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2012-11-29 1:45 PM
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gearboy - 2012-11-29 11:49 AM
nolken - 2012-11-29 12:35 PM
chirunner134 - 2012-11-29 11:27 AM
tuwood - 2012-11-29 11:13 AM

The good news is that it's up to the judge to allow or disallow it and ultimately at this point it's about getting the most $ they can out of the assets of the company for the shareholders and creditors.  If everyone quits it would potentially be harder to sell the value of assets and the company could get less money overall.  At least I'm assuming that's the logic.

I'll admit that it looks bad on the surface, but in reality I have no problem with it and I suspect the judge will approve it.

So its kinda like if you stay until a company has to let you go they give you 6 weeks of pay at the end to make up for any lost time in looking for a new job?

the 1.8 million is for the many of the executives and top managers who are in charge of dealing with the company shut down. they will be orchestrating the liquidation of the company. The 19 people the 1.8 million is for will still have to be "employed" for another year.

Is there a link to the article describing things? Is it a bonus of 1.8 million or is it salaries? I would have a problem with bonuses going out when the company is being liquidated, at least if I was a shareholder. I would be pretty PO'd as well if I was a worker who had already taken (as previously discussed here) a pay cut and been asked to take another one while contributing more to my own insurances. If it is for salaries, do they need to get a judge to OK it? Are the assets somehow frozen once the bankruptcy begins such that salaries cannot be paid out? I think people working during a transition should be paid (although, I would argue that pay cuts might be in order - given that pay cuts were being demanded of the workers as the root of the problem), but not get bonuses.

According to this AP article they're bonuses in addition to salary.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HOSTESS_BANKRUPTCY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-29-07-55-06

The update on the sale of the company's brands comes as Hostess seeks approval in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York in White Plains, N.Y. to give its top executives bonuses totaling up to $1.8 million as part of its wind-down plans. The company says the incentive pay is needed to retain the 19 corporate officers and "high-level managers" during the liquidation process, which could take about a year.

Two of those executives would be eligible for additional rewards depending on how efficiently they carry out the liquidation. The bonuses would be in addition to their regular pay. A spokesman for Hostess noted executives will need to meet certain goals to get the bonuses.

The bonuses do not include pay for CEO Gregory Rayburn, who was brought on as a restructuring expert earlier this year. Rayburn is being paid $125,000 a month.

Thought you'd like that last paragraph too.  $125k a month would be nice. 

Unfortunately (or fortunately) it's all up to the courts, creditors, and shareholders at this point.  The union and laid off employees are pretty much out of the discussion at this point.



2012-11-29 1:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Sad day in America
gearboy - 2012-11-29 9:49 AM
nolken - 2012-11-29 12:35 PM
chirunner134 - 2012-11-29 11:27 AM
tuwood - 2012-11-29 11:13 AM

The good news is that it's up to the judge to allow or disallow it and ultimately at this point it's about getting the most $ they can out of the assets of the company for the shareholders and creditors.  If everyone quits it would potentially be harder to sell the value of assets and the company could get less money overall.  At least I'm assuming that's the logic.

I'll admit that it looks bad on the surface, but in reality I have no problem with it and I suspect the judge will approve it.

So its kinda like if you stay until a company has to let you go they give you 6 weeks of pay at the end to make up for any lost time in looking for a new job?

the 1.8 million is for the many of the executives and top managers who are in charge of dealing with the company shut down. they will be orchestrating the liquidation of the company. The 19 people the 1.8 million is for will still have to be "employed" for another year.

Is there a link to the article describing things? Is it a bonus of 1.8 million or is it salaries? I would have a problem with bonuses going out when the company is being liquidated, at least if I was a shareholder. I would be pretty PO'd as well if I was a worker who had already taken (as previously discussed here) a pay cut and been asked to take another one while contributing more to my own insurances. If it is for salaries, do they need to get a judge to OK it? Are the assets somehow frozen once the bankruptcy begins such that salaries cannot be paid out? I think people working during a transition should be paid (although, I would argue that pay cuts might be in order - given that pay cuts were being demanded of the workers as the root of the problem), but not get bonuses.

I'm just making an educated guess but the bonuses are probably retention bonuses. Those are bonuses that they promise to pay in addition to the normal salaries to "retain" them working at Hostess until xx date or a point that the business has been liquidated. They are pretty common. Without the retention bonus they will more than likely be out of there the first acceptable offer that comes along. This will be in affect golden handcuffs until their services are no longer required.

Remember when all the uproar was going on after the bailouts and people were getting bonuses when they left the company. Those for the most part were "retention bonuses" and they had completed their time/agreement and left with what was negotiated. Even Congressmen & Senators didn't understand them and were complaining and misrepresenting the bonus and those receiving them.

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