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 2011-07-10 5:30 PM in reply to: #3435045 |
Extreme Veteran  624   Spring TX |  Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE!CANON, congrats on your first triathlon! Sounds like you picked a difficult race. Good luck with your training and your next race. DENISE, when exactly is Racine? Next weekend? I wouldn't rule out breaking your 1st place streak. I think your husband should change the rules and get you a bike for just finishing your first HIM (or even contemplating it). MANDY, looks like you are ready for your race! Good luck to you as well! STEVE, sorry to hear that you are still having issues with you hip. I did finally break down and go to a sports medicine doctor a few days before my vacation, not wanting to have problems while I was gone, although I was about back to 90%. She x-rayed my hip, told me I had some arthritis, but that I had bad arthritis in my lower back (no surprise there after two back surgeries). She said it sounded like I had bursitis in my hip and prescribed a Medrol dose pack which she said I could take prior to leaving or take with me in case I had any problems. At this point, I still haven't taken it since I've had so much improvement. I agree with DENISE, sounds like a little "downtime" might be in order! VERONICA, have a great time in Oregon! TRINA, I feel your HEAT!!! If you can keep running through the summer, you might be surprised at how well you will do once the weather starts to cool off! LISA |
| 2011-07-10 6:59 PM in reply to: #3435045 |
Extreme Veteran 624 Spring TX | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! |
| 2011-07-11 7:18 AM in reply to: #3435045 |
New user 60 Swansea, IL | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Competing in a new sprint event this weekend. I rode the course yesterday and, although its the shortest I've ever done, its one big hill after another on both the ride and run. To make matters worse, the July heat/humidity has settled in (yesterday's heat index was well over a 100). I start at 8 am so should be done by 9:30. Hoping for a cool front Sat. nite. |
| 2011-07-11 9:57 AM in reply to: #3586586 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! MANDY - I will try to arrange the day so that i am there later on. I should be able to do this, but won't know for sure for a few days. Allow your mind all the latitude it needs at this point. So, if the motivation isn't there, THAT IS FINE. Far better it be there on the 24th than now. And really, that's what tapering is all (or at least partially) about -- allowing your systems to regroup and coalesce. It's very good to hear that your body feels good; now don't do anything at all the jeopardize that! Sleeping well, generally? Edited by stevebradley 2011-07-15 5:40 PM |
| 2011-07-11 10:09 AM in reply to: #3589282 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! DENISE - 1209 is a good number. You've got the 1 and 2 which equal 3, and we all know that 3 times 3 is nine, which is anchoring your number at the end. Perfect! Perfect, too, is all the connections there with the threeness of triathlon. Could hardly be any better! As for swimming wide -- don't do it. Or, rather, don't feel you have to. That six minutes break is huge, and the best of those swimmers won't be on you until your 9th or 10th minute at least, and many of those young pups won't be all that strong in the water anyhow. As I have said before, in spite of worry-talk about being swum over, it doesn't happen regularly -- especially anywhere other than thorny mass starts. For a swimmer to swim over another puts the aggressor at huge risk of being kicked, elbowed, or grabbed, and nothing at all is in his control beyond the decision to swim over someone rather than around them. And for a good swimmer, it is hardly any bit longer to accelerate and go around a slower swimmer -- it is to them what go around another cyclist or runner is to us. That's a very generous cut-off time, and the only way you won't beat it by a lot is if you get injured and have to crawl on your belly like a reptile. I wouldn't figure you for the nervous type, so I'm not surprised that you haven't hit that stage yet iwth Racine. For many people "going long" for the first time or few, they don't feel the nervousness becasue it sems pretty big, and also they don't have any firm times goals. So, it's kind of terra incognita, with infinite time (or 9 hours, which comes first  ). No sweat! Okay, what is "kringle"? |
| 2011-07-11 11:25 AM in reply to: #3435045 |
Expert 801 Oklahoma City | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Steve - I hear you on flexibility. I think yoga does help it a little, but mostly helps me with core strength and balance. I enjoy it and it calms my brain down so that's also good. I'm not holding-out much hope of it affecting my weight because I've done yoga before and it didn't budge, but who knows? Maybe it will. I also do some pretty extensive stretching after each run. You are right - this weather is silliness and I just can't train in it. I miscalculated how long it would take me to ride a new route Saturday, and ended-up riding the last hour in 100F+ heat. I headed straight for the swimming pool when I got home - in my cycling clothes! Then I passed-out for about four hours and woke with a headache. I'm thinking heat exhaustion. This heat is dangerous and it is silly to be out in it. I have to be out on my bike at 6:30am and in before 10am or I'm in trouble. Oh well...I guess this weather is teaching me how to be a morning person. lol And good luck with that hip. Sorry it's still bothering you. Denise - Good luck with Racine. 10 for 10 is definitely new bike worthy! Go get it! Lisa - Wow, Alaska sounds soooooo nice right now! Record-breaking heat every day here in Oklahoma. I'd go there now, but we are leaving for Italy next month so have to save my pocket change. Edited by kickitinok 2011-07-11 11:28 AM |
| 2011-07-11 9:06 PM in reply to: #3435045 |
Extreme Veteran 996 Minnesota | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Kringles are butter-layered Danish pastries that were first introduced to Racine, Wisconsin in the late 1800s by immigrant Danish bakers. In Denmark, they are traditionally pretzel-shaped, almond-filled coffee cakes called Wienerbroth (Viennese bread). At one time Racine was home to more Danes than anywhere else in the country and as a result there are more Kringler shops in Racine than you'll find anywhere else. |
| 2011-07-11 9:11 PM in reply to: #3435045 |
Extreme Veteran 996 Minnesota | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Trina/Lisa, Trina just got back from a music festival vacation and now she's going to Italy. And Lisa just got back from Alaska. And here I am training hours every day and feeling guilty if I go away for the weekend. I am envious. Although not envious of your climates - if I had your weather I would not be able to train hours a day (hey, that's an idea) Denise |
| 2011-07-12 6:38 AM in reply to: #3591746 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! JOE/LISA/TRINA/DENISE - I owe you all! Tonight? I hope? |
| 2011-07-12 7:20 AM in reply to: #3435045 |
| New user 60 Swansea, IL | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Ran 5 miles this morning (skipped my noontime run yesterday due to heat). Already 80 degrees at 6 am. Weather supposed to break somewhat later this week...but then heat up again for the weekend. I want to compete just once in good weather. Every event the last three years was either cold/windy, raining or hotter than blazes. Heat index supposed to be 112 again today so will probably miss my Tuesday group ride. I guess I'm supposed to be tapering somewhat anyway... |
| 2011-07-12 2:23 PM in reply to: #3435045 |
Expert 1191 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Steve, Got some questions about how you go about measuring your fitness during training as you ramp to your races. I'm certain it depends on a number of variables such as race distance, A/B/C priority, terrain, weather (i.e.. heat) etc... But lets say for an A-priority Olympic distance race. What are the key workouts (S/B/R tests) that you perform prior to the race to gauge your fitness? Perhaps the Olympic distance is too short and you will just go out and do a race simulation. Interested in hearing your comments. |
| 2011-07-12 5:38 PM in reply to: #3592138 |
Extreme Veteran 996 Minnesota | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! jrhesq - 2011-07-12 7:20 AM Ran 5 miles this morning (skipped my noontime run yesterday due to heat). Already 80 degrees at 6 am. Weather supposed to break somewhat later this week...but then heat up again for the weekend. I want to compete just once in good weather. Every event the last three years was either cold/windy, raining or hotter than blazes. Heat index supposed to be 112 again today so will probably miss my Tuesday group ride. I guess I'm supposed to be tapering somewhat anyway... I think we're both in for a pretty hot race this weekend. In a way, miserable race conditions relax me - I feel like I've got an excuse for not doing well - haha. Good luck - maybe it will be overcast - that helps a bit. Denise |
| 2011-07-13 9:55 PM in reply to: #3592138 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! JOE - Well, there's good news and there's bad news. The bad news is that even though you wnat to get in a decent workout, the weather is preventing that from happening. The good news is --as you suggest -- that it is tapertime so the heat doesn't matter anyhow. Does that make something or other there a win/win? Maybe? As long as you have trained fairly diligently for this race, your work is done and anything you will do between now and race day won't make much of a difference. That is another good/bad news situation for most triathletes --- they (we??) are obsessive enough to want to do hard-core workouts right up untio race day, but honest to god, it really doesn't matter. So, the bad news is the former, and the good news is the latter. Something like that. Vacation in Ontario for August and paln to race every weekend, and you WILL get a break with the weather. In fact, I should go to my race history and review all the races I have done in Ontario and New York in Aug and Sept and see how many were blessed with decent weather. My guess is 80-85%, which ain't too shabby, eh? |
| 2011-07-13 10:01 PM in reply to: #3590524 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! TRINA - You must know this already, but a good indicator of advanced heat stress is when the slin goes dry, and maybe even goosebumps grow. I have had a few episodes of that, but not for many years. We don't have a pool, but there have been times I have just turned the hose on and gasped like a fool under very cold water, with the gsping lasting many minutes. It is kind of scary, how demanding my body was, and how poorly it seems to be taking in what it was so desperately craving. The hip was geting better, but has takne a turn for the worse since Sunday. I'm not sure how telling this is, and my next bike ride will be a good indicator. I am quite depressed about this, but working hard to not let it show!  Humbug..... |
| 2011-07-13 10:05 PM in reply to: #3591729 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! DENISE - How are we doing, kid? You still sound loosey-goosey, which is the best way to be for one's first half-iron. It is probably a great thing that your focus is aimed towards Kringles.....and I really do mean that. I guess i know you will get your game aface on when it matters, and the later the better. When are you heading down? Friday, maybe, or possibly even tomorrow? Your daughter is still conveniently located in Madison, yes? And that would be about 2.5 or 3 hours from Racine, perhaps? just checking. The carb content of Kringles must be pretty huge, making them in theory a good racre day food.....until the butter content is figured in. Urp? Let me know how you're feeling and what you're thinking, eh? |
| 2011-07-13 10:22 PM in reply to: #3593130 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! JEFF - No, olympic distance is NOT too short to try to gauge my fitness, but my nowadays formula is pretty simple. You mention race simulation, and that's quite close -- it really is just a bunch of tempo sessions for the requisite distances. In effect, that's a race simulation, but I'm not aiming for similar terrain or including full-scale bricks. I'm really just shooting for the same sustained speed/power as I hoping to nail on race day. I know, however, that no matter how hard I push it in tempo-training, there's always that bit harder I can go on race day -- especially the bike. I don't rely on that, but it's just something that happens 9 times out of 10. It changes some with thr run, as I may do 10km faster in training as a stand-alone effort, but will be able to run through more discomfort on race day -- even if my time is not as fast. that's just frusther eveidence that I am unwilling to slay myself in training, and what I just said doesn't diminish my disappointment, which I have mentioned to you before, that I don't go as deep into That Place in races as I wish I could. I can and do suffer in races....but could go sooo much further with it. maybe, then, I have to return to those days of killer treadmill sessions that verge on being near-death experiences. But even when I did those, I couldn't bring that same I-hate-myself-and-want-to-die commitment to races. In the past, with a hilly race on the horizon I have tried to be more diligent about cycling in hills, but that requires a fair effort to get to a place with challenging hills. So, mostly, I take the smaller hills I can get to and treat them as bigger than they are. That usually means running tougher gears than needed, or pushing myself that much harder to simulate a mountain from a mere molehill. As for heat, i know of some people who will layer in summer, just to simuklate the possibilities of raceday heat. Or, similarly, people who make it a point to do their longer runs in mid-afternoon, as opposed to 5 a.m. or 8 p.m. I have deliberately subjected myself to wicked heat on occasion, but kind of gave that up when I relaized that how my body handles heat is not at all predictable. That is, sometimes I do okay, other times I wilt in the extreme. Is any of the above what you were looking for? Let me know if not, and I will try again! |
| 2011-07-14 4:05 PM in reply to: #3595598 |
Extreme Veteran 996 Minnesota | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! stevebradley - 2011-07-13 10:01 PM The hip was geting better, but has takne a turn for the worse since Sunday. I'm not sure how telling this is, and my next bike ride will be a good indicator. I am quite depressed about this, but working hard to not let it show! Humbug.....I am so sorry. This is not good. Maybe you should get some pie from your favorite pie shop - won't help the hip but maybe take your mind off it for about 5 minutes. Denise |
| 2011-07-14 4:18 PM in reply to: #3435045 |
Extreme Veteran 996 Minnesota | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! I'm leaving tomorrow am for Madison - will take my daughter out to buy supplies (she doesn't have a car and it's a tradition to stock her up with shampoo, detergent, etc). Then out for dinner but I told her I'm scheduled for bed at 8pm. Then Racine Sat am - it's about 2 hours - drive the bike course x2, packet pickup, bike check,etc. NO kringle pre-race. I had heard that there wasn't much post-race food left for back-of-packers so I'm stashing some in my transition bag for after race. That will hold me for an hour 'til I get me some steak, mushrooms,onions,augratins,baguettes with butter,decadent chocolate dessert,pie. I had planned on just GU (alternating reg and Roctane) and water because that's all I've used in training. But I'm hearing a lot of buzz about salt tabs because the heat index is forecast 102. But I've never done those - should I get some anyway - I suppose they'll have them at the expo. Denise |
| 2011-07-14 4:18 PM in reply to: #3435045 |
Extreme Veteran 996 Minnesota | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! |
| 2011-07-14 10:45 PM in reply to: #3596988 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! DENISE - Straight salt tablets can wreak havoc on a person, so I'd recommend against using them. The people at Hammer Nutrition will argue til the cows come home that we all have enough sodium in our systems to not need salt tablets, and they are true to their conviction by not having much sodium in each of their Endurolyte capsules - 40mg sodium (as sodium chloride) and 60mg chloride (as sodium chloride). Does thta count as 100mg sodium, then? I've never gotten my head around that. ANYHOW, that ain't much sodium, at least compared to what is found in other electrolyte products. I think if you calculate the sodium that is in regular Gu and Roctane, you will fine that if you take 4-8 of a combination of those you will get more sodium than you need. Any thought of energy drinks, even what is on the run course? If so, that would add more sodium. And unless you are a heavy sweater (but how could you be, as according to the old adage: "horses sweat, men perspire, women glisten") --- or even a heavy glistener --- you shouldn't need salt tablets. A big thought for you is to maybe go 2:1 or even 3:1 in Roctane:straight Gu, or use Gu early on and then switch to Roctane as the bike hits about 25 miles. I think Roctane has a good profile of the other electrolytes, and on a hot day the magnesium in Roctane could keep serious cramping at bay. But all the stuff -- sodium, potatssium, magnesium, calcium, manganese, and a handful of amino acids --I am sure is in Roctane will help a LOT with cramping and keeping you away from bonking. So if you can stomach Roctane with impunity, that should be your go-to for Racine! Any thoughts on back-up food if (or is it when??) your system wants to rebel against flat-out sweet gels? It is good to be pro-active about this, meaning that take in some of that stuff while on the bike, just to sprread out the steady diet of gels. Do you have a Bento Box? If so, then put a bunch of baby pretzels in it, or something like Pringles chips, or my favorite -- Clif Mojo bars! I have a problem with my stomach getting sick and tired of the same-old during half-irons, and by and large I am not as good about practicing being pro-active as I am preaching it. Just a thought! I will try to get on the Gu website and see what the profile is for both of those products. How many do you figure you will consume? Iknow the Gu folfk recommend one every 45 minutes, so if you're thinking of a six-hour day that would be eight of them -- or nine, I guess, if you are planning on staring before the swim. But is it eight, because you wouldn't have one in the final 100 yards of the run? Hmmm. Okay, eight OR nine for six hours! Then we'l multiply that times SODIUM, and it should be over 500mg -- and thta's not including what's in your body before the race even begins. Onwards! |
| 2011-07-14 10:59 PM in reply to: #3597492 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! DENISE again - Just checking the Gu website, and I'm surprsied that their porducts don't have magnesium. I think the only one I didn't check was the Recovery Brew, but that's not really designed for in-race usage. As for sodium, though, if you take 4 Roctane that will give you 4 x 125mg of sodium, and e 4 Gu would be 4 x 40, so that's a pretty whopping 660mg of added sodium. Does that sound sufficient for your needs, you glistener, you? |
| 2011-07-15 8:26 AM in reply to: #3596989 |
| New user 60 Swansea, IL | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Thanks for the encouragement, Denise. Heat is supposed to be brutal so, combined with the hilly course, i'm keeping my expectations low. Gonna treat it as a training event/warm up for my next sprint next month. Will update everyone Sunday. I'm looking forward to hearing about Racine. Keep the faith and go get'em. |
| 2011-07-15 8:29 AM in reply to: #3435045 |
Extreme Veteran 624 Spring TX | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Good luck to JOE and DENISE this weekend! Can't wait for the race reports. Wish I could send cooler weather your way! LISA |
| 2011-07-15 8:32 AM in reply to: #3597838 |
Expert 701 Caratunk, Maine | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! Best of luck to Joe and Denise this weekend!! HYDRATE!! Dump water on your head!! Have fun! |
| 2011-07-15 8:36 AM in reply to: #3590285 |
Expert 701 Caratunk, Maine | Subject: RE: BigSkiesMentorGroup - COMPLETE! stevebradley - 2011-07-11 10:57 AM MANDY - I will try to arrange the day so that ia m there later on. I should be able to do this, but won't know for suree for a few days. Allow your mind all the latritude it needs at this point. So, if the motivation isn't htre, THAT IS FINE. Far better it be there on the 24th than now. And really, that's what tapering is all (or at least partially) about -- allowing your systems to regroup and coalesce. It's very good to hear that your body feels good; now don't do anything at all the jeopardize that! Sleeping well, generally? Awesome!! I hope it works out so I can see you!! You are a full service mentor! I feel..OK Undermotivated. Tired. Hungry. I have been sleeping OK. I was supposed to do a 3hr ride yesterday, but work just didn't allow it. I am going to do it tomorrow (supposed to be a day off, but it just fits better.) I took yesterday off so I am considering that a fair switch. 9 days! We may be getting a puppy. I am not sure I am ready, I still miss my Bailey so much. But we will see. Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing you, Mandy |
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