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2010-07-26 9:12 AM
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I ran (walked) Saturday and agree the event was very well run.  I will definately go again next year, if for nothing else to redeem myself.  I was in wave 16 and hit a big wall at mile 10 on the bike.  I went from averaging 21mph to 14mph over that last stretch.  My last 5K was under 23 min, Saturday was over 33.  Post race I had a gallon of water, a bottle of Gatorade, and 2 bagels and still weighed 2.5lbs less then pre-race.  I haven't napped in years, but I got a good 4 hours in Saturday afternoon.
Thanks to the volunteers and local law enforcement/fire/rescue for their efforts.
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2010-07-26 9:22 AM
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To see even the elite and top runners walking tells you how brutal this run was! I was humming for the 1st 1/2 but hit the wall hard at mile 5, I couldn't do it.  I never, EVER walked any portion of a run in a race before, but yesterday was a different animal.  I slowed to a walk 3-4 times.  I was shooting for a 8:00 pace, averaged 7:45 over the 1st 3 and finished up around 8:30.  It was insane, people walking, doubled over cramping everywhere, looked like a battlefield!

Kudos to CGI for placing 7 water stops on the run!  I hit every one!  And those Ice rags were amazing, immediate relief!

This is my 1st year participating in CGI events and I did 3, Unite, Black Bear and NJ State, what fantastic races!  So well organized, on time, well stocked with vols. just top notch!  Thank you Larry and Michelle!  You guys doo an amazing job!

Does anyone else think the bike course was mis-calculated or measured on the official score sheet?  CGI had the bike course at 25.5, my garmin had it at 24.9, but it looks like the course was around 23 for the score sheet?  I mean in the end it is all the same, but I hate seeing a 19.5mph oficial pace when I was more like 21.  Just a mental thing for me I guess?
2010-07-26 9:31 AM
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Sounds like it was a tough day overall ....

I couldnt make it down Friday for packet pick-up so no racing for me.

I was scheduled for Wave 15 so I would have been in the thick of the heat for sure.

Kudos to all that finished !!
2010-07-26 9:59 AM
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Pretty awesome race overall, my first Olympic.  I did the NJ State Sprint last year.  The heat during the run was just about unbearable and I've never had my legs give out like that before- both hamstrings cramped on the bike and then both quads wanted to cramp in the run.  Like most people I had to mix in a lot of walking, mostly in the shade and took advantage of every opportunity for water.  Given the conditions I would've like to see more water stations.  Besides that no complaints.

I weighed 214 before the race and 207 after the race & after the post-race meal.

Congrats to all who competed on Saturday and Sunday!

2010-07-26 10:01 AM
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Wanted to comment on a couple of things here.

@mchubri: Lin-mark still has the course listed as 39K, which is what it has been in the past. I am guessing they didn't recalibrate their numbers to match the change in distance. Also the distance includes running with your bike out of transition since that's when your bike time starts. It's too bad the timing mats are not closer to the mount/dismount line.

To everyone who was in a later wave: Kudos to all of you for persevering. It was brutal out there both days and you deserve to celebrate your accomplishments. Finishing was truly an achievement in such a sufferfest.

I know it's tough to race in the heat and humidity especially this year when it seems like every weekend has been a scorcher. One of the things that made both days tough was the starting time. Larry and Michelle put on great, well-organized races, (There are a lot of RDs that could learn from them) but one thing that would make this race even better is starting 30 mins to 1 hour earlier. NJ State has had tough conditions for three years in a row. I don't think many of us would mind going to bed a bit earlier on Saturday to wake up earlier on Sunday so we spent less time out in the heat of the day.

Congrats to everyone again.

2010-07-26 1:06 PM
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csaf31 - 2010-07-26 11:01 AM

Wanted to comment on a couple of things here.

@mchubri: Lin-mark still has the course listed as 39K, which is what it has been in the past. I am guessing they didn't recalibrate their numbers to match the change in distance. Also the distance includes running with your bike out of transition since that's when your bike time starts. It's too bad the timing mats are not closer to the mount/dismount line.


Is this true? I thought race distance = mount line to dismount line. Transition "running" was not included. Don't know for sure, but this was my impression based upon previous discussions.

NJ State has had tough conditions for three years in a row. I don't think many of us would mind going to bed a bit earlier on Saturday to wake up earlier on Sunday so we spent less time out in the heat of the day.

Congrats to everyone again.



I understand your point (and it's a good one to raise), however, I will say that I dont think that NJST conditions have been tough three years in a row. I am pretty sure the last two years were fairly decent. No rain. Low humidity and starting temps in the low-70s (we were even wetsuit legal last year). This year has been a heat fest from the beginning...hopefully that doesnt continue.

Also, I believe that the park has certain "hours" which it will allow events, so its almost definitely not up to Larry & Michele. I am sure the park says how early they can be there (and if you think about it, the cones on the road have to be all set-up, etc. That stuff takes time, and you can't expect the park workers/volunteers/etc. to be out there at 4am because its a little on the hot side. Race conditions are what they are, its up to us to deal with them and prepare. That's what makes is so much fun



2010-07-26 1:22 PM
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The chip mats were not close to mount/dismount, so the time to get from the mats to the mount and again from dismount to the mat had to be included in the bike time.

Last year wasn't too hot, 2008 was pretty hot. But I did the Sprint distance both years, so I was done before the real heat. I remember feeling for the Olympic racers out there.  That said, you can't really open transition much before 5:30 (which is when it opened for Olympic yesterday), considering it is pretty dark out until about 5:20.
2010-07-26 3:26 PM
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I guess hot is a relative term. I know people last year who did not start the Olympic until 9 am and they were fried by the finish. The year before was not that bad but still uncomfortable. I guess that's what you get for late July in new jersey.

I am not sure what the park hours are and maybe that has something to do with it. So you open transition at 530 and give people until 645 to get done for the Olympic. There are plenty of other races, including sprints that start by 7AM. Perhaps that's the only event of the two that would need the earlier starting time. I understand that many folks are doing this for the first time at this event. However, many people set up their transition area like they are settling in for three nights camping and are taking their time. If they knew there was a time limit, this would make it easier for all.

As far as volunteers being there early, I really don't think that's an issue. The boy scouts were out in full force both days and I don't think telling these kids they were going to have to get up an hour earlier is a big deal. That means they would also be finished an hour earlier.

Your bike time started as soon as you left transition and crossed the timing mat. Just like your swim time did not end until you crossed the timing mat going into transition. So your swim time is longer than you were actually in the water. That's just the way it's set up here. Some races have the mats closer to the mount and dismout line. However, this is not one of those races.

Lastly, wetsuits were legal last year but the water temp reading was 77.8. That's darn close to the legal limit. RDs do their best to help make swims wet suit legal any way they can as far as temps go. You can take the temps in 10 different places in a lake at different depths to find the right temp, with the exception of this year.

I know Larry and Michelle put on great races. I was just suggesting a way to make life a little cooler for all involved in the race.

2010-07-26 4:34 PM
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csaf31 - 2010-07-26 4:26 PM

I guess hot is a relative term. I know people last year who did not start the Olympic until 9 am and they were fried by the finish. The year before was not that bad but still uncomfortable. I guess that's what you get for late July in new jersey.

I am not sure what the park hours are and maybe that has something to do with it. So you open transition at 530 and give people until 645 to get done for the Olympic.



Keep in mind, if you compress the amount of time to get into/setup transition, you are going to compress how much time 1,500+/- athletes have to get into the park, which leads to traffic issues, backups at bodymarking etc. This is obviously a huge event.


The boy scouts were out in full force both days and I don't think telling these kids they were going to have to get up an hour earlier is a big deal. That means they would also be finished an hour earlier.


I was talking more about course control setup vs. all volunteers.

Your bike time started as soon as you left transition and crossed the timing mat. Just like your swim time did not end until you crossed the timing mat going into transition. So your swim time is longer than you were actually in the water. That's just the way it's set up here. Some races have the mats closer to the mount and dismout line.


Agreed on the bike time included that stretch. But I thought the initial question was "bike distance". I.e., does the listed bike distance of say 40k include the transition run or not. I assumed it did not. Maybe I misunderstood the question.
2010-07-26 6:24 PM
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This was my first time at the NJ State Olympic distance.  I thought it was a well organized race and hope to come back next year.  Conditions were definitely brutal- like most others I walked a ton and shuffled some when I could.  I am glad someone else noticed the headwind.  Maybe it wasn't there for those out on the bike course early on, but I definitely felt it somewhere in the second half of the loop each time.  It caused me to drop my speed by a couple miles per hr.  

Well done race CGI!
2010-07-26 10:11 PM
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Great job L&M. Did the race on Sunday and man it was hot. Was in the 10th wave so I saw the worst of it. Time was terrible but I was glad to be racing after a two year layoff.


2010-07-27 7:07 AM
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The tri I do in Florida in August we are in transition in the dark (morning). I recall many flashlights in transition during set up
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wwlani - 2010-07-27 8:07 AM The tri I do in Florida in August we are in transition in the dark (morning). I recall many flashlights in transition during set up


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2010-07-28 10:41 AM
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"Keep in mind, if you compress the amount of time to get into/setup transition, you are going to compress how much time 1,500+/- athletes have to get into the park, which leads to traffic issues, backups at bodymarking etc. This is obviously a huge event."

New York allows you to set up the day before, I can't see why NJ would not allow this as well. If you open Transition the day before from 5-8 for the Sprint, you could do the same for the Oly and still have them on both days.   You figure the Sprint would be done by 10:00 and cleaned up well before the Oly's arrived to set up.  You would pay more for security, but you could move the start time back an hour at least. 

 


2010-07-28 12:50 PM
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Fair point. My only counter to that would be that (a) not sure if the park would allow that. They can get pretty particular on things like when people are in the park, etc. and (b) it creates a hassle for people that live close enough to drive the morning of the race, but far enough that two trips are a PITA. I bet a lot of people live within 1-1.5hrs and did race day pickup. For them, it would be tough driving down, back, down, back in two days.
2010-07-28 1:13 PM
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Most people already get there the day before for pickup and even then you could allow for "same day pick up and transition" for a premium. Logistically though nothings harder than getting to NYC with your bike, so I don't say it would make things harder.  On the contrary, my bike was set up alls I needed was my gear bag.

I have to admit though CGI does take a lot of precautions and I haven't heard anyone suffered a critical case of heat stroke so it comes with the territory. Also if the race was held Monday, I doubt people would care as much as it was a beautiful day!  Still I LIKE starting earlier....





2010-07-28 1:15 PM
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I wrote to the RDs, Larry and Michelle, about starting earlier. Just thought everyone would like to know what Larry had to say:

The problem with starting earlier is how to get the roads coned earlier. The crews, for obvious safety reasons, don’t want to cone in the dark any more than they already have to and we can’t put them out the day before. We cone about 6.5 miles of road. They usually finish coning at around 6:45 or so. We then have to send another crew around to inspect everything and make sure it’s done properly (one year all 6.5 miles had to be re-done). I can’t start the race (or even the pre-race meeting until I get confirmation that the roads are set, signage is correct, police are in place and volunteers are set. I got this at 7:15 and I then go into the pre-race meeting and begin sending waves into the water. The only way I could start it earlier is to put less time between waves which could save between 15-30 minutes, but we also want to spread out the swim for safety reasons so it’s a give and take.

So I guess we just need to pressure the county workers to start earlier. I doubt that will happen.
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IMO I think the start time is fine!  I pulled in this year as transition was closing so I'd be against any earlier start time!  Just an idea, but if you want to get your race underway earlier, just register as Elite, then you are guaranteed to start 1st!
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csaf31 - 2010-07-28 2:15 PM

So I guess we just need to pressure the county workers to start earlier. I doubt that will happen.


Orrrr.....the entrants just need to HTFU or pass on the race If you dont want to deal with the heat, don't race in the middle of July.

Guys/Gals: Its a race. Races have conditions. And as a pretty fast friend of mine (and very experienced road racer) reminds me now and then "Races are rarely run under ideal conditions. That's just part of the challenge".

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2010-07-29 7:04 PM
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This was the first time I did the oly for NJ state, mainly because before the oly and sprint were combined and there was no way I wanted to race that late in the day, in the NJ heat. \

Ah well, sometimes you've got to just play the cards life deals you. I returned from Istanbul Friday night and jet lag didn't bother me too badly, just recovered from airplane food poisoning, only to lose my aero bottle and 75% of my water just a few miles into the bike.

Thank goodness for the good samaritan at the Village Road turn who recovered my bottle  . . . I sure needed that for the remaining 20 or so miles. Next year, think, "rubber bands".  Just hung in there on the bike, didn't push, worst split ever, worst split on my home turf, best time not getting  heat stroke or injured.

Luckily I carried my own water and drank at each water station for the run. Still couldn't make up the hydration deficit. Definitely was walking every 2-3 minutes. Glad to be done. Last race of the year. Next year is another chance. Ended the season injury free . . . just a bruised ego.

Well managed race, well staffed, great music.

2010-07-29 7:28 PM
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I remember the "brightroom" pictures being posted on their website within a few days last year.  No?



2010-07-29 8:29 PM
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Probably by tomorrow, early next week at the latest.
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I was surprised when I looked yesterday (Thursday) afternoon and the pictures weren't posted yet. I think the last 2 years they were posted by the Wednesday - definitely not after Thursday. Hopefully we'll see something today.
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Pics went up today, but I must say I'm kind of disappointed.  There aren't any of me at the finish, I even looked through the lost and found section
2010-07-31 7:32 AM
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Most likely they don't have all the pics up yet. I only had two on there...none from the swim, no finishing chute shots, etc. So either BR did a poor job (doubtful) or they arent all up yet. I have seen that in the past. So check back in a few days.
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