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2016-11-02 3:07 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio Where did the number 650,000 email come from? Certainly not in Comey's statement. Maybe from the warrant? I heard and FBI guy say if/when they get a warrant it always gets leaked. Presumably because the FBI has to go to the DOJ and too many people are in the process and it's hard to keep that many mouths shut. So if Comey had not said anything and just let things proceed it would come out that FBI just got a warrant to search emails related to Clinton......

The 650k number came from one of the mainstream news articles who had "insider info".  I can't remember which one it was, but it was a major one like NYT, NBC, CNN, etc.

**edit** also, the 650k number is likely all the emails on the machine which includes spam and others.  Being a Weiner laptop there's likely 500k of porn spam emails.  hah

650,000 / 365 days a year / 10 years = 178 emails a day, 7 day a week for 10 years!! This is not one person's email IMO account. I heard on the news they were using special s/w to find duplicate emails from what they have and it's a relatively quick process. But then once you find the new one you have to have person read it and determine if it contains classified info.

My work email address has been running for 7 and a half years and I just checked the mail logs.  I averaged 762 emails per day for the past 7 days.  Of those on average I got about 150 legit emails per day which includes our internal automated stuff that's maybe 50 a day and the rest are caught with the spam filter.  In other words, it's easy to get a LOT of emails over time even if you only send/receive 10-20 typed out emails per day which is probably a normal day for me.

I do know from previous reports that Platte River Networks set up a hosted exchange server for the Clintons and ran Microsoft Exchange on it.  My company does exactly the same thing they do so I'm pretty familiar with the setup.
With Exchange combined with Outlook you have the ability to access multiple users mailboxes based on the permissions that are set up.  It's not a stretch to believe that Huma had permission to directly access Hillary's email so that she could print them out and reply/forwards on her behalf. 
With Outlook tied to Exchange it will download the entire mailbox of any user you have permission to view, so it's certainly possible that both Huma and Hillary's entire email archive is available on this PC.
Normally when you delete the emails on the server it replicates downstream to all the pc's, but in the case of Hillary's server they took the server offline when it was discovered publicly before they used the bleachbit software to permanently delete the files.  Due to the deletion method it would have been required to individually delete all the emails from every pc that had previously synced to the server.

All that being said, the 650k number isn't surprising because it's likely 550k of spam and then the rest is probably spread across more than one mailbox.



2016-11-02 5:17 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio
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Originally posted by Rogillio Where did the number 650,000 email come from? Certainly not in Comey's statement. Maybe from the warrant? I heard and FBI guy say if/when they get a warrant it always gets leaked. Presumably because the FBI has to go to the DOJ and too many people are in the process and it's hard to keep that many mouths shut. So if Comey had not said anything and just let things proceed it would come out that FBI just got a warrant to search emails related to Clinton......

The 650k number came from one of the mainstream news articles who had "insider info".  I can't remember which one it was, but it was a major one like NYT, NBC, CNN, etc.

**edit** also, the 650k number is likely all the emails on the machine which includes spam and others.  Being a Weiner laptop there's likely 500k of porn spam emails.  hah

650,000 / 365 days a year / 10 years = 178 emails a day, 7 day a week for 10 years!! This is not one person's email IMO account. I heard on the news they were using special s/w to find duplicate emails from what they have and it's a relatively quick process. But then once you find the new one you have to have person read it and determine if it contains classified info.

My work email address has been running for 7 and a half years and I just checked the mail logs.  I averaged 762 emails per day for the past 7 days.  Of those on average I got about 150 legit emails per day which includes our internal automated stuff that's maybe 50 a day and the rest are caught with the spam filter.  In other words, it's easy to get a LOT of emails over time even if you only send/receive 10-20 typed out emails per day which is probably a normal day for me.

I do know from previous reports that Platte River Networks set up a hosted exchange server for the Clintons and ran Microsoft Exchange on it.  My company does exactly the same thing they do so I'm pretty familiar with the setup.
With Exchange combined with Outlook you have the ability to access multiple users mailboxes based on the permissions that are set up.  It's not a stretch to believe that Huma had permission to directly access Hillary's email so that she could print them out and reply/forwards on her behalf. 
With Outlook tied to Exchange it will download the entire mailbox of any user you have permission to view, so it's certainly possible that both Huma and Hillary's entire email archive is available on this PC.
Normally when you delete the emails on the server it replicates downstream to all the pc's, but in the case of Hillary's server they took the server offline when it was discovered publicly before they used the bleachbit software to permanently delete the files.  Due to the deletion method it would have been required to individually delete all the emails from every pc that had previously synced to the server.

All that being said, the 650k number isn't surprising because it's likely 550k of spam and then the rest is probably spread across more than one mailbox.




Wow. I get 2 to 4 emails a day and zero spam. None. You need a better IT dept. :-).
2016-11-02 5:33 PM
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sarcastic comment about popularity.

2016-11-02 9:26 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio Where did the number 650,000 email come from? Certainly not in Comey's statement. Maybe from the warrant? I heard and FBI guy say if/when they get a warrant it always gets leaked. Presumably because the FBI has to go to the DOJ and too many people are in the process and it's hard to keep that many mouths shut. So if Comey had not said anything and just let things proceed it would come out that FBI just got a warrant to search emails related to Clinton......

The 650k number came from one of the mainstream news articles who had "insider info".  I can't remember which one it was, but it was a major one like NYT, NBC, CNN, etc.

**edit** also, the 650k number is likely all the emails on the machine which includes spam and others.  Being a Weiner laptop there's likely 500k of porn spam emails.  hah

650,000 / 365 days a year / 10 years = 178 emails a day, 7 day a week for 10 years!! This is not one person's email IMO account. I heard on the news they were using special s/w to find duplicate emails from what they have and it's a relatively quick process. But then once you find the new one you have to have person read it and determine if it contains classified info.

My work email address has been running for 7 and a half years and I just checked the mail logs.  I averaged 762 emails per day for the past 7 days.  Of those on average I got about 150 legit emails per day which includes our internal automated stuff that's maybe 50 a day and the rest are caught with the spam filter.  In other words, it's easy to get a LOT of emails over time even if you only send/receive 10-20 typed out emails per day which is probably a normal day for me.

I do know from previous reports that Platte River Networks set up a hosted exchange server for the Clintons and ran Microsoft Exchange on it.  My company does exactly the same thing they do so I'm pretty familiar with the setup.
With Exchange combined with Outlook you have the ability to access multiple users mailboxes based on the permissions that are set up.  It's not a stretch to believe that Huma had permission to directly access Hillary's email so that she could print them out and reply/forwards on her behalf. 
With Outlook tied to Exchange it will download the entire mailbox of any user you have permission to view, so it's certainly possible that both Huma and Hillary's entire email archive is available on this PC.
Normally when you delete the emails on the server it replicates downstream to all the pc's, but in the case of Hillary's server they took the server offline when it was discovered publicly before they used the bleachbit software to permanently delete the files.  Due to the deletion method it would have been required to individually delete all the emails from every pc that had previously synced to the server.

All that being said, the 650k number isn't surprising because it's likely 550k of spam and then the rest is probably spread across more than one mailbox.

Wow. I get 2 to 4 emails a day and zero spam. None. You need a better IT dept. :-).

lol, that's why I get paid the big bucks.  The more emails you have to ignore on a daily basis the more money you make. 

2016-11-02 9:28 PM
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I've seen this a few times on reddit but figured I'd wait until it hit more mainstream.  The gist of it is that this is a lot bigger than just the server and emails.

RCP has an article and Fox is reporting it so here goes:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

2016-11-02 9:58 PM
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its also super illegal for federal employees to be intentionally releasing information within 60 days of an election with the clear purpose of influencing the results.

"If the President actively campaigning on company time is not a violation of the hatch act, then how is Jim Comey supplementing the record a violation of the hatch act" - Trey Gowdy

#micdrop



2016-11-02 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood

I've seen this a few times on reddit but figured I'd wait until it hit more mainstream.  The gist of it is that this is a lot bigger than just the server and emails.

RCP has an article and Fox is reporting it so here goes:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

Like I said, does anyone really think Comey did this to simply influence the election?? That's ridiculously beyond comment.  I say HELL YEAH to the men and women of the FBI who pushed until this information had to be put forward, regardless of all attempts to keep it under wraps by the current administration through the DOJ.  And you're damn right this administration is to blame for politicizing the DOJ, starting with Holder. It's an absolute joke and has been for the duration of President Obama's tenure. 

Is there anyone out there who thinks we would all be better served with a President elect who was going to face indictment and impeachment because of it?  Goodbye and good riddance to the Clintons is my take.....they are everything that is wrong with American politics.

2016-11-02 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by tuwood

I've seen this a few times on reddit but figured I'd wait until it hit more mainstream.  The gist of it is that this is a lot bigger than just the server and emails.

RCP has an article and Fox is reporting it so here goes:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

Like I said, does anyone really think Comey did this to simply influence the election?? That's ridiculously beyond comment.  I say HELL YEAH to the men and women of the FBI who pushed until this information had to be put forward, regardless of all attempts to keep it under wraps by the current administration through the DOJ.  And you're damn right this administration is to blame for politicizing the DOJ, starting with Holder. It's an absolute joke and has been for the duration of President Obama's tenure. 

Is there anyone out there who thinks we would all be better served with a President elect who was going to face indictment and impeachment because of it?  Goodbye and good riddance to the Clintons is my take.....they are everything that is wrong with American politics.

I couldn't be more proud of the patriots at the FBI and their willingness to stand up to corruption.

I can't count how many times I've told you all that I have a HUGE problem with the DOJ working directly for the President because it's an inherent conflict of interest for any investigation that involves the current administration.  I'm glad to be proven right through Wikileaks and the hard work at the FBI. 

There were several reports that during the conference call where Comey announced the re-opening of the investigation that loud cheering could be heard throughout the FBI building.  #MAGA baby

2016-11-02 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by tuwood

I've seen this a few times on reddit but figured I'd wait until it hit more mainstream.  The gist of it is that this is a lot bigger than just the server and emails.

RCP has an article and Fox is reporting it so here goes:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

Like I said, does anyone really think Comey did this to simply influence the election?? That's ridiculously beyond comment.  I say HELL YEAH to the men and women of the FBI who pushed until this information had to be put forward, regardless of all attempts to keep it under wraps by the current administration through the DOJ.  And you're damn right this administration is to blame for politicizing the DOJ, starting with Holder. It's an absolute joke and has been for the duration of President Obama's tenure. 

Is there anyone out there who thinks we would all be better served with a President elect who was going to face indictment and impeachment because of it?  Goodbye and good riddance to the Clintons is my take.....they are everything that is wrong with American politics.

I couldn't be more proud of the patriots at the FBI and their willingness to stand up to corruption.

I can't count how many times I've told you all that I have a HUGE problem with the DOJ working directly for the President because it's an inherent conflict of interest for any investigation that involves the current administration.  I'm glad to be proven right through Wikileaks and the hard work at the FBI. 

There were several reports that during the conference call where Comey announced the re-opening of the investigation that loud cheering could be heard throughout the FBI building.  #MAGA baby

Once again, IF there was anything to this they should've been doing it last year or whenever.  A week before the election is partisan, not patriotic.

2016-11-02 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by spudone

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by tuwood

I've seen this a few times on reddit but figured I'd wait until it hit more mainstream.  The gist of it is that this is a lot bigger than just the server and emails.

RCP has an article and Fox is reporting it so here goes:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.

2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.

3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.

4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.

5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.

Like I said, does anyone really think Comey did this to simply influence the election?? That's ridiculously beyond comment.  I say HELL YEAH to the men and women of the FBI who pushed until this information had to be put forward, regardless of all attempts to keep it under wraps by the current administration through the DOJ.  And you're damn right this administration is to blame for politicizing the DOJ, starting with Holder. It's an absolute joke and has been for the duration of President Obama's tenure. 

Is there anyone out there who thinks we would all be better served with a President elect who was going to face indictment and impeachment because of it?  Goodbye and good riddance to the Clintons is my take.....they are everything that is wrong with American politics.

I couldn't be more proud of the patriots at the FBI and their willingness to stand up to corruption.

I can't count how many times I've told you all that I have a HUGE problem with the DOJ working directly for the President because it's an inherent conflict of interest for any investigation that involves the current administration.  I'm glad to be proven right through Wikileaks and the hard work at the FBI. 

There were several reports that during the conference call where Comey announced the re-opening of the investigation that loud cheering could be heard throughout the FBI building.  #MAGA baby

Once again, IF there was anything to this they should've been doing it last year or whenever.  A week before the election is partisan, not patriotic.

BULLCHIT !!!   This has been politics since the start of this investigation.  The men and women who have and are conducting the investigation have been at the mercy of the DOJ since day one.  Don't try to tell me how this works.  Hell, even at the local level an FBI agent can't sneeze without the blessing of a US attorney.  NO SIR.....this is ALL ABOUT the DOJ handcuffing this investigation.  But thanks to those field agents and their persistence, and Clinton's own complete carelessness in setting up her own server, the cat's out of the bag now. 

You absolutely CANNOT blame the FBI investigation for any of this.

2016-11-03 12:46 AM
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There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.



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There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.
2016-11-03 7:47 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio Where did the number 650,000 email come from? Certainly not in Comey's statement. Maybe from the warrant? I heard and FBI guy say if/when they get a warrant it always gets leaked. Presumably because the FBI has to go to the DOJ and too many people are in the process and it's hard to keep that many mouths shut. So if Comey had not said anything and just let things proceed it would come out that FBI just got a warrant to search emails related to Clinton......

The 650k number came from one of the mainstream news articles who had "insider info".  I can't remember which one it was, but it was a major one like NYT, NBC, CNN, etc.

**edit** also, the 650k number is likely all the emails on the machine which includes spam and others.  Being a Weiner laptop there's likely 500k of porn spam emails.  hah

650,000 / 365 days a year / 10 years = 178 emails a day, 7 day a week for 10 years!! This is not one person's email IMO account. I heard on the news they were using special s/w to find duplicate emails from what they have and it's a relatively quick process. But then once you find the new one you have to have person read it and determine if it contains classified info.

My work email address has been running for 7 and a half years and I just checked the mail logs.  I averaged 762 emails per day for the past 7 days.  Of those on average I got about 150 legit emails per day which includes our internal automated stuff that's maybe 50 a day and the rest are caught with the spam filter.  In other words, it's easy to get a LOT of emails over time even if you only send/receive 10-20 typed out emails per day which is probably a normal day for me.

I do know from previous reports that Platte River Networks set up a hosted exchange server for the Clintons and ran Microsoft Exchange on it.  My company does exactly the same thing they do so I'm pretty familiar with the setup.
With Exchange combined with Outlook you have the ability to access multiple users mailboxes based on the permissions that are set up.  It's not a stretch to believe that Huma had permission to directly access Hillary's email so that she could print them out and reply/forwards on her behalf. 
With Outlook tied to Exchange it will download the entire mailbox of any user you have permission to view, so it's certainly possible that both Huma and Hillary's entire email archive is available on this PC.
Normally when you delete the emails on the server it replicates downstream to all the pc's, but in the case of Hillary's server they took the server offline when it was discovered publicly before they used the bleachbit software to permanently delete the files.  Due to the deletion method it would have been required to individually delete all the emails from every pc that had previously synced to the server.

All that being said, the 650k number isn't surprising because it's likely 550k of spam and then the rest is probably spread across more than one mailbox.




Wow. I get 2 to 4 emails a day and zero spam. None. You need a better IT dept. :-).


Oops, that was suppose to 2 to 4 dozen emails a day.....work related. Another dozen or two from my wife, brother, sisters, friends.
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Listening to the news last night....Obama talking.

"We don't operate on innuendo...."

Anchor then asks the reporter, "Was he talking about the FBI?"



Is it just me?
2016-11-03 8:41 AM
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Originally posted by spudone

There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.

which again is highly irregular.  He shouldn't be having press conferences at all.  He should be reporting to his superiors at the justice department, not publically.

He is an agent of the federal government not a Fox News hack

2016-11-03 8:46 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by spudone

There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.

which again is highly irregular.  He shouldn't be having press conferences at all.  He should be reporting to his superiors at the justice department, not publically.

He is an agent of the federal government not a Fox News hack

It was highly irregular when he held the presser in July.  The administration needed him to lend some credibility to the decision to not pursue charges so I was alright then.

You reap what you sow.



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Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by spudone

There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.

which again is highly irregular.  He shouldn't be having press conferences at all.  He should be reporting to his superiors at the justice department, not publically.

He is an agent of the federal government not a Fox News hack

Dave - THE problem is with "his superiors at the Justice Dept."   That department has been so politicized that it has no credibility with law enforcement whatsoever.  At some point, you just do what's right.  I find it comical that people actually think that Comey made the decision not to go forward with charges on his own in July.  That's just laughable.  The rank and file investigators at the FBI have been beside themselves that no charges are being filed.  Dude, these are career law enforcement pros.......they know what a duck looks like.

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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by spudone

There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.

which again is highly irregular.  He shouldn't be having press conferences at all.  He should be reporting to his superiors at the justice department, not publically.

He is an agent of the federal government not a Fox News hack

It was highly irregular when he held the presser in July.  The administration needed him to lend some credibility to the decision to not pursue charges so I was alright then.

You reap what you sow.

Exactly right!

2016-11-03 9:29 AM
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If Clinton is elected what's to stop her from immediately pardoning people associated with the Clinton Foundation? Or as a minimum telling the DOJ to cease and desist all investigations of the CF.

Funny the acronym Clinton Foundation makes.....very appropriate.
2016-11-03 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio If Clinton is elected what's to stop her from immediately pardoning people associated with the Clinton Foundation? Or as a minimum telling the DOJ to cease and desist all investigations of the CF. Funny the acronym Clinton Foundation makes.....very appropriate.

The only restriction is that a president can't pardon him/herself from an impeachable offense.

2016-11-03 5:38 PM
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Originally posted by spudone

Originally posted by Rogillio If Clinton is elected what's to stop her from immediately pardoning people associated with the Clinton Foundation? Or as a minimum telling the DOJ to cease and desist all investigations of the CF. Funny the acronym Clinton Foundation makes.....very appropriate.

The only restriction is that a president can't pardon him/herself from an impeachable offense.

But his VP (once promoted to Pres) can.  It's rigged top to bottom



2016-11-03 5:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Hilary and the FBI Announcement

Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by spudone

There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.

which again is highly irregular.  He shouldn't be having press conferences at all.  He should be reporting to his superiors at the justice department, not publically.

He is an agent of the federal government not a Fox News hack

Dave, take a step back and think about what you're pushing for.  You are wanting the Clinton crimes to NOT come out so that she gets elected.  I know you're not a huge fan of Hillary, but you're putting ideology ahead of criminality.  Where's the limit?  As long as somebody supports your ideology how many crimes can they commit before you won't support them?

The FBI has been trying for years to put the Clintons in jail, but the corrupt Justice Department under Obama has been putting ideology above criminality.  The patriots at the FBI finally had enough and are likely risking their careers and potentially lives to give the American voters the truth about these evil people.
I can totally get people not wanting to vote for Trump for various reasons including personality, ideology, etc. but I can't understand anyone who will vote for Hillary even after they know the crimes her and her husband have committed.

I know the talking points response is that they haven't been convicted, but it's very obvious why they haven't been convicted yet.

It is probably easier for you to pretend these things aren't happening because the perpetrators share your ideology, but imagine if it were the opposite.  If it were Bush or Trump in office committing crime after crime and stacking the deck so they'd never get indicted.  Our justice system is what separates us from the third world dictatorships, if we lose control of that then we're all screwed.
This is far bigger than allowing gays to marry or stopping abortions.  This is attacking the core foundation of our country!!!

2016-11-03 6:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Hilary and the FBI Announcement

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by spudone

There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.

which again is highly irregular.  He shouldn't be having press conferences at all.  He should be reporting to his superiors at the justice department, not publically.

He is an agent of the federal government not a Fox News hack

Dave, take a step back and think about what you're pushing for.  You are wanting the Clinton crimes to NOT come out so that she gets elected.  I know you're not a huge fan of Hillary, but you're putting ideology ahead of criminality.  Where's the limit?  As long as somebody supports your ideology how many crimes can they commit before you won't support them?

The FBI has been trying for years to put the Clintons in jail, but the corrupt Justice Department under Obama has been putting ideology above criminality.  The patriots at the FBI finally had enough and are likely risking their careers and potentially lives to give the American voters the truth about these evil people.
I can totally get people not wanting to vote for Trump for various reasons including personality, ideology, etc. but I can't understand anyone who will vote for Hillary even after they know the crimes her and her husband have committed.

I know the talking points response is that they haven't been convicted, but it's very obvious why they haven't been convicted yet.

It is probably easier for you to pretend these things aren't happening because the perpetrators share your ideology, but imagine if it were the opposite.  If it were Bush or Trump in office committing crime after crime and stacking the deck so they'd never get indicted.  Our justice system is what separates us from the third world dictatorships, if we lose control of that then we're all screwed.
This is far bigger than allowing gays to marry or stopping abortions.  This is attacking the core foundation of our country!!!

I won't speak for him, but the problem I have is the proximity to the election, and probably violation of the Hatch Act.  Which will go unquestioned by a Republican House.

Imagine for a sec that Trump is a cabinet member and the FBI is bringing forward women who accused him of sexual harassment / assault, and reporting it to Congress, and leaking much of it to the press.  Nothing proven, no court, no grand jury even, and no indictment.

It shouldn't happen either direction from a federal agency.  They can and should investigate.  But they should keep a lid on it during an election.

2016-11-03 6:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Hilary and the FBI Announcement

Originally posted by spudone

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by spudone

There's nothing out of the bag.  That's the problem.  All innuendo and no facts revealed.

They'll come out soon enough. I suspect Comey will have a press conference prior to the election.

which again is highly irregular.  He shouldn't be having press conferences at all.  He should be reporting to his superiors at the justice department, not publically.

He is an agent of the federal government not a Fox News hack

Dave, take a step back and think about what you're pushing for.  You are wanting the Clinton crimes to NOT come out so that she gets elected.  I know you're not a huge fan of Hillary, but you're putting ideology ahead of criminality.  Where's the limit?  As long as somebody supports your ideology how many crimes can they commit before you won't support them?

The FBI has been trying for years to put the Clintons in jail, but the corrupt Justice Department under Obama has been putting ideology above criminality.  The patriots at the FBI finally had enough and are likely risking their careers and potentially lives to give the American voters the truth about these evil people.
I can totally get people not wanting to vote for Trump for various reasons including personality, ideology, etc. but I can't understand anyone who will vote for Hillary even after they know the crimes her and her husband have committed.

I know the talking points response is that they haven't been convicted, but it's very obvious why they haven't been convicted yet.

It is probably easier for you to pretend these things aren't happening because the perpetrators share your ideology, but imagine if it were the opposite.  If it were Bush or Trump in office committing crime after crime and stacking the deck so they'd never get indicted.  Our justice system is what separates us from the third world dictatorships, if we lose control of that then we're all screwed.
This is far bigger than allowing gays to marry or stopping abortions.  This is attacking the core foundation of our country!!!

I won't speak for him, but the problem I have is the proximity to the election, and probably violation of the Hatch Act.  Which will go unquestioned by a Republican House.

Imagine for a sec that Trump is a cabinet member and the FBI is bringing forward women who accused him of sexual harassment / assault, and reporting it to Congress, and leaking much of it to the press.  Nothing proven, no court, no grand jury even, and no indictment.

It shouldn't happen either direction from a federal agency.  They can and should investigate.  But they should keep a lid on it during an election.

You might be shocked by my response, but if there was evidence the FBI believed was reliable and an indictment was likely with Trump I would expect them to do that as well.  I'm a big Trump supporter, but the last thing I want is him getting elected and then immediately under criminal indictment.  I'd rather have him resign and Pence move to the top prior to the election.  (Assuming that's allowed)

2016-11-03 7:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Hilary and the FBI Announcement

Originally posted by tuwood

You might be shocked by my response, but if there was evidence the FBI believed was reliable and an indictment was likely with Trump I would expect them to do that as well.  I'm a big Trump supporter, but the last thing I want is him getting elected and then immediately under criminal indictment.  I'd rather have him resign and Pence move to the top prior to the election.  (Assuming that's allowed)

But what if it turned out he was innocent of everything, and *lost* a close election?

I'd rather have due process.  Even for Trump.  Federal officials throwing chum to the public opinion shark tank is probably illegal and definitely unprofessional.

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