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 2008-11-06 4:40 PM in reply to: #1793465 |
Champion  26509    Sydney |  Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVIIsparco - 2008-11-07 9:28 AM barqhead - 2008-11-06 2:48 PM LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 2:44 PM My 2 cents about "saving your legs" for other disciplines. I only buy this as an argument if you also coast the downhills on the bike. That's "saving your legs", right? To me, this is what training is for. You adapt. If you have a nice, strong kick and you are training for IM with it, you will be fine. It's not like you get to your IM and suddenly say "I'm going to kick like hell in this race even though I never do it in training". I think it would be far worse for your IM to drag some of the most muscle-laden parts of your body through the water causing your upper body to have to work harder than ever to keep your body in a nice, efficient, prone-position. I am a big kicker in the swim. To not do this would cause my HR to elevate way out of my comfort zone in the swim, something I really want to avoid. My kick keeps my stroke smooth and efficient. I guess you have to do what works best with your body. But the first thing I tell folks who work with me on their swim (I'm an instructor at the Y) is kick more. It decreases drag and adds to over-all swim efficiency (going faster with less effort) which is what triathlon is all about1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 1:34 PM barqhead - 2008-11-06 12:08 PM LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 12:16 PM You can never kick too much! (Unless you've got angry hip flexors, like Judi)1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 12:14 PM LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 11:02 AM QueenZipp - 2008-11-06 8:47 AM Morning Nibbs...swimming with a pull bouy makes me off kilter for balance I've never used a pull buoy. But now that I've overdeveloped my kick from the one-armed swimming, I wonder if I should try it. Being not of a swimming background whatsoever, is the pull buoy the "prop"/"device" that you insert between your legs (keep it clean here folks) to keep you from kicking and just used to focus on arms? Leave it to you to not miss a device that goes between your legs Yes, it's a figure 8 shaped foam thing you put between your thighs, from what I understand to minimize kicking and practice pulling. Some people like the flotation help too, which is why I never used one. I didn't want it to be a crutch while learning to swim. But I kick way too much now.
 I don't know about regarding longer races - you need to conserve that energy and the legs for the other disciplines. That's what I've always been told. But when I was swimming with one arm, I had to kick hard to get anywhere and my legs got really tired. Now I'm used to kicking more and while it makes me faster, probably not so good for IM training. Maybe i'll tie my feet together  Wow...totally opposite with me...of course I'm one of those weak swimmers who 'relearned' how to swim with Total Immersion. My HR goes through the roof if I kick too much, but settles in with less kicking and more emphasis on streamlining (fish swimming) and efficiency. Maybe that's why I'm not very fast... Actually no that makes sense to me and Im not a TI swimmer but I do have the TI book. As a result this time last year I spent a bit of time working on my body rotation and that combined with increasing my upper body strength has made a HUGE difference to me. Im a 'swimmer' swimmer and although I can kick hard and fast I tend to have a pretty gentle kick.. and quite slow compared to what you would do in say a 100m TT in the pool. I have a 2 beat kick I think... so its more about balance than propulsion but Im also a huge fan of increasing your kicking towards the end of the swim leg to get thing pumping to your legs so standing up and moving is easier...
One GREAT tip I know is this: 1) Go swim two laps with a pull buoy 2) Go swim two laps with a kick board Whatever was harder is where your weakness is (either your kick or your stroke) Very simple way of doing it but effective.... |
| 2008-11-06 4:41 PM in reply to: #1793448 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:23 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:22 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:18 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:17 PM Hi Nibbs! TGIF in this part of the world... Hi Cat! oooh its a mystery fairy!
How are you Beth? not to bad, pretty good in fact - just headed for home, so hopefully I'll *see* you later! hope you are doing well TGIF! Oh yeah... Im looking forward to a glass of wine with a friend after work - I *heart* rest days... This week Im toast... Ive just STEPPED IT UP and its worn me out! |
| 2008-11-06 4:41 PM in reply to: #1793480 |
Champion 23360   Taser-World | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:37 PM D001 - 2008-11-07 9:29 AM sparco - 2008-11-06 5:23 PM OK. I found it. Fortunately, Nibbs isn't as busy THIS November as it was LAST November. I never would have found it so quickly last year.1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 1:10 PM And then Phil killed NIBBS. I believe it was the 'mine's permanent' statement... Although youve ALWAYS been good at finding things people didnt want found... I never found your fishnets. Maybe that's because you WANTED them found? (Hi Cat!) |
| 2008-11-06 4:45 PM in reply to: #1793492 |
Champion 23360 Taser-World | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII Dinner time! BBL. |
| 2008-11-06 4:46 PM in reply to: #1793489 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:40 PM sparco - 2008-11-07 9:28 AM barqhead - 2008-11-06 2:48 PM LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 2:44 PM My 2 cents about "saving your legs" for other disciplines. I only buy this as an argument if you also coast the downhills on the bike. That's "saving your legs", right? To me, this is what training is for. You adapt. If you have a nice, strong kick and you are training for IM with it, you will be fine. It's not like you get to your IM and suddenly say "I'm going to kick like hell in this race even though I never do it in training". I think it would be far worse for your IM to drag some of the most muscle-laden parts of your body through the water causing your upper body to have to work harder than ever to keep your body in a nice, efficient, prone-position. I am a big kicker in the swim. To not do this would cause my HR to elevate way out of my comfort zone in the swim, something I really want to avoid. My kick keeps my stroke smooth and efficient. I guess you have to do what works best with your body. But the first thing I tell folks who work with me on their swim (I'm an instructor at the Y) is kick more. It decreases drag and adds to over-all swim efficiency (going faster with less effort) which is what triathlon is all about1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 1:34 PM barqhead - 2008-11-06 12:08 PM LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 12:16 PM You can never kick too much! (Unless you've got angry hip flexors, like Judi)1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 12:14 PM LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 11:02 AM QueenZipp - 2008-11-06 8:47 AM Morning Nibbs...swimming with a pull bouy makes me off kilter for balance I've never used a pull buoy. But now that I've overdeveloped my kick from the one-armed swimming, I wonder if I should try it. Being not of a swimming background whatsoever, is the pull buoy the "prop"/"device" that you insert between your legs (keep it clean here folks) to keep you from kicking and just used to focus on arms? Leave it to you to not miss a device that goes between your legs Yes, it's a figure 8 shaped foam thing you put between your thighs, from what I understand to minimize kicking and practice pulling. Some people like the flotation help too, which is why I never used one. I didn't want it to be a crutch while learning to swim. But I kick way too much now.
I don't know about regarding longer races - you need to conserve that energy and the legs for the other disciplines. That's what I've always been told. But when I was swimming with one arm, I had to kick hard to get anywhere and my legs got really tired. Now I'm used to kicking more and while it makes me faster, probably not so good for IM training. Maybe i'll tie my feet together Wow...totally opposite with me...of course I'm one of those weak swimmers who 'relearned' how to swim with Total Immersion. My HR goes through the roof if I kick too much, but settles in with less kicking and more emphasis on streamlining (fish swimming) and efficiency. Maybe that's why I'm not very fast... Actually no that makes sense to me and Im not a TI swimmer but I do have the TI book. As a result this time last year I spent a bit of time working on my body rotation and that combined with increasing my upper body strength has made a HUGE difference to me. Im a 'swimmer' swimmer and although I can kick hard and fast I tend to have a pretty gentle kick.. and quite slow compared to what you would do in say a 100m TT in the pool. I have a 2 beat kick I think... so its more about balance than propulsion but Im also a huge fan of increasing your kicking towards the end of the swim leg to get thing pumping to your legs so standing up and moving is easier...
One GREAT tip I know is this: 1) Go swim two laps with a pull buoy 2) Go swim two laps with a kick board Whatever was harder is where your weakness is (either your kick or your stroke) Very simple way of doing it but effective.... That's why I say you got to what's best for YOUR body. I am a hopeless 6 beat kicker. Without it, I go nowhere because I have no upper body strength. But, I have size 11 feet so when I flap those puppies in the water, I throw out a wake I'm not wasting built- in fins I am 30 seconds faster in a 500 TT with my kick vs. with a pull buoy |
| 2008-11-06 4:47 PM in reply to: #1793500 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII D001 - 2008-11-06 5:45 PM Dinner time! BBL. Hi Dee! Bye Dee! Have a great dinner! My chicken is still frozen solid  Time for Plan B. |
| 2008-11-06 4:47 PM in reply to: #1793491 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII kaqphin - 2008-11-06 4:41 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:23 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:22 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:18 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:17 PM Hi Nibbs! TGIF in this part of the world... Hi Cat! oooh its a mystery fairy!
How are you Beth? not to bad, pretty good in fact - just headed for home, so hopefully I'll *see* you later! hope you are doing well TGIF! Oh yeah... Im looking forward to a glass of wine with a friend after work - I *heart* rest days... This week Im toasted ... Fixed. |
| 2008-11-06 4:59 PM in reply to: #1793492 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII D001 - 2008-11-07 9:41 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:37 PM I never found your fishnets. Maybe that's because you WANTED them found? (Hi Cat!) D001 - 2008-11-07 9:29 AM sparco - 2008-11-06 5:23 PM OK. I found it. Fortunately, Nibbs isn't as busy THIS November as it was LAST November. I never would have found it so quickly last year.1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 1:10 PM And then Phil killed NIBBS. I believe it was the 'mine's permanent' statement... Although youve ALWAYS been good at finding things people didnt want found... (Hi Dee!) Well I need to buy some more actually... |
| 2008-11-06 5:00 PM in reply to: #1793509 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII 1stTimeTri - 2008-11-07 9:47 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 4:41 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:23 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:22 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:18 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:17 PM Hi Nibbs! TGIF in this part of the world... Hi Cat! oooh its a mystery fairy!
How are you Beth? not to bad, pretty good in fact - just headed for home, so hopefully I'll *see* you later! hope you are doing well TGIF! Oh yeah... Im looking forward to a glass of wine with a friend after work - I *heart* rest days... This week Im toasted ... Fixed. Toasted??? |
| 2008-11-06 5:02 PM in reply to: #1793531 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:00 PM 1stTimeTri - 2008-11-07 9:47 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 4:41 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:23 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:22 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:18 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:17 PM Hi Nibbs! TGIF in this part of the world... Hi Cat! oooh its a mystery fairy!
How are you Beth? not to bad, pretty good in fact - just headed for home, so hopefully I'll *see* you later! hope you are doing well TGIF! Oh yeah... Im looking forward to a glass of wine with a friend after work - I *heart* rest days... This week Im toasted ... Fixed. Toasted??? American slang for drunk. Reference joke. |
| 2008-11-06 5:03 PM in reply to: #1793539 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII 1stTimeTri - 2008-11-07 10:02 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:00 PM 1stTimeTri - 2008-11-07 9:47 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 4:41 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:23 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:22 PM lastcall2003 - 2008-11-07 9:18 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 5:17 PM Hi Nibbs! TGIF in this part of the world... Hi Cat! oooh its a mystery fairy!
How are you Beth? not to bad, pretty good in fact - just headed for home, so hopefully I'll *see* you later! hope you are doing well TGIF! Oh yeah... Im looking forward to a glass of wine with a friend after work - I *heart* rest days... This week Im toasted ... Fixed. Toasted??? American slang for drunk. Reference joke. Aaah well if Im that at 10am its going to be an interesting day |
| 2008-11-06 5:03 PM in reply to: #1793508 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII barqhead - 2008-11-07 9:47 AM D001 - 2008-11-06 5:45 PM Dinner time! BBL. Hi Dee! Bye Dee! Have a great dinner! My chicken is still frozen solid Time for Plan B. Hi Pam! I hear scrambled eggs on toast are good (and quick and easy) |
| 2008-11-06 5:11 PM in reply to: #1777564 |
Master 1817 Lafayette, IN | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII What's this swimming thing that everyone is speaking of? Is that the one where you're supposed to go to the pool? |
| 2008-11-06 5:12 PM in reply to: #1777564 |
Champion 7931 Sequim, Washington | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII |
| 2008-11-06 5:13 PM in reply to: #1793561 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII esc - 2008-11-07 10:11 AM What's this swimming thing that everyone is speaking of? Is that the one where you're supposed to go to the pool? Its the thing that turns my hair green (If Im not careful) |
| 2008-11-06 5:13 PM in reply to: #1793564 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII |
| 2008-11-06 5:14 PM in reply to: #1793437 |
Champion 7931 Sequim, Washington | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII kaqphin - 2008-11-06 2:21 PM mchally - 2008-11-07 8:57 AM I am being attacked by a monster headache. Oh no - can you take anything? I think that it attacked my computer also...I am now on a desktop. |
| 2008-11-06 5:14 PM in reply to: #1777564 |
Elite 4148 Utah | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII HI NIbbs... Just a quick drive by before I go set-up for the tourney...
Knock on wood, the tourney has stayed on schedule, unfortunately, that was due to some scheduling issues the computer didn't catch (and neither did we) like matches gettign scheduled before the deciding match was played Last night I really wanted a whiskey and coke... at least Sat night I will be able to make that happen |
| 2008-11-06 5:16 PM in reply to: #1777564 |
Champion 7931 Sequim, Washington | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII my headache is tolerable at the moment...I can take something, but haven't. I think it is both med and weather related. |
| 2008-11-06 5:17 PM in reply to: #1793574 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII mchally - 2008-11-07 10:14 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 2:21 PM mchally - 2008-11-07 8:57 AM I am being attacked by a monster headache. Oh no - can you take anything? I think that it attacked my computer also...I am now on a desktop. Wow that was clever of it! |
| 2008-11-06 5:18 PM in reply to: #1793581 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII mchally - 2008-11-07 10:16 AM my headache is tolerable at the moment...I can take something, but haven't. I think it is both med and weather related. Charming.... hope its just a one off... Ive een getting them a lot this week but I always do when Im loosing weight... Not good but I only lost 1 pound (FINALLY only what feels like 3000 more to go) so its not lke Im being stupid with the eating its just my body doesnt seem to like it... |
| 2008-11-06 5:18 PM in reply to: #1793577 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII geauxtri - 2008-11-07 10:14 AM HI NIbbs... Just a quick drive by before I go set-up for the tourney...
Knock on wood, the tourney has stayed on schedule, unfortunately, that was due to some scheduling issues the computer didn't catch (and neither did we) like matches gettign scheduled before the deciding match was played Last night I really wanted a whiskey and coke... at least Sat night I will be able to make that happen So we should all hangout on Nibbs on Saturday night to see what you are up to??? Hi Heather! |
| 2008-11-06 5:20 PM in reply to: #1777564 |
Champion 7931 Sequim, Washington | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII I had my talk with Mary-it was strange... and my head hurts too much when I try to figure out why it was so odd... anyway, today is my last day. And then there is my room to take care of...... |
| 2008-11-06 5:23 PM in reply to: #1793566 |
Master 1817 Lafayette, IN | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII kaqphin - 2008-11-06 6:13 PM esc - 2008-11-07 10:11 AM What's this swimming thing that everyone is speaking of? Is that the one where you're supposed to go to the pool? Its the thing that turns my hair green (If Im not careful) I haven't been in the pool in ages! I intended to get back in the water on Wednesday but managed to sleep through my alarm. Tomorrow, I'm instituting a double alarm system. |
| 2008-11-06 5:24 PM in reply to: #1793600 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Nibbs XXVII esc - 2008-11-07 10:23 AM kaqphin - 2008-11-06 6:13 PM esc - 2008-11-07 10:11 AM What's this swimming thing that everyone is speaking of? Is that the one where you're supposed to go to the pool? Its the thing that turns my hair green (If Im not careful) I haven't been in the pool in ages! I intended to get back in the water on Wednesday but managed to sleep through my alarm. Tomorrow, I'm instituting a double alarm system. Dont do what I did last night.... A short hard bike workout for 20 minutes, an hour strength work with the trainer for an hour ALL upper body... then swimg by the pool on the way home... I just didnt have it in the pool (not surprising really) |
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