to see what and how long... then we'll hold ya to it. |
| 2008-01-05 12:16 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Veteran 126 Delaware | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED OK, well here's whats on tap for me:
I am starting my structured oly training program on the fourth week of Jan so I am going to be a little flaky with my workouts until then. I am going to upload my program this week before I go on vacation.
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| 2008-01-05 12:25 PM in reply to: #1135666 |
Veteran 126 Delaware | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Bajapat - 2008-01-05 11:55 AM head placement. make sure your head is slightly up if you head is always looking at the spot under you you'll get water up your nose. breathing try to exhale some air before rotating your head to take a breath. this gives you more time to breath in making seemed less rushed.. always go for long smooth stroke that will help out more then anything.. Hey Pat, question for you - I have been reading up on swimming and they often say to keep your head down so that you stay more aerodynamic (or hydro...), and that it helps keep your body aligned too. Shrug. It's not like I am an expert or anything.... I usually am looking a little in front of me when swimming, anyway. I guess you can do both, now that I think about it - keep your head down but look forward. As far as getting water up my nose - I have seemed to develop the habit of constantly breathing out when swimming (as opposed to holding my breath)- my swim instructor even told me to 'hum' to slow down my exhale. So I kinda hum 'one two three' with my strokes and then say BREATHE! in my head. And, like you say, I do breathe out while taking my head out of the water to take a breath in (mostly because I have air left in my lungs and need to exhale the rest of the way before inhaling again). That has worked for me regarding not snorting up the lovely pool water. One more thing - taking a swim lesson last year was the best thing I coulda done for my triathlon training. It is SUCH a difference to swim with the correct form. I learned that 'it's all about the glide' - not powering down the lane while making a big splash!! I highly recommend taking some competitive swim lessons if anyone feels shaky in the water (I took them at my local YMCA) |
| 2008-01-05 12:28 PM in reply to: #1133138 |
Veteran 126 Delaware | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Guerita - 2008-01-04 9:40 AM Well, I am not doing anything “formal” right now of a training plan until after I do the Miami Marathon on Jan 27th. I have to run 23 miles tomorrow and I have been doing either strength training or spinning during lunch most days when I can sneak out of the office. Got stuck cancelling my spin class yesterday and taking the new girl to lunch. I start a swimming program next week (ie through a coach/tri store here in NYC) and the coach will give us 1-2 additional workouts to do per week. And on Jan 12-20 I will be on a cruise…but not any cruise…the www.cruisetorun.com where yep, we run in all the ports between tropical drinks! That cruise sounds awesome!! Have a great time! And - hope you rock Miami!! |
| 2008-01-05 1:57 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Member 22 Hamden, CT | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Sunday: Bike 2h Monday: Bike 1h Swim 45m Tuesday: Bike 1h Run 30m Wednesday: Rest Thursday: Swim 45m Run 1h 20m Friday: Swim 1h Saturday: Bike 2h 30m Run 30 |
| 2008-01-05 1:59 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Member 22 Hamden, CT | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED Oh, the two a day workouts are split morning and evening. Whichever is shorter, I do before work in the morning and the other in the evening after the gym has cleared out a little. |
| 2008-01-05 4:04 PM in reply to: #1090299 |
Regular 60 | Subject: RE: Bajapat's Mentor group CLOSED My upcoming week: Sunday: 5 mile run (approx. 45 - 48 min) Monday: OFF Tuesday: morning 3.4 mile run (approx 27 - 32 min) / PM spin class 45 min Wed: morning run 3.4 miles / PM swim: 1400 yds 45 min drill workout from swimplan.com Th: AM spin class 45 min / PM weights Fri: swim: 1400 yds 45 min drill workout from swimplan.com Sat: Run: 5 mile Sun: Run: 3.4 miles / Swim: 1500 - 1760 yds easy There is a really good site I use to get free swim workouts - swimplan.com, you can track your progress and it generates workout programs based on your performance and goals But does anyone have any tips on bilateral breathing -- my left side just doesn't cooperate! |
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