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2012-12-13 8:35 AM
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velocomp - 2012-12-13 8:26 AM

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I will not I am not pro union.   I always laugh when I see the statement it is to reduce wages.  I understand that wages might be lower, but it is not an attack on wages so much as a way to reduce costs to keep the company/product competitive.  The fact is that wages are a part of the entire cost equation of running a business, and often are the largest part of running a business.  When a union is involved, often those costs are increased (through negotiations, both sides to blame) to a point when the value of the cost is less than the return from the workers.  At that point, the wages should be lowered because they do not merit those wages.  It is just effective cost cutting.  

I see your point, but wages are lower in RTW states as a whole.  It's a main driving force for reducing a unions influence.  IMO it goes beyond wages though.  Many negotiations have working conditions in play as much as wages.    

2012-12-13 10:56 PM
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I have worked for 2 companies that used unionized labor and this is the way I see it:

-Unions can protect the lazy by promoting based on seniority rather than your ability/work effort. I had a crappy Spanish teacher in high school because of the Union.

-Unions help generate better wage packages for those that are VERY good at what they do. Many of the people I work with are very hard workers and I know some of them do not get compensated accordingly (because of the union and seniority rules).

-Unions cost EVERYONE money (not just the workers).

In the 1800s, when the copper mining industry was developing in the Keweenaw Peninsula.  The most skilled workers would go to the company that offered the best compensation package (pay and benefits).  The unions helped make working hours more reasonable for the mining workers while maintaining benefits.  However, as stated before, this is when unions were needed.  There are labor laws in place to protect people from this ever happening again.

2012-12-13 11:54 PM
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GomesBolt - 2012-12-12 8:27 AM

What do unions require of members?  10% 20%?

Anyone know what the typical union dues are?

I work for a school district and am forced/required/coerced in paying $750/pr year.

2012-12-14 8:37 AM
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Just read this opinion piece, and it sums things up very well.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_22188080/right-work-dilemma



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2012-12-14 9:03 AM
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lakelandsledder - 2012-12-13 6:58 AM I'll weigh in.  My wife is union, I am not nor ever have been.  For those that say union workers are lazy, that's not being truthful.    Fact is there are lazy people in union and non union alike.  I have seen my fair share of people that got free passes routinely because they were friends with a supervisor, kissed the bosses butt , or simply knew how to scam the system and I've worked in everything from factories to sales.  

I realize there are simple air breathers in every field union and non union. and even I do not think my example is indicative of 100% of all power plant union workers. However, the difference between lazy union workers, and lazy non-union workers.... is that the union workers have a contract backing them up. Where as non-union workers just get fired.

And even at my work... we have certain employees that are PPM lawyers and will recite stuff anytime it is anadvantage to them... thing is, those types usually do not last long... in general. And usually that is over benefit type stuff like when they get double time or what not. But lawyering a contract over what you will and won't do and only what you are required to do... that kind of thing drives me nuts.

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