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2010-09-02 8:47 AM
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Tri Take Me Away - 2010-09-01 8:20 PM
femanual - 2010-09-01 7:58 PM I'm wondering about keeping the cadence high while on the bike.

How does this help you save your legs? Sorry if this is a ridiculous newbie question!


It is not a ridiculous question! Keeping cadence between 85 and 95 will help you develop that sweet spot where you are producing the most power with the most efficiency. Think of it like a car engine - too high RPM and too low RPM affect how the car runs. The same is true for force production when YOU are the engine. If you are mashing the gears at a low cadence, you are using more muscular force in the same amount of time as you would spinning faster but with less watts being generated. This lower demand on the force output of the muscle allows you to rely more on your aerobic energy systems.

Feel free to ask questions like this any time you want in the Traithlon Talk forum. I know it may seem a bit intimidating at first, but everyone there is helpful and LOVES to share opinions on anything triathlon related! You can visit the forum here. You can also search for any topic at the top of the page. Try typing in "high cadence" and see what you get! Just remember to adjust the date range in your search to expand at least a month.
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Oh snap! I guess I need to invest in some sort of cadence-measuring device...any suggestions?


2010-09-02 10:13 AM
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I have been using the HIM plan on BT for the last 20 weeks. My first HIM is Sept 19 in Branson! I have pretty much stuck to the plan and I feel like I am ready until I hear or start talking about the "rolling hills of Branson" on the bike. It's gonna be tough.

So I will have more positive feedback on the plans offered here in 17 days!
2010-09-02 12:51 PM
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For Cadence measuring on the bike I would recommend Garmin 310xt with HRM and cadence sensor.  The 310xt is much more flexible than the Garmin Edge 500 with the same cadence setup.  310xt can also provide feedback on current pace and heartrate during the run.

The Speed and Cadence Sensor attaches to the chainstay and a small magnet is attached to the crank arm. 

While I use the 310xt setup described above, I don't usually look at cadance while riding.  But it is very informational to look at the data after a training ride or race.  During training rides I'm easily overwhelmed with too much data. 

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2010-09-02 2:37 PM
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jford2309 - 2010-09-02 10:13 AM I have been using the HIM plan on BT for the last 20 weeks. My first HIM is Sept 19 in Branson! I have pretty much stuck to the plan and I feel like I am ready until I hear or start talking about the "rolling hills of Branson" on the bike. It's gonna be tough.

So I will have more positive feedback on the plans offered here in 17 days!


Excellent! I am so happy to hear that you have enjoyed the plan. Make sure to come back and share your success with us!
Best of luck!
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2010-09-02 2:39 PM
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Triathlynne - 2010-09-02 8:38 AM

Does anyone have nurtition tips for me?  This will be my biggest event by far. More so than the Xterra I did last month. I'm crap about eating stuff on the bike. I mean I'd rather stop half way at a Starbucks, but I can't do that obviously.



What kind of advice are you looking for? How to convince yourself to eat or how much to eat or what to eat?
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2010-09-02 3:58 PM
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 Hi Lynne,
 On the bike the easiest source of nutrition is in your water bottle.  This is even more convenient if you're comfortable sipping from an areo bottle straw.  At my local bike shop they have an areo bottle that has 2 compartments, one for water and the second for gatoraid or whatever.  Yesterday a catalog arrived in my po box with a new gu bottle, water and then if you twist the top you get gu.  Thats a bit over the top. but if you're interested I'll send you the link.  I live and breath and drink areo.
 
What you drink and how much is a personal question that should be practiced in training.  I've had terrible experiences with certain drinks.  But I would love it if I could talk someone into handing me a starbucks during my next half marathon? But I think there might be a rule against that.

For solid food, I like clif shot blocks.  plain bagels are good and they don't fall apart when you put them in your jersey pocket.  Gu packs are hard to open and what do you do with the trash.  I'm a gu junkie on the run.  Power bars do funky things when they get warm but are nice to get a bunch of calories before the start of a race.  Banana's and burrito's sound good but take too much energy to digest.

What sounds good to you? 
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2010-09-02 7:17 PM
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Nutrition has been my #1 concern for my first HIM but now that I am practicing my nutrition in training I am feeling less anxious.  I like fig newtons early on the bike, easy to toss in and easy/quick calories and then I switch to Chomps, similar to shot blocks.  I have found them easy to eat out of my bento box and I have learned I can also eat them while running and my tummy tolerates them pretty well.  I have an aero bottle I fill with ice and water then I freeze 2 water bottles of water and freeze one water bottle of Gatorade.  I use the frozen water bottles to replenish my aero bottle and the Frost Gatorade is my favorite but I find one bottle is plenty, more and it starts bugging me.
Of course I am always biking/running in the 90s so I have to drink a lot.
I have another planned brick Saturday 3 hour 20 minute ride followed by a 30 minute run and I am going to add some Endurolytes and see how I feel.
2010-09-02 7:42 PM
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I'm doing my first Olympic this November. If it goes well, I'm going to register for a 70.3. This looks like a solid, thorough plan!

Maybe Florida 70.3 is in my future...
2010-09-03 8:52 AM
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i just got a cadence gadget that 'talks' with my garmin. its pretty easy to attach, and then my garmmy shows my current cadence, and average cadence. loves it!

$30 or so!
2010-09-03 8:54 AM
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Which Oly are ya doing? I'm also planning on an Oly in November! The Boys Ranch in High Springs. I'm not sure what the water temp will be, and I've never swam with a wetsuit! Should be pretty exciting stuff.

I was hoping to do the Rohto 70.3 in May, but I've got classes that weekend. Yell
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MiamiMan International Distance on Nov 14.


2010-09-04 5:08 PM
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Did the Skinnyman Tri today. Best results yet. Went under 9'/mile on the run. Which is huge after my AT problem. The swim was brutal. 5 waves of 150. Very, crowded. Felt like water rugby. During the swim I was think I was totally, nuts for thinking about a HIM. I felt great after the race. So maybe this HIM next season isn't so crazy............
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Figured I'd let the rest day soak in before sharing my first-week thoughts...

Overall, not half bad.  Heat played a little more role than I anticipated, so scheduling training needs some work.  I'm used to being able to train in most weather conditions, but the 90's with equal humidity is a bit much.

This was simply not my week to swim!  My primary pool is doing its annual maintenance, so that avenue was out, and my back-up plan hasn't opened for the school term yet, so I missed out on some good opportunities.  Both are open this week, however, so between those and the bay, I'll be wet this week.

Trying to figure out where I fit in on the RPE chart at each level.  Sometimes it seems like I'm doing too much, other times too little.  Also, what's an easy pace?  Is it something based on actual speed, RPE, or some other metric?  There is much yet to learn. 

The week upcoming should be good.  With the similar schedule Weeks 1 into 2, I'll be able to iron out some of the kinks as the training picks up.  This is already a level of training I'm not completely comfortable with despite running multiple marathons.  That's part of the challenge, though, and much of the reason I enjoy the sport!  Will check in again next week...

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2010-09-05 9:25 AM
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So now that my tri season is over should I go in to a winter maintenance program until I start the HIM in February? I need to build my run.
2010-09-05 9:39 AM
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Hi everyone,
Im looking forward to Wildflower half ironman in May of next year. I have been training for my first half marathon in November, but decided to bag that after knee issues.
Look forward to hearing how the plan is working for everyone!!

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lextek - 2010-09-05 9:25 AM So now that my tri season is over should I go in to a winter maintenance program until I start the HIM in February? I need to build my run.


A winter maintenance plan with a run focus would be perfect. There are some great winter maintenance plans here on BT, including a run focus 8 week plan. You will need to be a Silver member to access them. Well worth it!
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lextek - 2010-09-04 5:08 PM Did the Skinnyman Tri today. Best results yet. Went under 9'/mile on the run. Which is huge after my AT problem. The swim was brutal. 5 waves of 150. Very, crowded. Felt like water rugby. During the swim I was think I was totally, nuts for thinking about a HIM. I felt great after the race. So maybe this HIM next season isn't so crazy............


COngrats on that awesome run! Woohoo!!! As far as the HIM, goes...that is usually hwo us triathletes think. During the race we can't imagine every doing it again, wonder what the heck we are doing, how we ever thought we could do a longer race, etc. As SOON as that race is over, though, the brain starts to play tricks on us and things don't seem so impossible anymore.
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pitman80 - 2010-09-04 9:00 PM Figured I'd let the rest day soak in before sharing my first-week thoughts...

Overall, not half bad.  Heat played a little more role than I anticipated, so scheduling training needs some work.  I'm used to being able to train in most weather conditions, but the 90's with equal humidity is a bit much.

This was simply not my week to swim!  My primary pool is doing its annual maintenance, so that avenue was out, and my back-up plan hasn't opened for the school term yet, so I missed out on some good opportunities.  Both are open this week, however, so between those and the bay, I'll be wet this week.

Trying to figure out where I fit in on the RPE chart at each level.  Sometimes it seems like I'm doing too much, other times too little.  Also, what's an easy pace?  Is it something based on actual speed, RPE, or some other metric?  There is much yet to learn. 

The week upcoming should be good.  With the similar schedule Weeks 1 into 2, I'll be able to iron out some of the kinks as the training picks up.  This is already a level of training I'm not completely comfortable with despite running multiple marathons.  That's part of the challenge, though, and much of the reason I enjoy the sport!  Will check in again next week...


mG


You will get the hang of RPE as you learn more about your body. Easy pace should be based off RPE. The pace you can keep forever, carry on a conversation, not feel winded, etc.
Everything else sounds perfect! You will need a few weeks to get the hang of training, and your body will need that time to adjust to the higher training demands as well. You are doing excellent so far!
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Tri Take Me Away - 2010-09-06 8:43 PM

lextek - 2010-09-05 9:25 AM So now that my tri season is over should I go in to a winter maintenance program until I start the HIM in February? I need to build my run.


A winter maintenance plan with a run focus would be perfect. There are some great winter maintenance plans here on BT, including a run focus 8 week plan. You will need to be a Silver member to access them. Well worth it!
Jessica


That's the one I was looking at. Planned on upgrading to silver again anyway. Thanks.
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I'm working on setting some goals for 2011 and planning my races. I just heard that there will be a new 1/2IM in the bay area of CA in June which could work for me. I'd also like to find one in late Fall. Does anyone have any recommendations for a '1st year' 1/2 IM on the west coast that isn't too hard, ie. not a ton of climbing, etc?
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I'm so pumped to see all these posts, all these athletes-in-training! Hopefully someday I can get back to it---meh!!!! Yesterday was 4 weeks since the heat stroke.


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Tri Take Me Away - 2010-09-06 7:45 PM
lextek - 2010-09-04 5:08 PM Did the Skinnyman Tri today. Best results yet. Went under 9'/mile on the run. Which is huge after my AT problem. The swim was brutal. 5 waves of 150. Very, crowded. Felt like water rugby. During the swim I was think I was totally, nuts for thinking about a HIM. I felt great after the race. So maybe this HIM next season isn't so crazy............


COngrats on that awesome run! Woohoo!!! As far as the HIM, goes...that is usually hwo us triathletes think. During the race we can't imagine every doing it again, wonder what the heck we are doing, how we ever thought we could do a longer race, etc. As SOON as that race is over, though, the brain starts to play tricks on us and things don't seem so impossible anymore.
Jessica


I agree.  I've said it many times - triathlon is a lot like labor.  First you're excited then you started wondering how you got yourself into this, you think about quitting, just when you think you have a handle on it the intensity changes and when you think you can't do it anymore it's over and you forget how hard it was almost immediately. 

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50andgettingfit - 2010-09-07 9:43 AM I'm working on setting some goals for 2011 and planning my races. I just heard that there will be a new 1/2IM in the bay area of CA in June which could work for me. I'd also like to find one in late Fall. Does anyone have any recommendations for a '1st year' 1/2 IM on the west coast that isn't too hard, ie. not a ton of climbing, etc?
Thanks,
Johanne


I would suggest you ask this question in the Iron Talk forum. There are lots of people there that are preparing for and have previously done lots of different HIM distance races. They love to share advice! You can find the forum here.
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Thanks Jessica, done!
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Hi all.....I just signed up for my first HIM - San Juan 70.3 and I am psyched!  I downloaded the plan into my logs and I start serious training by Halloween!    I have done 4 sprints and 1 Olympic this past season.  They were a lot of fun but I am used to going and going and going.  I have a background in high alitude mountaineering and miss "the zone" that long days of training can put one in.    My goal is a full ironman and then on to Ultras, but for now I happy with HIM training!
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