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Plus this morning when I finished my run I weighed 188lbs.  Now I'm 194. That's some serious eating!!


2011-01-12 6:31 AM
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Hello all!  I am in week two of training for my first HIM.  I am planning on doing the White Lake 1 HIM.  I created a custom 3X balanced plan on this site to follow. It is not the first time following a plan.  I have done some 1/2 marys, sprints, century rides and such, and one full mary.  I am excited about the training and the race.  I too am tired and hungry all the time now.
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betoguerrero - 2011-01-11 10:11 PM

Not even sure if this is the correct forum =)


Hi everyone,
Started training for my first Half IM, but still have not decided when/where - most likely sometime in May/June and hopefully somewhere near the Ocean.


I am finishing up the Prep Phase this week for the Gulf Coast Triathlon HIM, Panama City, FL on May 7. check it out!
2011-01-12 1:09 PM
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JG_GreenCoast - 2011-01-11 9:24 PM Ok...so...I know this has been discussed before in this thread, but I am going through the swim terminology and have a question.  I have a speed day in week 12 tomorrow:

The warm up and cool down are understood, but the main is:
16x50: descend 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16

So this means that in every 4 sets of 50, i start (set 1) at a higher RPE, then lower, then lower, then lowest.  Then I restart set 5 at a high RPE, and repeat the same process 5-8, then 9-12, then 13-16

Is this correct? 



Yo JG, descending means you do each set faster than the last (hence the RPE going up in each set).  I also noticed that a few weeks ago you were asking about if a backstroke, or different strokes in general other than freestyle, was really that useful while training.  When my brother had me doing th individual medley in my workout I asked him the same thing.  He put it in terms I could understand by stating:

"When you want to max out your bench press at the gym do you go and do ONLY bench press?  No, you do multiple excercises that work different mucles that will help your bench press max out.  Now try to do the butterfly again so I can laugh more."
2011-01-12 1:54 PM
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mrfranks_84 - 2011-01-12 1:09 PM
JG_GreenCoast - 2011-01-11 9:24 PM Ok...so...I know this has been discussed before in this thread, but I am going through the swim terminology and have a question.  I have a speed day in week 12 tomorrow:

The warm up and cool down are understood, but the main is:
16x50: descend 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16

So this means that in every 4 sets of 50, i start (set 1) at a higher RPE, then lower, then lower, then lowest.  Then I restart set 5 at a high RPE, and repeat the same process 5-8, then 9-12, then 13-16

Is this correct? 



Yo JG, descending means you do each set faster than the last (hence the RPE going up in each set).  I also noticed that a few weeks ago you were asking about if a backstroke, or different strokes in general other than freestyle, was really that useful while training.  When my brother had me doing th individual medley in my workout I asked him the same thing.  He put it in terms I could understand by stating:

"When you want to max out your bench press at the gym do you go and do ONLY bench press?  No, you do multiple excercises that work different mucles that will help your bench press max out.  Now try to do the butterfly again so I can laugh more."


thanks brah.  When I get out of class/work I can't wait to do this! 
2011-01-12 6:15 PM
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So it turns out 1 degree incline on the treadmill makes a pretty big difference. First time in a while my legs are sore after a run. Speed and HR remained the same, but the legs feel goooooood!


2011-01-12 6:23 PM
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I always make sure if I'm on a treadmill that's it's on an incline. 1.0 I heard is the closest thing to the road
2011-01-12 6:37 PM
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Everything I've heard is that it mimicks the air resistance in terms of effort. I've been running on a TM all winter and was in AZ over Christmas and was able to run outside. I ran way faster outside and had no sore legs.

I'd say the 1 degree incline mimicks a hill, albeit a little hill.....but a 6 mile little hill adds up ;-)
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DV 1 - 2011-01-12 6:37 PM Everything I've heard is that it mimicks the air resistance in terms of effort. I've been running on a TM all winter and was in AZ over Christmas and was able to run outside. I ran way faster outside and had no sore legs.

I'd say the 1 degree incline mimicks a hill, albeit a little hill.....but a 6 mile little hill adds up ;-)


The one degree incline actually doesn't mimic anything besides standard track/outdoor running.  It compensates for wind resistance, no incline.  On a treadmill, you are standing in place (well running--but mostly not moving forward or backward), whereas outside you are moving ahead at a given pace and not staying in roughly one place. 
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I am in the 7th week of my Training program for my 1st half ironman  "Gator Half" On March 20th, 2011. At this time I am not using a BT plan but one I found in the Triathlete Magazine called the Super Simple Half Ironman. I don't want to change plans in the middle so but next time I will try a BT plan.

My strength in each discipline I believe are in this order best to worst.  Cycling, Running I believe are hand in hand could go either way Swimming is my worst not bad but could use some improvements on that especially.

I know there is always improvement in all areas.

I have been heavy into cycling since May of 2008 and started back into running later that same year. I have competed in our local tri-sprints and that is what got me hooked.

I have also road in the MS Bike ride the past 2years and will participate for a third time.

a few of the things I am a little nervous is is the open water swim since I live in Colorado I wont have a chance to train for that. I am leaving for Florida a week earlier hopefully to get some in.

enough fuel to maintain energy I did get some Hammer Sustained energy and  Hammer Heed which I have been using on my long rides and doesn't make me sick.

Pacing myself on each discipline


Equipment purchased 1. a new Specialized Tarmac Elite
                                   2. I just purchased a QR wetsuit
those are the big items besides
                                   Fuel, goggles, caps , shoes and other equipment

any other tips and suggestions would be a big help.
           
2011-01-13 8:12 AM
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So how did that descending swim workout treat ya, JG?  I had a rough day yesterday but mainly because I learned a valuable lesson in nutrition: Don't eat the hottest hot sauce that the BBQ pit has to offer at lunch time.  It will make you stomach extremely upset when you start running and biking later on in the day.  Not to mention it was just so painfully hot I don't see how it's enjoyable to eat in the first place.



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mrfranks_84 - 2011-01-13 8:12 AM

So how did that descending swim workout treat ya, JG?  I had a rough day yesterday but mainly because I learned a valuable lesson in nutrition: Don't eat the hottest hot sauce that the BBQ pit has to offer at lunch time.  It will make you stomach extremely upset when you start running and biking later on in the day.  Not to mention it was just so painfully hot I don't see how it's enjoyable to eat in the first place.



It was good...I was exhausted when I started it but gutted my way through it.  Encouraging sign. Worked from 6am-5pm.  Very hard spin class from 530-630, then like an hour and a half of lying down + dinner, then the swim at like 830.  I planned on swimming after spin but it was so f-ing hard.  The swim felt good and like a nice recovery--i didn't go that hard.  Still...the descend was nice   
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betoguerrero - 2011-01-11 10:11 PM Not even sure if this is the correct forum =)


Hi everyone,
Started training for my first Half IM, but still have not decided when/where - most likely sometime in May/June and hopefully somewhere near the Ocean.
I have raced in two Olympic Triathlons - my swimming is still deficient so I'm focusing on my form this time around.
Even though I get my 8 hours of sleep, I feel tired.. and even though I eat my 4 meals, I'm always hungry!  
This is the first time I will follow a program - so far I like the structure that comes from following one.
I think the hardest thing is going to be able to balance my training with my diet and rest. I welcome any tips!  I have already started bringing everywhere I go -  a protein bar, some fruit and those delicious mixed nuts they sell at Trader Joes.
Happy training everyone!
Cheers, 
Beto


Welcome to BT! Congrats on taking on your first HIM! If you are hungry all the time, make sure you are eating enough protein and fat.
when you pick a race, I hope you choose this plan and stick around in this thread so we can follow you as you work toward your first HIM!
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fowlmood - 2011-01-12 10:39 PM I am in the 7th week of my Training program for my 1st half ironman  "Gator Half" On March 20th, 2011. At this time I am not using a BT plan but one I found in the Triathlete Magazine called the Super Simple Half Ironman. I don't want to change plans in the middle so but next time I will try a BT plan.

My strength in each discipline I believe are in this order best to worst.  Cycling, Running I believe are hand in hand could go either way Swimming is my worst not bad but could use some improvements on that especially.

I know there is always improvement in all areas.

I have been heavy into cycling since May of 2008 and started back into running later that same year. I have competed in our local tri-sprints and that is what got me hooked.

I have also road in the MS Bike ride the past 2years and will participate for a third time.

a few of the things I am a little nervous is is the open water swim since I live in Colorado I wont have a chance to train for that. I am leaving for Florida a week earlier hopefully to get some in.

enough fuel to maintain energy I did get some Hammer Sustained energy and  Hammer Heed which I have been using on my long rides and doesn't make me sick.

Pacing myself on each discipline


Equipment purchased 1. a new Specialized Tarmac Elite
                                   2. I just purchased a QR wetsuit
those are the big items besides
                                   Fuel, goggles, caps , shoes and other equipment

any other tips and suggestions would be a big help.
           


Welcome! If you haven't checked it out yet, the Iron Distance forum is for people training for both half and full ironmans. You can find it here.
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So... after uncertainty about doing the 70.3 in Orlando, I decided to bag it.

New plan is Austin on October 23, meaning training starts in June. Anyone else in for Austin? 
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I love that this thread is so active! Thank you to all of you who contribute.


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ratherbeswimming - 2011-01-13 3:25 PM So... after uncertainty about doing the 70.3 in Orlando, I decided to bag it.

New plan is Austin on October 23, meaning training starts in June. Anyone else in for Austin? 


Thinking about it...trying to decide between that and a full marathon.  Also seeing if someone will do Ironman Provence (france) with me.  If I can drag someone along...I'm in for that one, if not, probably austin 
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JG_GreenCoast - 2011-01-13 4:35 PM
ratherbeswimming - 2011-01-13 3:25 PM So... after uncertainty about doing the 70.3 in Orlando, I decided to bag it.

New plan is Austin on October 23, meaning training starts in June. Anyone else in for Austin? 


Thinking about it...trying to decide between that and a full marathon.  Also seeing if someone will do Ironman Provence (france) with me.  If I can drag someone along...I'm in for that one, if not, probably austin 



Full Ironman or half in France?  Either way, sounds like it would be one hell of a trip.  Saving all my money for going to Kona to watch my brother compete again this year.  Otherwise, I might've been able to go.
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mrfranks_84 - 2011-01-14 7:01 AM
JG_GreenCoast - 2011-01-13 4:35 PM
ratherbeswimming - 2011-01-13 3:25 PM So... after uncertainty about doing the 70.3 in Orlando, I decided to bag it.

New plan is Austin on October 23, meaning training starts in June. Anyone else in for Austin? 


Thinking about it...trying to decide between that and a full marathon.  Also seeing if someone will do Ironman Provence (france) with me.  If I can drag someone along...I'm in for that one, if not, probably austin 



Full Ironman or half in France?  Either way, sounds like it would be one hell of a trip.  Saving all my money for going to Kona to watch my brother compete again this year.  Otherwise, I might've been able to go.


Half...http://ironmanpaysdaix.com/
Kona sounds sweet too..my first full IM will probably be Zurich.  My brother lives there. 
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Finsihing up the prep phase this week - today was swim/bike - transition in the locker room was interesting...I have a new appreciation for my tri-suit! Next week is Base 1. Wish it wasn't so d__n cold maybe I could get outside for at least the long bike.
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Half marathon on Sunday.  Super excited!  Question...is it a bad idea to go out and ride for an hour or so on Saturday?


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From pool to open water

I will be participating in my 1st Half Ironman in March I live in Colorado and I won't be able to do any open water swim until I get to Florida a few days before the race. How much difference between open water and pool and what should I expect.

So Far my plan is to stay towards the rear and on the far side of the buoy on the turns. Mainly because I am not sure how fast I am compared to others and don't want to get swam over.
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akrenik - 2011-01-14 9:39 PM Half marathon on Sunday.  Super excited!  Question...is it a bad idea to go out and ride for an hour or so on Saturday?


I don't have advice, I have the same question (for next weekend)...
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akrenik - 2011-01-14 9:39 PM Half marathon on Sunday.  Super excited!  Question...is it a bad idea to go out and ride for an hour or so on Saturday?


Depends on your goals. If this is a major PR attempt and the HM is super important, don't ride. But if you are just out there to do well and it's part of a larger goal (triathlon), then do a nice, easy ride today.
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fowlmood - 2011-01-14 10:44 PM From pool to open water

I will be participating in my 1st Half Ironman in March I live in Colorado and I won't be able to do any open water swim until I get to Florida a few days before the race. How much difference between open water and pool and what should I expect.

So Far my plan is to stay towards the rear and on the far side of the buoy on the turns. Mainly because I am not sure how fast I am compared to others and don't want to get swam over.


Well, unfortunately there is a huge difference between the pool and the open water. Make sure you get in the water as much as you can once you get the FL before the race.
Many people experience feelings of panic, feel like they can't breath, and feel totally unprepared for the physical contact with other people in the open water. Staying toward the back is fine, but if there are waves starting after yours, you will have people swimming past you from the later waves. You need to mentally prepare for this.
Do you belong to a Masters swim group? That will at least get you used to swimming with other people nearby. Some Masters classes are more geared toward triathletes and may have you practicing swim starts with groups of people or might use the pool without lane dividers once in awhile to get you used to swimming in a mass of people.
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