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Mad as a box of frogsTongue out.

Talking of lunatics taking over the asylum, how are you feeling Yanti??? I got the distinct impression all is not as it should be.



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I kept getting cramps in my lower calf, than foot.  Than I got cramps in my other foot.  Geez, I kept cramping all over the place!!  So I'm not sure if it is a nutrition issue, hydration issue, or muscle fatigue issue. 

Gotta cover all your bases, right? Vast majority of the time, cramping is a muscle fatigue issue. The fact that 2500 is great for you (meaning more than you usually do) points to that.

It could also be a pushing off the wall issue.  Maybe you push off harder at the end of the workout to compensate for ... something?

Good point. Just doing more distance = more wall push-offs = likelihood of cramping.

I'm a notorious push-harder-off-wall-than-fitness-allows type ...

2012-05-01 2:40 PM
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ukweeble - 2012-05-02 3:20 AM

Mad as a box of frogsTongue out.

Talking of lunatics taking over the asylum, how are you feeling Yanti??? I got the distinct impression all is not as it should be.

HA!!! I was just about to reply that my madness would make a box of frogs look serene ...

Yeah, denial ... I keep meaning to post in here about the state of affairs but somehow never quite get to it, hoppy as you all are.

It's pretty bad. The official diagnosis is chronic hemorrhagic typhoid fever (nearly an oxymoron but one can hemorrhage slowly). The truth is I need hospitalization for every reason there is to need it--parenteral nutrition, hydration, fever reduction, pain management, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics--but I am VERY hesitant to undergo that here. The catch-22 is that the worse off you are, the more you need to be hospitalized, but the worse off you are, the more complicated it is and the far less able the hospitals are to deal with that here. One way or another I'm looking at about a 2-month recovery. I'm trying to hold the bodily fort down here at home but if at minimum I don't get better, I won't have a choice in hospital or no.

My sister is even more ill than I am (concurrent dengue, typhoid, and intestinal parasite, all in acute phase) so I feel obliged to look in on her a bit even if it's just by phone.

Both of us are pretty glum, severe depression is one of the hallmarks of the illnesses, even above and beyond how depressed being that ill for that long would make a person. I'm a bit more cavalier, having ridden these horses many times before, but sometimes ... it's really awful.

2012-05-01 2:40 PM
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TriAya - 2012-05-01 2:28 PM
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TriAya - 2012-05-01 2:33 PM
cggale - 2012-05-02 1:04 AM

I kept getting cramps in my lower calf, than foot.  Than I got cramps in my other foot.  Geez, I kept cramping all over the place!!  So I'm not sure if it is a nutrition issue, hydration issue, or muscle fatigue issue. 

Gotta cover all your bases, right? Vast majority of the time, cramping is a muscle fatigue issue. The fact that 2500 is great for you (meaning more than you usually do) points to that.

It could also be a pushing off the wall issue.  Maybe you push off harder at the end of the workout to compensate for ... something?

Good point. Just doing more distance = more wall push-offs = likelihood of cramping.

I'm a notorious push-harder-off-wall-than-fitness-allows type ...

I always tended to get some cramping in my foot (and occasionally my calf) when I flexed my foot TOO much in attempt to point my toes.

2012-05-01 2:46 PM
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Asalzwed - 2012-05-02 3:40 AM
TriAya - 2012-05-01 2:28 PM
jmkizer - 2012-05-02 2:55 AM

TriAya - 2012-05-01 2:33 PM
cggale - 2012-05-02 1:04 AM

I kept getting cramps in my lower calf, than foot.  Than I got cramps in my other foot.  Geez, I kept cramping all over the place!!  So I'm not sure if it is a nutrition issue, hydration issue, or muscle fatigue issue. 

Gotta cover all your bases, right? Vast majority of the time, cramping is a muscle fatigue issue. The fact that 2500 is great for you (meaning more than you usually do) points to that.

It could also be a pushing off the wall issue.  Maybe you push off harder at the end of the workout to compensate for ... something?

Good point. Just doing more distance = more wall push-offs = likelihood of cramping.

I'm a notorious push-harder-off-wall-than-fitness-allows type ...

I always tended to get some cramping in my foot (and occasionally my calf) when I flexed my foot TOO much in attempt to point my toes.

Tsk tsk. Did you miss my "point your ankle, not your foot" post?

2012-05-01 2:48 PM
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TriAya - 2012-05-01 8:40 PM
ukweeble - 2012-05-02 3:20 AM

Mad as a box of frogsTongue out.

Talking of lunatics taking over the asylum, how are you feeling Yanti??? I got the distinct impression all is not as it should be.

HA!!! I was just about to reply that my madness would make a box of frogs look serene ...

Yeah, denial ... I keep meaning to post in here about the state of affairs but somehow never quite get to it, hoppy as you all are.

It's pretty bad. The official diagnosis is chronic hemorrhagic typhoid fever (nearly an oxymoron but one can hemorrhage slowly). The truth is I need hospitalization for every reason there is to need it--parenteral nutrition, hydration, fever reduction, pain management, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics--but I am VERY hesitant to undergo that here. The catch-22 is that the worse off you are, the more you need to be hospitalized, but the worse off you are, the more complicated it is and the far less able the hospitals are to deal with that here. One way or another I'm looking at about a 2-month recovery. I'm trying to hold the bodily fort down here at home but if at minimum I don't get better, I won't have a choice in hospital or no.

My sister is even more ill than I am (concurrent dengue, typhoid, and intestinal parasite, all in acute phase) so I feel obliged to look in on her a bit even if it's just by phone.

Both of us are pretty glum, severe depression is one of the hallmarks of the illnesses, even above and beyond how depressed being that ill for that long would make a person. I'm a bit more cavalier, having ridden these horses many times before, but sometimes ... it's really awful.

I'm beginning to think that Bali isn't the paradise i have been led to believe. However, i would risk it to give you an extra extra big hug right now. Please look after yourself xxx.



2012-05-01 2:48 PM
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Hey Manatees.  Catching up from a great weekend.  We went and did a little "staycation" at the beach to celebrate our wedding anniversary.  I surprised my wife by bringing her mother and younger sister in town to be our babysitters.  It was a pretty fun weekend with perfect weather.  Didn't want to leave our condo at all.  Now I'm back to the real world. blech.

Speaking of real world, while we were down by the beach I took the opprotunity to swim in the Gulf.  I posted about it in the main forum so I won't repeat it here.  Basically I was just getting beat up and thrown all around by those waves!  Form? Ha! It's one thing to work on form swimming in a perfectly calm pool.  It's another thing when I'm 30degrees off axis as the next wave comes through.  Plus, I think I don't get the sense that I'm moving at all in the open water, so I swim in harder...and get more tired. Ah well.  Have to put Yanti and everyone elses advice to work.  Maybe I'll head down to the beach again next weekend.

Not much training for me this week.  I'm leaving for NYC tomorrow morning for a business trip with lots of late night work sessions. Boo.

2012-05-01 2:48 PM
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TriAya - 2012-05-01 2:46 PM
Asalzwed - 2012-05-02 3:40 AM
TriAya - 2012-05-01 2:28 PM
jmkizer - 2012-05-02 2:55 AM

TriAya - 2012-05-01 2:33 PM
cggale - 2012-05-02 1:04 AM

I kept getting cramps in my lower calf, than foot.  Than I got cramps in my other foot.  Geez, I kept cramping all over the place!!  So I'm not sure if it is a nutrition issue, hydration issue, or muscle fatigue issue. 

Gotta cover all your bases, right? Vast majority of the time, cramping is a muscle fatigue issue. The fact that 2500 is great for you (meaning more than you usually do) points to that.

It could also be a pushing off the wall issue.  Maybe you push off harder at the end of the workout to compensate for ... something?

Good point. Just doing more distance = more wall push-offs = likelihood of cramping.

I'm a notorious push-harder-off-wall-than-fitness-allows type ...

I always tended to get some cramping in my foot (and occasionally my calf) when I flexed my foot TOO much in attempt to point my toes.

Tsk tsk. Did you miss my "point your ankle, not your foot" post?

Well....yeah...hence the foot, calf cramping Wink

2012-05-01 2:58 PM
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wushunut - 2012-05-01 2:48 PM

Hey Manatees.  Catching up from a great weekend.  We went and did a little "staycation" at the beach to celebrate our wedding anniversary.  I surprised my wife by bringing her mother and younger sister in town to be our babysitters.  It was a pretty fun weekend with perfect weather.  Didn't want to leave our condo at all.  Now I'm back to the real world. blech.

Speaking of real world, while we were down by the beach I took the opprotunity to swim in the Gulf.  I posted about it in the main forum so I won't repeat it here.  Basically I was just getting beat up and thrown all around by those waves!  Form? Ha! It's one thing to work on form swimming in a perfectly calm pool.  It's another thing when I'm 30degrees off axis as the next wave comes through.  Plus, I think I don't get the sense that I'm moving at all in the open water, so I swim in harder...and get more tired. Ah well.  Have to put Yanti and everyone elses advice to work.  Maybe I'll head down to the beach again next weekend.

Not much training for me this week.  I'm leaving for NYC tomorrow morning for a business trip with lots of late night work sessions. Boo.

1. Very cool you got some time with your wife. That is great. Nice surprise, too!

2. Oh silly, that's why you bring a surfBOARD with you, problem solved Wink

2012-05-01 3:00 PM
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Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

2012-05-01 3:03 PM
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wushunut - 2012-05-01 4:00 PM

Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

You need to swim out farther Wink

Fail on my part of getting up for the run this morning, had to chase around cat who had tried to eat a toad, not poisonous but apparently REALLY bad tasting that made him puke for awhile and then he had to sleep on top of my head to recuperate so sleep or run sleep won. 

 

Swimming tonight will have to look at how my hand enters since all this talking about it I guess I should put it to good use...



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Tripopo - 2012-05-02 4:03 AM
wushunut - 2012-05-01 4:00 PM

Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

You need to swim out farther Wink

Fail on my part of getting up for the run this morning, had to chase around cat who had tried to eat a toad, not poisonous but apparently REALLY bad tasting that made him puke for awhile and then he had to sleep on top of my head to recuperate so sleep or run sleep won. 

 

Swimming tonight will have to look at how my hand enters since all this talking about it I guess I should put it to good use...

Who lent you my cat?!

I have been (painfully recently) screaming, "Can we please make it through ONE night without anybody puking!!!"

Sleep is good stuff.

2012-05-01 3:07 PM
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Tripopo - 2012-05-01 3:03 PM
wushunut - 2012-05-01 4:00 PM

Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

You need to swim out farther Wink

Fail on my part of getting up for the run this morning, had to chase around cat who had tried to eat a toad, not poisonous but apparently REALLY bad tasting that made him puke for awhile and then he had to sleep on top of my head to recuperate so sleep or run sleep won. 

 

Swimming tonight will have to look at how my hand enters since all this talking about it I guess I should put it to good use...

Oooh boy, as far as excuses not to run THAT is a good one. No way someone could make something like that up! Hahaha. Sorry, I am laughing at your expense. Or your cat's expense?

My cat was on my kitchen table last night and puked *off* of the table. The noise it made when it hit the wood floor almost made ME puke. 

Sighhhhhh. Cats, man. 

2012-05-01 3:10 PM
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wushunut - 2012-05-01 4:00 PM

Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

You need to swim out farther Wink

Fail on my part of getting up for the run this morning, had to chase around cat who had tried to eat a toad, not poisonous but apparently REALLY bad tasting that made him puke for awhile and then he had to sleep on top of my head to recuperate so sleep or run sleep won. 

 

Swimming tonight will have to look at how my hand enters since all this talking about it I guess I should put it to good use...

Oooh boy, as far as excuses not to run THAT is a good one. No way someone could make something like that up! Hahaha. Sorry, I am laughing at your expense. Or your cat's expense?

My cat was on my kitchen table last night and puked *off* of the table. The noise it made when it hit the wood floor almost made ME puke. 

Sighhhhhh. Cats, man. 

HAHAHAHAAAAAA first good belly cackle of the day! Man, that hurt. Is this the cat that hates you?

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Tripopo - 2012-05-01 3:03 PM
wushunut - 2012-05-01 4:00 PM

Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

You need to swim out farther Wink

Fail on my part of getting up for the run this morning, had to chase around cat who had tried to eat a toad, not poisonous but apparently REALLY bad tasting that made him puke for awhile and then he had to sleep on top of my head to recuperate so sleep or run sleep won. 

 

Swimming tonight will have to look at how my hand enters since all this talking about it I guess I should put it to good use...

I guess I should have but I was pretty beat just trying to get past the breakers. Two sets (stupid sand bar).  But the real reason was that they had the purple flags flying at the beach which means marine life warning.  Usually that means jellyfish but I didn't see or feel a single one.  So if it's not jellyfish...

That and I also saw a huge stingray swim by directly beneath me.  I love wildlife and all but close encounters?



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TriAya - 2012-05-01 3:10 PM
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wushunut - 2012-05-01 4:00 PM

Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

 

HAHAHAHAAAAAA first good belly cackle of the day! Man, that hurt. Is this the cat that hates you?

No, this is the cat who's mother is his aunt and father is his uncle...



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wushunut - 2012-05-02 4:14 AM
Tripopo - 2012-05-01 3:03 PM
wushunut - 2012-05-01 4:00 PM

Eh... while the waves seem HUGE when you're trying to swim.  They kind of suck for any kind of riding.  Not much going on in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

You need to swim out farther Wink

Fail on my part of getting up for the run this morning, had to chase around cat who had tried to eat a toad, not poisonous but apparently REALLY bad tasting that made him puke for awhile and then he had to sleep on top of my head to recuperate so sleep or run sleep won. 

 

Swimming tonight will have to look at how my hand enters since all this talking about it I guess I should put it to good use...

I guess I should have but I was pretty beat just trying to get past the breakers. Two sets (stupid sand bar).  But the real reason was that they had the purple flags flying at the beach which means marine life warning.  Usually that means jellyfish but I didn't see or feel a single one.  So if it's not jellyfish...

That and I also saw a huge stingray swim by directly beneath me.  I love wildlife and all but close encounters?

Oh, how magical! What has startled me before, though, is when I see the edge of a stingray's "wing" flip up and skim the surface ... it looks EXACTLY like a shark fin.

I've actually had that picture exactly happen, same distance too (could just about have touched it!) except I was breathing toward the shark, and it was so beautiful (a blacktip reef shark--black/gold/white fin, they look like beagles!) I stopped swimming for a moment and just watched it cruise on.

Oh wait. None of that was your point

2012-05-01 3:29 PM
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Which is great if you swim like a fish.

 

Not so great if you swim like me...which is to say, like bait.

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wushunut - 2012-05-02 4:29 AM

Which is great if you swim like a fish.

 

Not so great if you swim like me...which is to say, like bait.

Another great reason to STOP STRUGGLING! and relax.

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Yes ma'am. Embarassed
2012-05-01 3:44 PM
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Hmmmm Yanti, you seem to be feeling better. Cracking the whip and whatnot


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Asalzwed - 2012-05-02 4:44 AM Hmmmm Yanti, you seem to be feeling better. Cracking the whip and whatnot

I don't know what it is, but there's something about OTHER people's puking cats and being able to whip piglets that puts me in much better spirits. That's really half the battle right there.

2012-05-01 3:57 PM
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I'm still not sure how he got the toad onto the screened in porch...  Add to the fun was the dog sympathy drooling to help the cat feel better, Animals what are ya gonna do.

 

Stingrays this early Keye?  I remember going to visit my grandparents in FT Myers and having to do the stingray shuffle but I thought that was more like August than May...

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My cat was on my kitchen table last night and puked *off* of the table. The noise it made when it hit the wood floor almost made ME puke. 

Sighhhhhh. Cats, man. 

OMG, that made me puke a little I think!  My cat's food bowl is on top of the fridge, so he's puked off of it before.  NAS-T! 

One a much - well the same note really - one of my dogs threw up 3 times last night.  In 3 different places.  Could he/she not have just stood in one place to barf?  I mean, really?!?!



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Questions for the Manatees - what are your recommendations on wetsuits (e.g., brands)? I am going to need to buy one soon to start OWS practice.  I can get a discount at Xterra through my club, but obviously they only sell online.  I'd prefer not to spend over $250, but then again I don't want a piece of crap that will rip.  Also, I'm short but a little round, so I'm concerned about proper fit.  I'm in Massachusetts, so I am thinking full suit - the water is going to be pretty chilly well into the start of tri season (my first OW tri is 7/14/12, but I'll start a coached workout group at the end of May).

Thanks!

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