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2012-02-23 9:13 PM
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wbayek - 2012-02-23 9:40 AM

Dirk – that watch looks great, and as a data freak I may actually start doing some pool swimming after I get mine.  It looks like the watch had your long interval at 750 yards, not 550.  Did you really go 750 at a 1:28 clip?  If so, salut!

Actually I did not swim that fast for 750.  I had forgotten to press the lap button after doing a 200 with fins, rested for an undetermined time and then swam 550.  The 200 right before the "750" is an indicator of a swim with fins because I always do 2 reps with fins to get my body started in the direction of a high O2 use immediately prior to my MS's.  So the 200 right before was at 1:20 per 100 yds. so a similar time would have been averaged into the 550+200 w/fins.



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jgerbodegrant - 2012-02-23 7:10 PM

Ugh....struggling to stop being busy.  I'm sorry I've been absent.  Up in VT for the long weekend and have just been swamped going into work for 6 AM and just a lot of random stuff going on in general.  I will get up to date on all the posts from this past week.

I'm sure you are all keeping up on your training and being rockstars.  Keep it up, I gotta hit the pool and get in bed.

I'm glad to see your still with us.  You are such a fixture on here I was beginning to get worried.  Heck I was even trying to stalk Kate's fb page to see if everything was alright. LOL

2012-02-24 6:54 AM
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Question about Jorge's plan - is the optional 4th workout the long ride? So if I'm only managing 3 rides a week drop the long ride?

I need to sit down and take a look at my schedule. There is really no reason I can not get 4 rides except that I'm just not organized enough right now.

2012-02-24 7:41 AM
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trigal38 - 2012-02-24 7:54 AM

Question about Jorge's plan - is the optional 4th workout the long ride? So if I'm only managing 3 rides a week drop the long ride?

I need to sit down and take a look at my schedule. There is really no reason I can not get 4 rides except that I'm just not organized enough right now.

Yeah, the fourth ride is the optional one and he really only suggests it if you want to bike focus.  In fact, Jorge suggests if you are on a run focus to only do workouts 1 and 3.

2012-02-24 7:46 AM
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trigal38 - 2012-02-24 7:54 AM

Question about Jorge's plan - is the optional 4th workout the long ride? So if I'm only managing 3 rides a week drop the long ride?

I need to sit down and take a look at my schedule. There is really no reason I can not get 4 rides except that I'm just not organized enough right now.

Yeah, the fourth ride is the optional one and he really only suggests it if you want to bike focus.  In fact, Jorge suggests if you are on a run focus to only do workouts 1 and 3.

Dang it!  I went to check to be sure I told Dina the right answer (and I would have by the way) and you STOLE my thunder!  Since I was not fast enough to get the answer to her, I will now punish myself with a 2x18' at 94%-100% HR on the bike, then I will run 5 miles or so right after to really abuse myself.  I feel so alone right now!

2012-02-24 7:50 AM
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Well, I'm on a "don't hurt myself again" focus so maybe 3 rides and trying to manage in the other two sports will be good enough for now. This is the problem when I follow a plan though - it REALLY bothers me to miss a workout.

My ride today probably won't hit the numbers. I've got a little head cold. I think the test made me sick. Laughing



2012-02-24 8:25 AM
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Early cyclops ride - struggled, and could not maintian 80+ - not just legs, but whole body tired...like I felt last night. just need sleep? allergy? overtaining? I normally swim on Thursday morning, and ride on Thursday evening - its my one "two a day" training day - it just seems to work in the schedule/routine best. But last night - no way - after work, felt super sluggish....sometimes its best to try to to power through feeling tired, but not last night. I thought if I got a decent night of sleep, all would be ok this morning, but it carried over to today.....Allergy can drag me down - and I noticed the hard maple out front is blooming! way early, at least 3 weeks. I don't have any other symptoms - I run tomorrow - but is is an "easy" week. Scheduled to ride 2 hrs on Sunday.....?????

Any thoughts? push through it?

2012-02-24 8:33 AM
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trigal38 - 2012-02-24 8:50 AM

Well, I'm on a "don't hurt myself again" focus so maybe 3 rides and trying to manage in the other two sports will be good enough for now. This is the problem when I follow a plan though - it REALLY bothers me to miss a workout.

My ride today probably won't hit the numbers. I've got a little head cold. I think the test made me sick. Laughing

I get the OCD of following your plan, I bet we all do!  But if you're working on all sports, 3 of those type  rides should be plenty.  I've seen a pretty good jump in power doing 2 and only sometimes 3, so I wouldn't push the fourth unless you really feel great.  I guess it also depends on where you are in your season.  I'm so far away from my A race I don't feel the need to push the bike endurance just yet.  If you're closer to your events, and your plan calls for the longer rides, I guess the equation changes.

Good job Dirk, make those intervals count.  You have to be quick around here!  While we're talking about Jorge's plan, I have to laugh when I get to the first workout of one of his "unload" weeks  - the main set this week was 2x20 (with 2' recovery) at 95-100% FTP power.  Unload??????  I was struggling for sure on the second interval.

2012-02-24 8:44 AM
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pgrun - 2012-02-24 9:25 AM

Early cyclops ride - struggled, and could not maintian 80+ - not just legs, but whole body tired...like I felt last night. just need sleep? allergy? overtaining? I normally swim on Thursday morning, and ride on Thursday evening - its my one "two a day" training day - it just seems to work in the schedule/routine best. But last night - no way - after work, felt super sluggish....sometimes its best to try to to power through feeling tired, but not last night. I thought if I got a decent night of sleep, all would be ok this morning, but it carried over to today.....Allergy can drag me down - and I noticed the hard maple out front is blooming! way early, at least 3 weeks. I don't have any other symptoms - I run tomorrow - but is is an "easy" week. Scheduled to ride 2 hrs on Sunday.....?????

Any thoughts? push through it?

If your sleep, hydration, and eating has been good, the allergies may certainly be a contributor to the lethargic feeling.  Stress at work or home can also play a large part in fatigue.

As far as the plan, I always say start the planned workout.  If you're really not feeling it after adequate warmup, you can stop.  But be honest and figure out when you're just in the normal fatigue place and it's right to push through, versus when your body is screaming for some real recovery.  Seems like you did the right thing last night.

You may just be at a point where you need a full off day - it's been a while.

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pgrun - 2012-02-24 9:25 AM

Early cyclops ride - struggled, and could not maintian 80+ - not just legs, but whole body tired...like I felt last night. just need sleep? allergy? overtaining? I normally swim on Thursday morning, and ride on Thursday evening - its my one "two a day" training day - it just seems to work in the schedule/routine best. But last night - no way - after work, felt super sluggish....sometimes its best to try to to power through feeling tired, but not last night. I thought if I got a decent night of sleep, all would be ok this morning, but it carried over to today.....Allergy can drag me down - and I noticed the hard maple out front is blooming! way early, at least 3 weeks. I don't have any other symptoms - I run tomorrow - but is is an "easy" week. Scheduled to ride 2 hrs on Sunday.....?????

Any thoughts? push through it?

I'm new, but I'll offer some thoughts here - When I've felt lethargic and tired, I usually start some sort of work out if I have it scheduled, although if I continue to feel bad I'll cut it short. More so if I find my form suffering because I'm tired. For the bike and run, sometimes I'll make the course a loop with fewer hills to help me recover. 

My philosophy is this - You have to push yourself during workouts, but if you don't recover adequately between them, you're going to end up hurt. I'd rather skip a workout or cut one short than injure something and fight it all season.

In other news, I was looking at Jorge's bike plan to kick start my season, but I need a freaking trainer to really get it right. Cycling is the one sport I'm not on a plan for and I suspect it's suffering. Nevertheless, the other two sports are still coming along well. I've been moving at easy distances this week, and I'm going to shorten my long run on Sunday since this is a recovery week, then back at it next week full force.

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2012-02-24 10:20 AM
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pgrun - 2012-02-24 8:25 AM

Early cyclops ride - struggled, and could not maintian 80+ - not just legs, but whole body tired...like I felt last night. just need sleep? allergy? overtaining? I normally swim on Thursday morning, and ride on Thursday evening - its my one "two a day" training day - it just seems to work in the schedule/routine best. But last night - no way - after work, felt super sluggish....sometimes its best to try to to power through feeling tired, but not last night. I thought if I got a decent night of sleep, all would be ok this morning, but it carried over to today.....Allergy can drag me down - and I noticed the hard maple out front is blooming! way early, at least 3 weeks. I don't have any other symptoms - I run tomorrow - but is is an "easy" week. Scheduled to ride 2 hrs on Sunday.....?????

Any thoughts? push through it?

Paul, it's a good question because the answer isn't obvious.  You will need to find the answer for yourself. 

I have had a rough week myself.  I can echo much of what you've said.  I may have allergies, but don't know for sure.  I've never really had them and am not in tune to them...so wouldn't recognize it if I did. 

All week I've felt like I'm a little out of breath.  It all kind of came to a head yesterday when I had to cut my workout in half because of an overwhelming sense of fatigue.  First I tried persisting through it, I strugged with a little nausea, then I tried backing off the pace, then I just bailed.

About 9:30 am I went to my boss's office and asked if I could go home.  At that point I felt so sleepy that I couldn't think straight.   I was honestly impaired mentally.  Got home and slept for over 3 hours and ate all the food I could get my hands on and went back to bed early.

This morning I felt more normal and had a reasonably good swim workout but stopped there rather than doing my run.

Not sure if it was overtraining, undersleeping, under eating, allergies, emotional???  But I feel good about the approach I took.  That was to first give up on the idea of intensity and just get some easy volume.  When that didn't work I dialed back the workout's volume.

I hope you feel better soon and find out the best way to respond to the situation.

 

 



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guitarfrk75 - 2012-02-24 10:43 AM

In other news, I was looking at Jorge's bike plan to kick start my season, but I need a freaking trainer to really get it right. Cycling is the one sport I'm not on a plan for and I suspect it's suffering. Nevertheless, the other two sports are still coming along well. I've been moving at easy distances this week, and I'm going to shorten my long run on Sunday since this is a recovery week, then back at it next week full force.

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I have a Cyclops wind trainer collecting dust in my basement.  It's actually a really nice trainer in terms of ride quality - it's just REALLY LOUD.  If you're interested, PM me and we can figure some way to get it to you.

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Jeff and Warren:

Thank you for your input. I suspect the early tree pollen is part, the training is part, stress from work/home is part.......and it all adds up.  I am with Jeff, last night, I felt "foggy tired', and is why I called off the ride - which I did this morning, but at a poor level. No intensity. I plan on running in my group run tomorrow - I'll just stay with the slower group - recover - and my plan is for an easy raun anyway. But, Sunday, I planned on a 2 hr bike - and I will wait until Sunday morning - see how I feel - and if still foggy - I will rest. I'm betting rest may be the best training for a day or two. I looked at my workout chart- and maybe the two a days have caught up with me.........."not as good as I once was"........

 

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So apparently I have a herniated disc.  I started physical therapy today, and got some muscle relaxers so it will stop the spasms and allow it to heal.  PT gave me some exercises to do as well.  I already feel a lot better just with the spasms stopped, and also the Prednisone for the inflammation.

So my question is, when I'm ready to start back in, how do I do it?  I was in week 6 of a 20 week plan, and I definitely don't want to overdo it and re-injure myself.  I will talk to my PT about that as well, but I thought I'd get some feedback here.

Is there one discipline (swim, bike, run, freeweights) that is most likely, or least likely, to cause me problems?  What is the best approach to coming back after an injury?

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pgrun - 2012-02-24 9:25 AM

Early cyclops ride - struggled, and could not maintian 80+ - not just legs, but whole body tired...like I felt last night. just need sleep? allergy? overtaining? I normally swim on Thursday morning, and ride on Thursday evening - its my one "two a day" training day - it just seems to work in the schedule/routine best. But last night - no way - after work, felt super sluggish....sometimes its best to try to to power through feeling tired, but not last night. I thought if I got a decent night of sleep, all would be ok this morning, but it carried over to today.....Allergy can drag me down - and I noticed the hard maple out front is blooming! way early, at least 3 weeks. I don't have any other symptoms - I run tomorrow - but is is an "easy" week. Scheduled to ride 2 hrs on Sunday.....?????

Any thoughts? push through it?

Quickly a couple of things.  Both Warren and Jeff are on in both of their assessments.

  1. I looked at your calendar and you  have only had one day off over the past 4 weeks.  This may or may not be an issue for you.  I can do that but I have a lengthy habit and base to do that.  The point is, only you can actually determine if a recovery week is in order or if a you need a day off.
  2. It is could be just as likely that any sort of other stress could have triggered this type of response from your body. 
  3. I think pushing through these type of things is really very personal based on age, fitness, training base, training load and on and on.  As we have already said, try to figure out how to respond.  Personally, I am always a "pusher" and I think most of the time we can push ourselves harder than we think but sometimes it can lead to injuries if we are not careful and that is the real struggle.....when to push and when to rest.
Maybe I have said it enough already but keep working out all of these things.  You'll figure out how to deal with all of it.  consider how you have felt when training for the last marathon you ran.  How did you body feel at certain places in your training?  Use that past experience as a learning tool.  Go back and check your logs, if you used them, and re-read them if you are a detailed logger like me.  Earlier today I was re-reading some logs from Oct-Nov and I gained some very real knowledge about my own training.
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cycletherapy - 2012-02-24 6:43 PM

So apparently I have a herniated disc.  I started physical therapy today, and got some muscle relaxers so it will stop the spasms and allow it to heal.  PT gave me some exercises to do as well.  I already feel a lot better just with the spasms stopped, and also the Prednisone for the inflammation.

So my question is, when I'm ready to start back in, how do I do it?  I was in week 6 of a 20 week plan, and I definitely don't want to overdo it and re-injure myself.  I will talk to my PT about that as well, but I thought I'd get some feedback here.

Is there one discipline (swim, bike, run, freeweights) that is most likely, or least likely, to cause me problems?  What is the best approach to coming back after an injury?

Glad to hear you have a diagnosis and plan to treat your back problems. And especially that you are feeling better!



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cycletherapy - 2012-02-24 7:43 PM

So apparently I have a herniated disc.  I started physical therapy today, and got some muscle relaxers so it will stop the spasms and allow it to heal.  PT gave me some exercises to do as well.  I already feel a lot better just with the spasms stopped, and also the Prednisone for the inflammation.

So my question is, when I'm ready to start back in, how do I do it?  I was in week 6 of a 20 week plan, and I definitely don't want to overdo it and re-injure myself.  I will talk to my PT about that as well, but I thought I'd get some feedback here.

Is there one discipline (swim, bike, run, freeweights) that is most likely, or least likely, to cause me problems?  What is the best approach to coming back after an injury?

I'm sorry to hear that you have to deal with that kind of injury.  I think that is what Jeff has and once you see some of his race times from the coming season I think you'll agree he does pretty well for himself with that injury.  That said,  I hope you can come back and be the athlete that you want to be.  But it's likely to take a whole lot of patience getting there.

The PT is going to have the "controlling interest" here so to speak and he should be the authority.  But when the PT gives the all clear the way back is going to be slow.  I would ask about walking on the treadmill at first and also ask him about walking on high percentage inclines on the treadmill.  Jeff was doing some of this last year and it may be a benefit to you too.  The lack of impact walking may be the type of thing you can do.  However, the incline may be enough to cause stress on your back that would throw you right back into problems.

Depending on the exercise very light weight training might be okay but machine would probably be a better choice so you don't have to actually load the weight.  The SBR all have aspects that require strength from your back and core so they will probably all have to come back slowly.  I think that a stationary or recumbent bike will allow you to keep the current fitness level you already have, provided you don't have to lean or support yourself with your back, in a position like a road or tri bike.

One thing I would say with reasonable certaininty, you need to do some core work.  Your whole enter mass supports your body.....strong abs and obliques support your back.  Your lats and many other back muscles, if properly strengthened can help keep your back healthy.  If I were guessing, I think core and back is the place you will probably start with your PT.

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Ran 13 this morning - training run, so not too tough. Final swim lesson today, and felt a bit tired last 100's, but it was not the "bad" tired I felt Thursday/Friday. My muscles simply had enough. Feel OK now. Will see what tomorrow brings. Was careful to eat a bit more protein today - and think that may be what's helping.

Final TI lesson today at CHS. Worked out, I was the only person who showed up! Great deal. Put past lessons together to final stroke. Actually swam the final 200 breathing bi-laterally - which I never could before. The biggest part of the lesson - RELAX - relax the arms a bit-the head-body---I had been muscling through the water. Best to use the water and not fight it. Not easy to explain - but I know I can feel the water now - and I could not before the lessons.

Bottom line - the same coach is on deck for masters workouts at the CHS pool each morning. Planned workouts, and help.......better than what I'm doing now - cannot coach myself swimming. I'm going to try to work things out so I can start swimming with that group - may take a month - but will be worth it.

I do recommend TI.

Logs - I have logged for years...But, I am logging more info now than in the past. I plan to continue adding info. I agree, in long run, info on how I felt--will help me training in the future.



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2012-02-25 4:28 PM
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cycletherapy - 2012-02-24 4:43 PM

So apparently I have a herniated disc.  I started physical therapy today, and got some muscle relaxers so it will stop the spasms and allow it to heal.  PT gave me some exercises to do as well.  I already feel a lot better just with the spasms stopped, and also the Prednisone for the inflammation.

So my question is, when I'm ready to start back in, how do I do it?  I was in week 6 of a 20 week plan, and I definitely don't want to overdo it and re-injure myself.  I will talk to my PT about that as well, but I thought I'd get some feedback here.

Is there one discipline (swim, bike, run, freeweights) that is most likely, or least likely, to cause me problems?  What is the best approach to coming back after an injury?

Sorry to hear bro, but don't let it get you down!

I've been through 4 of these these last few months and they are a pain in the a$$, but (as Dirk said) work on your core. Talk with your PT and get the nessasary exercises. Walking is good and depending on where the disc is biking is great too. You may need to adjust your fit for a while to help the pain when biking. I'll be praying for your safe and speedy recovery!

Now, I'm on a high the last couple days! NO BACK PAIN!!! Woohoo!!!

I planned on doing some walking/running the last two days, but the weather has been great and just needed to get out and ride. Thursday I went out for a 20 miler and really wanted to do more, but the wind was blowing pretty good (17+mph) and kept it pretty short. Friday was the day! It was 55 degrees and really no wind. So, I went for it. I moved my bike fit back to an agressive aero and went out and had a blast. 50+ miles!!! The back felt great, my legs were jello at the end and a little pain in the neck/shoulder area. The pain is most likely from the change in fit.

So, in two days 77 miles! Next week I plan to get that same distance in a day (weather permitting). One lap around Lake Tahoe. I'm taking today and tomorrow off.

Sorry for being so self centered, but I'm riding on a high. There has been sooo many days and months of pain, mental struggles, and wondering if I could get back. Well, I'm on my way. Thank you everyone for the support!

 

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cycletherapy - 2012-02-24 7:43 PM

So apparently I have a herniated disc. ... Is there one discipline (swim, bike, run, freeweights) that is most likely, or least likely, to cause me problems?  What is the best approach to coming back after an injury?

Wow, tough injury.  I've been fortunate to have never had back issues, so I have no idea on recovery or how to train with this, but Jeff has certainly been there.  Sounds like you're already on the way, and I hope you continue down the path to recovery.

 

pgrun - 2012-02-25 3:48 PM

Ran 13 this morning - training run, so not too tough. Final swim lesson today, and felt a bit tired last 100's, but it was not the "bad" tired I felt Thursday/Friday. My muscles simply had enough. Feel OK now. Will see what tomorrow brings. Was careful to eat a bit more protein today - and think that may be what's helping.

Final TI lesson today at CHS.  The biggest part of the lesson - RELAX -

That's a nice long run to couple with an hour swim, quite a day.  I did 12.8 today in a bit more time than your 13, and I was fine with ending the day there!  No doubt about the swimming being all about relaxing.  It's amazing that when you relax and get in a rhythm, the speed just seems to follow.  I keep comparing swimming to the golf swing - you can't muscle your way to more power.  It has to flow.

 

Cagolddigger - 2012-02-25 5:28 PM

Now, I'm on a high the last couple days! NO BACK PAIN!!! Woohoo!!!So, in two days 77 miles! Next week I plan to get that same distance in a day (weather permitting). One lap around Lake Tahoe. I'm taking today and tomorrow off.

Sorry for being so self centered, but I'm riding on a high. There has been sooo many days and months of pain, mental struggles, and wondering if I could get back. Well, I'm on my way. Thank you everyone for the support!

What great news!  Answer to some prayers around here; you must feel incredible.  I could not possibly be more envious of you riding around lake Tahoe.  Have a safe and pleasant ride.

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pgrun - 2012-02-25 3:48 PM

Ran 13 this morning - training run, so not too tough. Final swim lesson today, and felt a bit tired last 100's, but it was not the "bad" tired I felt Thursday/Friday. My muscles simply had enough. Feel OK now. Will see what tomorrow brings. Was careful to eat a bit more protein today - and think that may be what's helping.

Final TI lesson today at CHS. Worked out, I was the only person who showed up! Great deal. Put past lessons together to final stroke. Actually swam the final 200 breathing bi-laterally - which I never could before. The biggest part of the lesson - RELAX - relax the arms a bit-the head-body---I had been muscling through the water. Best to use the water and not fight it. Not easy to explain - but I know I can feel the water now - and I could not before the lessons.

Bottom line - the same coach is on deck for masters workouts at the CHS pool each morning. Planned workouts, and help.......better than what I'm doing now - cannot coach myself swimming. I'm going to try to work things out so I can start swimming with that group - may take a month - but will be worth it.

I do recommend TI.

Logs - I have logged for years...But, I am logging more info now than in the past. I plan to continue adding info. I agree, in long run, info on how I felt--will help me training in the future.

Paul, that sounds like a good run and good news too.  I'm glad the fatigue was unrelated to anything other than training and lack of nutrition/fuel.  The swim sounds like it has been a huge success for you too.  If I remember correctly, you had the first week with the coaching all to your self.  That's an awesome deal to be able to get one on one focused coaching, even for a very short time. 

Bi-laterally breathing is a topic that can get a few people arguing about whether it is actually a necessity of triathlon or not.  Personally I think it is a good tool to have in the arsenal.  If you have a person swimming on either side of you, you have the option to switch sides and breath from the opposite side.  Also, I think it gives you a little more latitude for general breathing.  Most of the time in the pool I breath every third stroke which allows me to breath a little more relaxed and more smoothly.  Breathin, for me, every 2nd or 4th stroke in too much or not enough for harder sets.



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It is so nice to read all of the good news in this thread this morning! Great workouts everyone. I agree about relaxing in the water. I've been working on that lately too.

Stan nice ride and so happy you are not having any more back pain! We might need some photos of your ride around Lake Tahoe.  

I'm a little down with a virus, just waiting for it to pass out of my system. It is supposed to be 50's with 20-30 mph winds here today. Trying to make up my mind if I should attempt to ride outside. I don't have the energy to fight the wind but riding with the wind at my back would sure be easy .

2012-02-26 7:00 AM
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Stan, that's some really great news!  I'm glad to hear you are able to get the training going so soon.  The cycling is really good too.  77 miles in a couple of days is really nice.  I hope when the weather breaks I can get close to that but generally I probably won't have that much on consecutive days.

BTW, I don't think you sharing your successes is being self centered at all.  I think you have much to be thankful for and telling all of us is a great way to celebrate.  If you went fishing you tell all your fishing friends that you caught a great fish right?  Well, we want to hear all the stories and training news too.  Great job training and hopefully the run/walk makes it's way up soon.

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On my own personal note:  I have had a couple of days of grinding myself.  I have been trying to nail some good training for the past couple of days because I leave for Wyoming on Tuesday and I won't be able to do anything but run while I'm gone.  Friday I biked for 1:10 (24.5 miles), ran 5 miles and swam 3600 yards, yesterday I rode my long ride of 3 hours (55 miles) and did my long run of 9 miles.  I was hoping to get 2 bikes in today but it looks like I'll have to dial it back to 1.  My daughter had a friend over and they are sleeping in our living room.......my riding area.  There is no other place for me to ride without making "helicopter" sounds (my wife's word) because if the vibration of the trainer.

My legs are kind of yelling at me to relent, but I'll give them a break on the truck trip to Cody.  Well, other than running 3-5 miles a day (I hope) while on the way out there and while in Cody. 

The trip to Cody does bring up one area that I know NOTHING about.  The elevation in Ft. Wayne is 788 feet and Cody is 5017 feet, which is right on the cusp of what is called "high altitude training."  I know nothing about HAT and I am figuring on just slowing my pace some to allow for the added effort that will be taking place within my body.  Does anyone else have any thought on high altitude training?

2012-02-26 7:05 AM
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trigal38 - 2012-02-26 7:57 AM

It is so nice to read all of the good news in this thread this morning! Great workouts everyone. I agree about relaxing in the water. I've been working on that lately too.

Stan nice ride and so happy you are not having any more back pain! We might need some photos of your ride around Lake Tahoe.  

I'm a little down with a virus, just waiting for it to pass out of my system. It is supposed to be 50's with 20-30 mph winds here today. Trying to make up my mind if I should attempt to ride outside. I don't have the energy to fight the wind but riding with the wind at my back would sure be easy .

Great idea Dina!  Stan if you think about it try to get some pics around Lake Tahoe.  I have never seen it but from the pics I've seen it would be awesome.

Dina, if you can I would get out and ride if you think it's going to be nice enough.  You may need a couple of extra layers though because of the wind chill.  I don't have any cold weather cycling gear so if you go I'll be envious.  Another idea for riding outside is have your husband take you far enough away that you can ride the winds home, if you feel comfortable doing that.

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Great news, Stan and Paul! I'm glad you are both able to get back to training without any more ill effects. +1 on the pictures of the ride around Lake Tahoe! I'm sorry to hear you're feeling bad Dina, i hope it's gets better. Stay safe riding in those winds - we had 25mph winds with gusts up to 50 yesterday. I'm too much of a rookie to brave those! Good luck in Wyoming, Dirk. I remember my Dad saying he struggled to catch his breath on high altitude runs when he was visiting my sister in Colorado. I think he cut the distance and pace, and just ran by feel. He said he felt better after a few days. Let us know how it feels!So couple of quick questions for you all before I head out for this mornings run - first, how early do you guys enter races? I have a season planned, but I've only entered the first few races in case of unforeseen circumstances like injury, etc... How early do you guys stick your entries in?Have a fun east of the weekend everyone!
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