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 2012-10-26 1:29 PM in reply to: #4470589 |
Master  1967    |  Subject: RE: Time to allow doping? Really?powerman - 2012-10-26 11:21 AM MUL98 - 2012-10-26 10:03 AM ironultrared - 2012-10-25 6:26 PM I do think some of the top pros are doping. And some of the top Ag'ers. It's probably more of a problem than most of us would like to think. But I don't believe in a separate league, or allowing people to openly dope. Then it becomes a competition of doping regimens and who has the most money. If people still have a fear of getting caught, then we can keep honest men honest. I wish testing would start happening in order to claim a podium spot. But I don't want to waste one cent on an "open doping league." Besides, I don't really believe having two leagues would work the way it should. The beauty of this plan is that you wouldn't have to waste a cent on open doping. If you don't want to support it you don't. The dopers can go where they want, you know where they are and can ignore them at your leisure. All your support can go to the clean league. As to testing keeping "honest men honest," it's really not working out that way in any sport. Hell, there's recebntly been doping scandals in table tennis. Yes, not even ping pong is clean! there is no such thing as black and white.... so you allow doping, it changes nothing. People will start to not care for dopers. Why should they? You have a talented guy, that would rather see gains from chemistry than from work. What do I care about watching him? That is exactly what would happen. Those talented athlete that want short cuts. I see no reason why their share of the revenue pie would be bigger. Also, you have some breakthrough in some new dope, and some people have it and some don't. It will probably be even more expensive and then only some will have it and some don't. Once again PEDs are determining winners, not hard work and talent. So then you have clean athletes. Tops at what they do. Not only that, hard working to get the most out of their talent the right way. And they can still compete, without becoming an science experiment and risking their health. That's the guy I want to watch. Someone that is showing me what the human body is capable of, not what steroids and drugs are capable of.... their revenue grows. Well heck... then I better go where the money is and I know how to not get caught. CHEATING. And if they do get caught, so what, just go to doping league. You scenario is not going to stop cheating. It is not going to solve who gets watched. The point is to deal with performance through chemistry and not make it easier. I actually think the market result of a two league system is something different. My guess is that doped leagues do better economically than clean leagues. Fans don't actually care all that much about doping - sure they like to say they do but they don't - and they really love to see super human athletes. Longer home runs. Bigger hits. Faster. Stronger. But I think the only way a two league system works is if the clean leagues have very tight controls. A single positive test results in a lifetime ban. Any participation in a non-testing league means no participation in a clean league ever etc... |
| 2012-10-26 2:56 PM in reply to: #4470816 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Time to allow doping? Really? MUL98 - 2012-10-26 12:29 PM I actually think the market result of a two league system is something different. My guess is that doped leagues do better economically than clean leagues. Fans don't actually care all that much about doping - sure they like to say they do but they don't - and they really love to see super human athletes. Longer home runs. Bigger hits. Faster. Stronger. But I think the only way a two league system works is if the clean leagues have very tight controls. A single positive test results in a lifetime ban. Any participation in a non-testing league means no participation in a clean league ever etc... It's all a guess right now. All we have to go on is regular sports with cheating athletes. I know what the home run race did for baseball... but it was still possible to look the other way and "pretend" they were not doping. You don't need PEDs to have a home run race, just change the balls... But fans don't want to see the game rigged, they want to see some consistency. Even is football records today are hard to relate to the "old greats" because it is much more offense oriented. But if athletes knew they could compete at the top level with out having to become a human pin cushion and science experiment, my guess is that they would not. So we do not know how it would actually go down, perhaps all the great athletes stay in the clean league and no go through the crap in the doped one. Even Lance...which is why we are even discussing this. He was only such a great story because he "wasn't doping". I truly believed when he was winning tours he was clean. Now knowing what we know...those accomplishments do not seem that great. Not only was he the best doped rider, he had the best doped team. So it just isn't as special. So even if they opened the league today and told Lance he can do what he wants.... meh. What's the point? |
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