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brick94513 - 2010-05-18 4:24 PM

QOTD:

OK, lets see who nows the rules....  How many violations are you allowed in a race before being disqualified?

Also, how are time penalities determined?

And now... theme music from Jeopardy



Looks like 3 penalties gets you DQd, they are determined by race distance category/length of the cycling course.



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2010-05-18 9:07 PM
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BigH2OChief - 2010-05-18 5:59 PM Aero Helmets???

Hell J... I dont know if they work enough to justify the cost but there sure as hell were alot of them out there last weekend.

I think you should go for this model...



Yeah aero helmet!  I hope Tim can find that article, I'm really curious how much the stuff actually speeds you up.  I have read some anecdotal accounts of aero helmets actually being 'faster' than a set of carbon wheels.  If that's the case, why would I ever want to spend $1500 for some deep rim carbon wheels?  Of course, a PT would be awesome to train with, that's the only thing I can think I would drop that kind of cash on w/ regards to wheels.  At least any time soon anyway.
2010-05-18 9:09 PM
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croixfan - 2010-05-18 6:40 PM AOTD -- Have absolutely no idea.

On the good new front, think I am now officially "hooked" on training.  Headed to the gym this PM with a plan to do my swim + bike.  Got all changed in to my suit and realized that I'd forgot my goggles.  Tried to swim, but wasn't working.  Did the bike intervals I had planned and they went great.  Done now and don't feel like I did what I should.  Good news is the workout seemed "easy" and it'll give me a chance to rest up a bit.


LOL, that sucks.  Don't sweat it, just do another swim later this week to make up the difference for today.
2010-05-18 9:15 PM
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I just bought some race tires if anyone is looking to get some.  PBK has the conti gp 4000s on the cheap right now.  If you use 'usa10' coupon code, you get an addt'l 10% off.  Works out to ~$61 for a set.  That's barely more than 1 tire + shipping from a stateside internet retailer.  Shipping to the US is free and took about 2 weeks the last time I ordered from them.

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2010-05-18 9:58 PM
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Ahhh yes "J"... But do PBK Conti's come in Blue?

I started the install on my new TCSD hydration system tonight.  I'm doing the "Soldier Ride" this weekend so I'll try it out then.

AOTD:  I had no idea but could search USAT... but looks like the answer is already posted.
2010-05-18 10:21 PM
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Oh jeez Undecided, the BLUE stripe wont make you any faster!


2010-05-18 10:29 PM
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BigH2OChief - 2010-05-18 7:58 PM

I started the install on my new TCSD hydration system tonight. 


Cool, post up some pics when you get it on.  I like the idea, because it's similar to my speedfil setup, which I really like, but his wire wrapped drinking tube looked kinda jenky.  I bet if you got a speedfil or camelbak accessory pack a sleeve for the end of the drinking tube would clean that up nicely.
2010-05-18 10:33 PM
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Blue tires may not make you faster... b?ut the sperm-cap will obviously.  Seriously... 50% of the entries last weekend must have had them on.  I blew by a couple folks on Mountain Bikes wearing Aeros Laughing.


Hey J... you never told these guys about the "Homesteader" who arrived late and decided to shove your gear down the Transition Rack and use your towel for his stuff.  If that were me I would have "taken the extra time" to toss his/her shnizzle down the aisle... 



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Most of us probably won't take the time, but the usat rules are a pretty quick read and you will probably learn a thing or two just browsing it.   Good QOTD Tim.

2010-05-18 10:43 PM
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BigH2OChief - 2010-05-18 8:33 PM Blue tires may not make you faster... b?ut the sperm-cap will obviously.  Seriously... 50% of the entries last weekend must have had them on.  I blew by a couple folks on Mountain Bikes wearing Aeros Laughing.


Hey J... you never told these guys about the "Homesteader" who arrived late and decided to shove your gear down the Transition Rack and use your towel for his stuff.  If that were me I would have "taken the extra time" to toss his/her shnizzle down the aisle... 



Bahahaahahaa! Yeah, maybe I will just get a sperm sticker to slap on my AERO helmet.  Good conversation piece in the TA! LOL.  Oh yeah! So this faggot obviously decided he didnt NEED to A) rack his bike before the run or B) bring his own stuff for transition.  We get back after the run and this MTB is just leaned up against the end of our rack and his street skating helmet is laying on my stuff next to my cycling shoes.  I should have punted that sh*t out into the street, but I was in a good mood so I just left it there.  Maybe he was in a big hurry Tongue out  I must have really looked like I knew what I was doing because some chick asked me before the race as I was walking by, "Does the sticker go on the front or the back of the helmet?"  I patted my forhead and she said, "I knew you would know!"  Bahaaahaaahaa, it cracks me up that people are even less experienced at this than I am.
2010-05-18 10:44 PM
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shmeeg - 2010-05-18 7:07 PM
BigH2OChief - 2010-05-18 5:59 PM Aero Helmets???

Hell J... I dont know if they work enough to justify the cost but there sure as hell were alot of them out there last weekend.

I think you should go for this model...



Yeah aero helmet!  I hope Tim can find that article, I'm really curious how much the stuff actually speeds you up.  I have read some anecdotal accounts of aero helmets actually being 'faster' than a set of carbon wheels.  If that's the case, why would I ever want to spend $1500 for some deep rim carbon wheels?  Of course, a PT would be awesome to train with, that's the only thing I can think I would drop that kind of cash on w/ regards to wheels.  At least any time soon anyway.


I spent the last hour looking for that article.  I can't find it.  Its driving me crazy!


2010-05-18 10:47 PM
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Tell me the 3" wouldn't be dope to have on an aero helmet!

http://www.zazzle.com/villain_sperm_sticker-217824139872677227 
2010-05-18 10:50 PM
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brick94513 - 2010-05-18 8:44 PM
I spent the last hour looking for that article.  I can't find it.  Its driving me crazy!


Is this it?

http://www.tri-talk.com/Top20.asp
2010-05-18 10:51 PM
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Good job Jay!  I think its important to understand the rules since ignorance is not and excuse!

Article 3.7 - Time Penalties

Article 3.7 states the length of time penalties as dictated by the distance of the bike portion of the event.  In a short race, a 2-minute penalty should be a fair remedy for a rule violator. As the race distances increase, the time it takes to finish increases. Longer races have longer penalties. The longer penalty in longer distance events serves to punish the offender proportionately. 

Participants cited for multiple violations receive much longer time penalties, since the penalties are added together. For example, if you are in an intermediate race and receive two citations, your overall penalty totals 6 minutes (2 minutes for the first, 4 for the second), and that time will be added to your finish time. Three violations in one event will result in disqualification.

Here is the rule as it appears in the USAT Competitive Rules:

3.7 Time Penalties.     
a.     In General. A time penalty may be imposed for a violation of any section of these rules in which a time penalty is expressly authorized. In the event that a participant is assessed a time penalty, the applicable time period shall be added to that participant's aggregate finishing time in calculating official race results. Except as otherwise provided in Section 3.7B of these rules, time penalties shall be cumulative and a participant may be assessed more than one time penalty for violations of the same rule.     
b.     Variable Time Penalties. A "variable time penalty" as used in these rules shall mean a time penalty that varies in accordance with the distance category of the event, as defined by the length of the cycling course. The variable time penalty for each of the distance categories shall be the following:

Distance Category

First Offense

Second Offense

Third Offense

Short/Intermediate

Cycle course less than 50k

2 minutes

4 minutes

Disqualification

Long

Cycle Course 50k to 100k

4 minutes

8 minutes

Disqualification

Ultra

Cycle course greater than 100k

6 minutes

12 minutes

Disqualification

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shmeeg - 2010-05-18 8:50 PM
brick94513 - 2010-05-18 8:44 PM
I spent the last hour looking for that article.  I can't find it.  Its driving me crazy!


Is this it?

http://www.tri-talk.com/Top20.asp


No.  I saw that, but that's not it.
2010-05-18 10:56 PM
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Ah, well no biggie.  Don't hurt yourself lookin for the article.  I'm sure in a super or even a sprint distance race the aero helmet will only save me maybe 30 sec-1 minute.  It will just make me look cool, especially w/ the sperm sticker on it. Laughing


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shmeeg - 2010-05-18 8:56 PM Ah, well no biggie.  Don't hurt yourself lookin for the article.  I'm sure in a super or even a sprint distance race the aero helmet will only save me maybe 30 sec-1 minute.  It will just make me look cool, especially w/ the sperm sticker on it. Laughing


I think I read that the time savings is actually 1 minute over a 40k TT.  In addition, the time benefit and speed are positively related.  So, the slower you go, the less benefit you will reap.
2010-05-18 11:21 PM
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Hey you “West Coaster's” … Anyone think about the Las Vegas Triathlon?  It's Sunday, September 26, 2010 @ Lake Mead National Recreation Area near Vegas and there’s a little something for all of us.

Events are as follows:

~       Triathlon - Half: Swim 1.2 miles, Bike 56 miles, Run 13.1 miles

~       International Triathlon: Swim 1500 meters, Bike 24.9 miles, Run 6.2 miles

~       Sprint Triathlon: Swim 750 meters, Bike 12.4 miles, Run 3.1 miles

http://www.trifind.com/re_10973/LasVegasTriathlon.html

I will seriously think about dropping out of the Sandman in Virginia Beach if you guys were down with this... I'm just sayin'...


Let's go to Vegas, We'll all get drunk … Yeah, WHOO!! WHOO-HOO! ... Let's steal a cop car,  'cause it'll be really friggin' funny!

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BigH2OChief - 2010-05-18 9:21 PM

Hey you “West Coaster's” … Anyone think about the Las Vegas Triathlon?  It's Sunday, September 26, 2010 @ Lake Mead National Recreation Area near Vegas and there’s a little something for all of us.

Events are as follows:

~       Triathlon - Half: Swim 1.2 miles, Bike 56 miles, Run 13.1 miles

~       International Triathlon: Swim 1500 meters, Bike 24.9 miles, Run 6.2 miles

~       Sprint Triathlon: Swim 750 meters, Bike 12.4 miles, Run 3.1 miles

http://www.trifind.com/re_10973/LasVegasTriathlon.html

I will seriously think about dropping out of the Sandman in Virginia Beach if you guys were down with this... I'm just sayin'...


Let's go to Vegas, We'll all get drunk … Yeah, WHOO!! WHOO-HOO! ... Let's steal a cop car,  'cause it'll be really friggin' funny!



Well, if I don't qualify for XTERRA USA Nationals, I would be in for it!  Otherwise, I was looking at doing the Silverman HalfMax (Henderson, NV) in November.

2010-05-19 12:23 AM
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The 29 Palms tri team is doin that race too.  Register before the end of...June I think it is, before the entry fee goes up if you're thinkin about it.

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BigH2OChief - 2010-05-18 9:21 PM

I will seriously think about dropping out of the Sandman in Virginia Beach if you guys were down with this... I'm just sayin'...


Let's go to Vegas, We'll all get drunk … Yeah, WHOO!! WHOO-HOO! ... Let's steal a cop car,  'cause it'll be really friggin' funny!



You know me man, I'm down for it!  $75 for the sprint, that's as much as we paid for the super last weekend.  And it's a lake swim! I'm so in.

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brick94513 - 2010-05-18 9:19 PM

I think I read that the time savings is actually 1 minute over a 40k TT.  In addition, the time benefit and speed are positively related.  So, the slower you go, the less benefit you will reap.


That's it?  The sperm sticker has GOT to be worth at least 2 minutes at that distance.  Oh well, for 50 bucks I can score a used on on here or ST.  50 bucks, 30 seconds....definitely worth it LOL.
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Ok, gimme some opinions.  There's a guy selling some new FP40s on ST for ~$800.  Should I stick w/ my Neuvation plan that will run me about $300 or should I cough up the extra cash for the carbons?  That's a pretty serious price cut and I like the fact that they're clinchers and have an aluminum braking surface so I don't have to get new pads either.  But what does that additional $500 really get me?

http://www.flash-pointracing.com/fp40

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http://www.neuvationcycling.com/product197.html
http://www.neuvationcycling.com/product198.html
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BigH2OChief - 2010-05-18 11:21 PM

Hey you “West Coaster's” … Anyone think about the Las Vegas Triathlon?  It's Sunday, September 26, 2010 @ Lake Mead National Recreation Area near Vegas and there’s a little something for all of us.

Events are as follows:

~       Triathlon - Half: Swim 1.2 miles, Bike 56 miles, Run 13.1 miles

~       International Triathlon: Swim 1500 meters, Bike 24.9 miles, Run 6.2 miles

~       Sprint Triathlon: Swim 750 meters, Bike 12.4 miles, Run 3.1 miles

http://www.trifind.com/re_10973/LasVegasTriathlon.html

I will seriously think about dropping out of the Sandman in Virginia Beach if you guys were down with this... I'm just sayin'...


Let's go to Vegas, We'll all get drunk … Yeah, WHOO!! WHOO-HOO! ... Let's steal a cop car,  'cause it'll be really friggin' funny!



I'm going to be in vegas that week. My wife is trying to convince me to do this but I'm up in the air about doing a half IM the weekend before. If I do the 1/2 IM I'm resting that week and sitting by the pool drinking bud limes. But I could possible go to the venue to meet some of you guys. Keep me informed if you're doing this.
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shmeeg - 2010-05-19 1:13 AM

Ok, gimme some opinions.  There's a guy selling some new FP40s on ST for ~$800.  Should I stick w/ my Neuvation plan that will run me about $300 or should I cough up the extra cash for the carbons?  That's a pretty serious price cut and I like the fact that they're clinchers and have an aluminum braking surface so I don't have to get new pads either.  But what does that additional $500 really get me?

http://www.flash-pointracing.com/fp40

or

http://www.neuvationcycling.com/product197.html
http://www.neuvationcycling.com/product198.html


Jay, I'm kinda the king of spending money needlessly on upgrades on the bike. Heck, I spent $3k on upgrades for an aluminum Trek Fuel!!! Honestly, realize a set of training wheels is not going to help you out in any way. I think you know that already. That said, I love a little bling. So I say go for whatever your budget allows and you'll be happy with. But, if you can get the neuvations and then save a little and get a set of race wheels and an aero helmet too, that'd be ideal IMO
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