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 2014-01-19 2:39 PM in reply to: sundevil87 |
 21 |  Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPENOriginally posted by sundevil87 Dave, We're glad to have you with us. You've come to the right group. There are members of the group who I am sure will connect with you and can relate to your story. Goal setting and working toward them can be great avenues to getting back on track in life; fitness and triathlon goals especially so. Triathlon is so cool in that regard because of the differing distances you can set as goals - sprint one year, an Oly the next and so on until the big IM. Finishing your first tri is great. Each time I completed a new distance I felt great pride. You will too. With life style changes and a commitment to triathlon I shed about 40 pounds. I've ticked up a bit but I will be back to where I like to race at by the time my races come along. Looking forward to sharing in your progress and accomplishments over the season. Thom Thanks very much for the lovely welcome Thom. Looking forward to getting going now :-) I'll start logging my workouts here as well as TP so that people can critique what I am doing. By the way, I live in a place called Cannock in England  https://www.google.co.uk/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d29768!2d-2.01... I'm lucky because I live a couple of minutes walk away from some great woodland and moorland. Great for running and mountain biking, pretty steep hills for road biking but good for developing leg strength I'm sure :-) |
| 2014-01-19 3:28 PM in reply to: MamacitaT |
128   Chelmsford, England | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by MamacitaT Joe I have only done one tri, but one thing that threw me in a spin was swimming with my tri-wetsuit for the first time. If you are going to use one, make sure you practice with it as much as possible and learn how to put it on properly. They help with buoyancy but it really changed my body position and I struggled for a few days getting used to the suit and the new buoyancy. I also didn't pull it up far enough and it was very constricting through the chest which effected my breathing.
I just purchased a Garmin 310xt which is on sale at Amazon for $179. I don't know what your shipping would be to the UK . I am having fun learning how to use it for runs and pacing, but also put it in my swim cap yesterday.
Regarding pre- race routine Make sure you pee right before the race. I forgot to do that and had to make a pit stop during transition. I watched lots of YouTube videos on transition set up - it was very helpful to get a step by step setup and be able to see the organization of the area. I did a sprint so I only needed a water bottle and used a few fig newtons in lieu of gels. When is your first triathlon? thanks for that tara, my first Tri is on 11th may, its only like half a mile down the road. im just confused about what to wear, I think it will be my nike dri fit, under my wet suit then put my all in one bike suit on in transition. |
| 2014-01-19 3:56 PM in reply to: 0 |
| 128 , California | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by Jynxy Originally posted by MamacitaT thanks for that tara, my first Tri is on 11th may, its only like half a mile down the road. im just confused about what to wear, I think it will be my nike dri fit, under my wet suit then put my all in one bike suit on in transition. Joe I have only done one tri, but one thing that threw me in a spin was swimming with my tri-wetsuit for the first time. If you are going to use one, make sure you practice with it as much as possible and learn how to put it on properly. They help with buoyancy but it really changed my body position and I struggled for a few days getting used to the suit and the new buoyancy. I also didn't pull it up far enough and it was very constricting through the chest which effected my breathing.
I just purchased a Garmin 310xt which is on sale at Amazon for $179. I don't know what your shipping would be to the UK . I am having fun learning how to use it for runs and pacing, but also put it in my swim cap yesterday.
Regarding pre- race routine Make sure you pee right before the race. I forgot to do that and had to make a pit stop during transition. I watched lots of YouTube videos on transition set up - it was very helpful to get a step by step setup and be able to see the organization of the area. I did a sprint so I only needed a water bottle and used a few fig newtons in lieu of gels. When is your first triathlon?
I wore tri shorts and a dri-fit tank under my wetsuit. They both dried quickly on the bike and were more than comfortable. Edited by MamacitaT 2014-01-19 3:57 PM |
| 2014-01-19 5:44 PM in reply to: sundevil87 |
| 21 | Subject: periodization and volume increase Hiya. I was going to post this on the general forum but I thought I would post here to start with :-) I am just starting out in Triathlon. I have started from nothing about 4 months ago and I am increasing my volume in all 3 disciplines. I was wondering if anyone could give advice as to how I increase my volume while incorporating periodization. Do I need to worry about periodization this early in my career (4 months off the couch). If I should I've seen another post here saying that 10% per week is good. If I did this though should I go 10% per week for 3 weeks, back off on the 4th and then continue 10% more from the 3rd week on the 5th week ? Any suggestions gratefully received :-) Cheers Dave |
| 2014-01-19 9:43 PM in reply to: #4917318 |
| 20 | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Hi Thanks to all for the warm welcome I have some questions regarding the 10% increase per week rule since I am new to the sport. I am trying to build on a C25K app,to build up in 8 weeks to the 5k distance. I am assuming the 10% rule does not really apply very early on, as you are really starting from scratch, but once you hit a significant amount, then it would apply. In example, if I only ran 2 mins at a time a few weeks ago (which is true), it would have taken me more than ten weeks just to run around 5 mins, but once you hit, lets say 20 mins, then it would make sense as you are starting from a more solid base. Please let me know your thoughts. I am aware to take it slow in building endurance, but very early on just doesnt make too much sense. |
| 2014-01-20 9:48 AM in reply to: 0 |
| 10 | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Hi! I'm hoping to join your group. NAME: Liz STORY: I'm a 31yo from Cincinnati, Ohio. Started running in 2008, 2 full marathons, 13 half marys, a few other distances (I'm a 10-11 minute per mile slowpoke). Bought a road bike 2 years ago I think but only been on it <30 times. Haven't swam in probably 20 years. Knee and shin problems have plagued me to not go for another full, one stress fracture (shin), so MAYBE do a 70.3 one day, but first see how this goes FAMILY STATUS: Relationship for about 5 years, no kids, 3 large dogs (and I'd happily take more but I've been repeatedly told no) CURRENT TRAINING: Flying Pig half mary first weekend of May (this will be my 7th!). Then take it easy on running for a couple weeks before getting back into it for the tri in June. I'll be doing a 4 week boot camp starting in February so I hoped to start really tri training after that (i.e. biking regularly and figuring out how to swim again), but I have a trainer so I can get on the bike before starting formal training. I picked 2 20-week programs from this website that I'd like to combine, so that may need to start during the boot camp weeks. 2013 RACES: Flying Pig half marathon, Cincinnati Half Marathon, Mason half marathon (also in Cincinnati, 4 minute PR at this race!!!!) 2014 RACES: Flying Pig half marathon, Cincinnati Triathlon, probably the other two half marathons again WEIGHT LOSS: Could definitely stand to lose 15 pounds. I'm 5'3 so the extra weight from the past few years hurts. I'm also a pretty "picky" eater as in vegetarian but no eggs and no milk, but that's normal to me at this point Edited by eengelha 2014-01-20 9:52 AM |
| 2014-01-20 7:09 PM in reply to: sundevil87 |
| 26 Columbia, Missouri | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN NAME: Derek STORY: I am a 23 year old medical student living in Columbia, Missouri and I am doing my first Tri in May of this year. I bought a cyclocross bike last year (because I disliked running and we have a beautiful trail system around the town) then I started swimming in the Spring after a minor back injury. I realized I was already doing two of the sports, and I wanted something to challenge myself and stay in shape while studying, so I decided tri's were the solution. FAMILY STATUS: Married without kids. CURRENT TRAINING: This past fall I was swimming 2 times per week, but I have no swim experience except figuring it out as I went this spring. I was also biking (either stationary, trail or road) one time per week. I have transitioned (slowly) to working out 5x a week and hope to get to a consistent training schedule. I love biking and really enjoy riding 20-40mi at a moderate pace. Hills are my arch nemesis, but every ride it gets a little easier to dominate them. I started adding running to my training in October of last year. 2013 RACES: I jogged in one 5k. 2014 RACES: The only race on the docket is a sprint (400m swim, 14 mi bike, 3 mi run) on May 4th, but I am hoping I add more as the year goes on. WEIGHTLOSS: My goal is to lose the weight I added on during my college years, and to keep it off. I started college at 185lbs, and currently am at 210lbs. I started looking at this site today, and I stumbled upon the mentor program, and I'm hoping this will help me accomplish my goals. Any and all advice for a newbie is welcome! |
| 2014-01-20 8:11 PM in reply to: Lmoncada |
| Member 136 Simsbury, CT | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by Lmoncada Hi Thanks to all for the warm welcome I have some questions regarding the 10% increase per week rule since I am new to the sport. I am trying to build on a C25K app,to build up in 8 weeks to the 5k distance. I am assuming the 10% rule does not really apply very early on, as you are really starting from scratch, but once you hit a significant amount, then it would apply. In example, if I only ran 2 mins at a time a few weeks ago (which is true), it would have taken me more than ten weeks just to run around 5 mins, but once you hit, lets say 20 mins, then it would make sense as you are starting from a more solid base. Please let me know your thoughts. I am aware to take it slow in building endurance, but very early on just doesnt make too much sense.
Lmoncada, I assume you are on a walk/run program. Depending on your current fitness level, going from 2 to 4 minutes may not be all that difficult. The key challenges, from my perspective, are that you if you set too high of a goal, you may either end up hurting yourself or being disappointed to the point of giving up. I would follow one of the many beginner 5k program available and adjust it as you need.
Armando
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| 2014-01-20 8:16 PM in reply to: eengelha |
| Member 136 Simsbury, CT | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by eengelha Hi! I'm hoping to join your group. NAME: Liz
Welcome Liz. I would not worry too much about tri specific gear/clothing at this time. Use what you have. As you learn more, you will figure out where to invest your money. When I started swimming for a tri, I wore my bermudas to the pool. Not the best but on the positive side, they added extra drag for a more difficult workout Armando |
| 2014-01-20 8:19 PM in reply to: benhamderek |
| Member 136 Simsbury, CT | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by benhamderek NAME: Derek Hello and welcome Derek. I think you will find plenty of information here. Once the group closes and we all start focusing on our goals, the information will become invaluable as you make your own progress learning about the sport. I would go back to the beginning of this thread and read the posts that are already here. Thom has taken the time to provide some very good information to others already. My guess is that you can learn from it too.
Armando |
| 2014-01-20 8:22 PM in reply to: davert123 |
| Member 136 Simsbury, CT | Subject: RE: periodization and volume increase Originally posted by davert123 Hiya. I was going to post this on the general forum but I thought I would post here to start with :-) I am just starting out in Triathlon. I have started from nothing about 4 months ago and I am increasing my volume in all 3 disciplines. I was wondering if anyone could give advice as to how I increase my volume while incorporating periodization. Do I need to worry about periodization this early in my career (4 months off the couch). If I should I've seen another post here saying that 10% per week is good. If I did this though should I go 10% per week for 3 weeks, back off on the 4th and then continue 10% more from the 3rd week on the 5th week ? Any suggestions gratefully received :-) Cheers Dave
Dave, I think it is a good idea to do teach your body to work hard for 3 weeks and recover for 1. All the training programs I have followed had me following this approach.
Armando |
| 2014-01-20 8:26 PM in reply to: Jynxy |
| Member 136 Simsbury, CT | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN thanks for that tara, my first Tri is on 11th may, its only like half a mile down the road. im just confused about what to wear, I think it will be my nike dri fit, under my wet suit then put my all in one bike suit on in transition. How long is your Tri? If you can find a tri kit, that is probably all you need to wear for the duration of the race. Even for a full IM, you make do with a single tri kit. Changing clothing, especially in smaller distance races can cost you several minutes = places in the standings.
a |
| 2014-01-20 8:29 PM in reply to: Lmoncada |
| Member 136 Simsbury, CT | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by Lmoncada NAME: Luis STORY: I am 37 yo from Mexico, Luis - Bienvenido. I grew up in Mexico as well. You will find a lot great info here.
Armando |
| 2014-01-20 9:59 PM in reply to: davert123 |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by davert123 By the way, I live in a place called Cannock in England Dave, I served in a British framework NATO headquarters in Rheindahlen, Germany for three years. In those three years I became bi-lingual - I speak both Brit and American. I have a lot of British friends and stay in touch with some of them. One in particular has motivated me to become a fan of his favorite soccer club Man City. As European soccer is aired regularly now - including the Premiership, Bundeslegia, etc. in the States it made sense to pick a team to follow so I figured I follow his. My 19 year old daughter is a Barcelona fan - ever since our Western Med cruise we took that originated in Barcelona the day they won the European championship in 2009. Thom |
| 2014-01-20 10:08 PM in reply to: Jynxy |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by Jynxy im just confused about what to wear, I think it will be my nike dri fit, under my wet suit then put my all in one bike suit on in transition. Joe, Most triathletes I know will wear their trisuit under their wetsuit and wear it throughout the race. Trisuits are specially designed with a thinner bike chamois so it will dry quick out of the water and so it will be comfortable on the run while also providing protection on the bike. You'll figure out what works for you. Thom |
| 2014-01-20 10:21 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: periodization and volume increase Originally posted by davert123 I was wondering if anyone could give advice as to how I increase my volume while incorporating periodization. Do I need to worry about periodization this early in my career (4 months off the couch). If I should I've seen another post here saying that 10% per week is good. If I did this though should I go 10% per week for 3 weeks, back off on the 4th and then continue 10% more from the 3rd week on the 5th week ? Any suggestions gratefully received :-) Cheers Dave Dave, Just about any plan that you pick up - whether it is one of the set plans or fully customizable Gold Plans on BT, or from TrainingPeaks (TP), or from a book or a coach, they will include periodization. Generally you will have a 3 to 4 week cycle of increasing work in both intensity and volume and then a rest week. This cycle will be followed by another etc. For triathlon (which is what I understand best) you'll have several base periods (focused on endurance), followed by a couple of build periods (focused on power, speed, strength), a taper and then a race, all followed with recovery. The cycle then starts again. That is the basic. Within each cylce their can be micro-periodization. For beginning triathletes you are better off spending most of your time building your base. I've read several articles that talk about the cost benefit ratio for new triathletes spending most, if not all, of their time in base verses spending too much time building strength, power and speed. To answer your question directly, I would recommend you have a cycle of 4 weeks, 3 weeks of increasing activity, no more than 10% week over week with the 4th week of recovery (reduced work load) and then repeat. Do this until you are at your target volume, intensity etc. Hopefully this starts to help make sense of all of this. Thom Edited by sundevil87 2014-01-20 11:19 PM |
| 2014-01-20 10:21 PM in reply to: Armandova |
| 26 Columbia, Missouri | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Thanks for the welcome Armando. I did have one quick question: I found out there is a local multisport club in my area that organizes trainings and some races. Has anyone participated in a similar group? If so did you find it beneficial? Thanks, Derek |
| 2014-01-20 10:40 PM in reply to: Lmoncada |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by Lmoncada Hi Thanks to all for the warm welcome I have some questions regarding the 10% increase per week rule since I am new to the sport. I am trying to build on a C25K app,to build up in 8 weeks to the 5k distance. I am assuming the 10% rule does not really apply very early on, as you are really starting from scratch, but once you hit a significant amount, then it would apply. In example, if I only ran 2 mins at a time a few weeks ago (which is true), it would have taken me more than ten weeks just to run around 5 mins, but once you hit, lets say 20 mins, then it would make sense as you are starting from a more solid base. Please let me know your thoughts. I am aware to take it slow in building endurance, but very early on just doesnt make too much sense. Hi Luis, My instinct is to say yes with caveats. As I mentioned in my opening post I am not a coach so I am coming from a layman point of view. I might suggest asking your question on one of the "ask the coach" areas. I would apply the 10% to the total volume. If your total work out was 30 minutes of run walk, I wouldn't increase the total time week over week more than 10%-ish. So if the first week was 30 minutes, don't do more the 35 the next week, and so on unitl you are up to 50 minutes, then you're at the 10%. I would increase the length of your run periods and decrease your walk periods until you are running up to a 1/4 mile and walking 1/8th of a mile. When you're up to a point of 10 min run / 1 min walk then you are at a very common run/walk ration regimen. That is the best advice I have. Others may have more to add. I would also research the articles on BT to round out what I'm saying. Thom |
| 2014-01-20 10:52 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Here is the current table of the group that you can add to your profile.
Edited by sundevil87 2014-01-20 10:55 PM |
| 2014-01-20 11:04 PM in reply to: eengelha |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by eengelha Hi! I'm hoping to join your group. NAME: Liz STORY: I'm a 31yo from Cincinnati, Ohio. Thanks! Hi Liz, Welcome to the group. As I read your intro what stands out to me is that you should pick this up pretty quick since you have experience in endurance sports. The other thing is your injury history. You may have picked up from my posts that I am an advocate for trigger point therapy, myofascial release massage, Active Release Technique (ART) and other soft tissue therapy approaches to solve a lot of afflictions that endurance athletes suffer. So as you get back into it keep that in your tool kit in case problems start to come up. You are not alone in your trepidation about the swim. If you can find a swim group or tri-club to work with that usually helps. We're here to answer your questions and encourage you to reach your goals. Thom |
| 2014-01-20 11:13 PM in reply to: benhamderek |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by benhamderek NAME: Derek STORY: I am a 23 year old medical student living in Columbia, Missouri and I am doing my first Tri in May of this year. I bought a cyclocross bike last year (because I disliked running and we have a beautiful trail system around the town) then I started swimming in the Spring after a minor back injury. I realized I was already doing two of the sports, and I wanted something to challenge myself and stay in shape while studying, so I decided tri's were the solution. I started looking at this site today, and I stumbled upon the mentor program, and I'm hoping this will help me accomplish my goals. Any and all advice for a newbie is welcome! Derek, Welcome to the group. I'm not really a betting person - but if I were I would bet that after your first tri you'll be hooked and want to another. Before long, you may even set your sites on the biggie - an iron distance race, perhaps an Ironman race. Many in the triathlon advice business recommend a gradual, multi-year approach; sprint-oly the first year, oly-HIM the second; and HIM-IM in your third year. Now, it is not unheard of some folks going right after the IM their first year. in fact, our very own Armando did that last year. So, pick a goal, let us know and we'll help to get you there. As you start to take your trip on the triathlon crazy train come here often to get advice and encouragement. Thom |
| 2014-01-20 11:23 PM in reply to: benhamderek |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by benhamderek Thanks for the welcome Armando. I did have one quick question: I found out there is a local multisport club in my area that organizes trainings and some races. Has anyone participated in a similar group? If so did you find it beneficial? Thanks, Derek Derek, A tri club, run club, masters swim group etc can be great. I've been part of one and enjoyed it. However, I tend to train alone so I don't attend any longer though I'm considering reconnecting with our local group. One of our members from last year was part of a tri-club in Denver. He seemed to like it quite a bit. He raced in their colors. I would encourage you to give them a try. Thom |
| 2014-01-20 11:46 PM in reply to: sundevil87 |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Hey all, Training for me should pick up as I start executing the plan my coach is setting for me. I will upload the sessions to BT and the subsequent completed workouts. I had a good PT session today as well. More dry needling and electrical stimulation. I think that is the key to finally kicking this injury. Also taped my left heel which relieved most of the pain. That alone helped me to smooth out my gait. The therapy team will also work with me to fix alignment issues which is also causing problems. So, I am feeling better and hope on my way to complete recovery. I could see the affect in my cadence count which was up. I try for a 90 (180) step per/minute cadence which is recommended by top coaches. That has been discovered to be the optimal count. I was a little off - at 87 average for the six or so miles. My coach backed me down to runs of only an hour in length verses the 1 1/2 hours I had edged up to. Felt it was too far too soon after the long layoff. I'm glad for the reduction. I am also experimenting with a Saucany 4mm drop shoe. I normally run in an Altra zero drop shoe. But I was somewhat concerned that they may have been the cause of my problem last summer. The thought being was that even though the first half of the season was fine, the cumulative effect of running on zero drops and an increase too quickly after a decrease in volume in mid-season might have been the underlying cause of my heel problem. Thom |
| 2014-01-20 11:54 PM in reply to: sundevil87 |
Veteran 260 Monument, Colorado | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Please add your races to this schedule so we all know when we're racing and can encourage each other. I've added mine. I will probably add a C race - Sprint tri in May. Group Race Schedule March: April: May: June: Thom - Boulder HIM; Ragnar Wasatch Back Ultra ( July: Thom - Boulder Peak Tri (tent) August: Thom - Boulder IM; September: Thom - Nations Triathlon (tent); Ragnar Napa Valley(tent) October: November: Thom - HITS Lake Havasu Iron Distance Race December. |
| 2014-01-21 1:30 AM in reply to: Armandova |
| 128 Chelmsford, England | Subject: RE: We Don't Just Tri - We Do (Season 2) - OPEN Originally posted by Armandova thanks for that tara, my first Tri is on 11th may, its only like half a mile down the road. im just confused about what to wear, I think it will be my nike dri fit, under my wet suit then put my all in one bike suit on in transition. How long is your Tri? If you can find a tri kit, that is probably all you need to wear for the duration of the race. Even for a full IM, you make do with a single tri kit. Changing clothing, especially in smaller distance races can cost you several minutes = places in the standings.
a this race will be a challenge distance, 800m/43km/10km then after that I have a sprint 750/28/5. I have a few more sprints later on and a Marathon in october |
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