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 2009-04-28 3:49 AM in reply to: #2111194 |
Expert  1068   , District of Columbia |  Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSEDboxer - 2009-04-26 5:12 PM David, Got a few questions regarding swim training - Do you recommend training in open water (ocean/lake/river) - What's a good technique for training in the ocean? - How long should be these sessions? - Finally, should I get a wetsuit or is that something I can skip for now? Thanks PS: Question open for anybody willing to help this rockie......... Great questions. If you have open water near you, go for it. Since most races have OWS (open water swims), the more practice you have out there, the more comfortable you'll be in a race. However, most of my swimming is done in the pool, as that's all I've got. Length/volume/technique depend on how good of a swimmer you are and how long of a race you are doing. Google "total immersion swimming" and see what you find. You should also take a look at the articles on this site. Ultimately, I'd try to swim whatever distance you're going to swim in your race, but do not -- do not -- just go out there and try to do that if you have little open water experience. Trust me, there's a big difference between swimming in a pool and swimming in a large body of water that has waves, current, things growing and swimming in it, and visibility so poor that you can't see the fingers on your outstretched hand. Start out small and slow and build. Wetsuits depend on the temperature of the water on race day. At either 76 or 78, they're banned. They do provide buoyancy, but I've found they also limit the reach of my stroke. So if you're doing a cool water swim, you need a wetsuit. If your water is going to be in the 70s, you don't. |
| 2009-04-28 4:01 AM in reply to: #2099070 |
Expert 1068 , District of Columbia | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED prof40 - 2009-04-21 5:41 AM gplitt - 2009-04-20 11:58 PM Sprint triathlon on April 26: Conservative estimate: S 400 yards: 6:00 T1: 1:30 B 10 miles: 35:00 T2: 1:30 R 2.5 miles: 21:30 Total: 1:05:30 Amazing race estimate: S 400 yards: 5:40 T1: 1:15 B 10 miles: 30:00 T2: 1:00 R 2.5 miles: 20:00 Total: 57:55 Personal goal: Finish the race strong and happy with no regrets, spend a great morning at a race with my mom, and still make it home in time so I can enjoy a sunny Sunday afternoon with my wife. Feel good if I hit my 'conservative' estimate, but feel downright awesome if I hit my 'amazing' times. Well, the results are up, and while I beat my conservative goals, I missed my "amazing" ones by 2 1/2 minutes. I just didn't have the legs for the run, which means I'm going to have to start doing more bike/run bricks to get my body used to the strain. It also means I'm going to start doing some speed work. However, I did finish the race happy, spent a great morning with family, got a nice tan, and had a good afternoon with my wife, despite my tentative hobbling. I bashed my ankles during the race against the pool wall so I was a bit tender with every step Sunday night. But I probably was not as tender as some of you long-distance cyclists were feeling! Anyone wake up Monday and have trouble getting in and out of their car because their legs were so sore? |
| 2009-04-28 9:26 AM in reply to: #2070143 |
Regular 87 Vancouver | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED David, or others, I have a question. I have been training since mid February (10 or 11 weeks) pretty much 6 days a week. In my last 6 weeks I've been averaging about 10 hours a week. I was doing very little for 6 months before I started my training, so this has been quite an increase. My last two workouts have been lousy, a treadmill run yesterday and a swim this morning, and I feel tired, sore and spent. As the AP coordinator and an AP teacher at my school, this is my hardest month of the year at work (AP tests start next week), so that adds a lot of stress. I'm not sleeping well at all. Should I take a couple days off, or will that hurt my training goals? I'm worried about losing ground--but can one gain ground by taking strategic time off? I'm 14 weeks out from my primary race, and 6 weeks from my Olympic. Edited by gplitt 2009-04-28 9:26 AM |
| 2009-04-28 11:49 AM in reply to: #2114635 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Thanks a lot David, I'm in Savannah, not far from Tybee Island, so I should be able to go for some OWSs. Water temp right now is 71 but I think it will get warmer pretty soon. I guess I will just swimm along the beach, I wouldn't get to far from the shore. (Jaws hangs out there some whre  )I was doing some drills at the pool and between that and the aerobars I think I messed my back a little. That hasn't sotoped me, just going a bit easier. Today I'll go to the pool and just swim, shooting for 2500 yds, we'll see.... Like I already told Krystyna, I guess I'll wait a bit on the wetsuit. They are kind of pricy anyway, .......... It's official now, I'm registered for my FIRST EVER TRIATHLON!!! It's pretty exiting. http://savannahtriathlon.com/registration_sprint_tri_series_2009 This weekend I'll try to do my first brick. What distances should I aim for? Thanks again! Jaime |
| 2009-04-28 12:04 PM in reply to: #2114636 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Congrats David! Edited by boxer 2009-04-28 12:05 PM |
| 2009-04-28 12:20 PM in reply to: #2114632 |
Extreme Veteran 458 Montreal | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED prof40 - 2009-04-28 4:29 AM Funny you should mention that, Krystyna, as I was going to reward your awesome effort with the right to choose the next challenge. What do you have in mind? Let us know by Thursday so we can plan our weekends! Hmm... well, we've all got races coming up, so I suggest we do some long distance work, split up with short distance sprints. Choose a length you are comfortable at completing, and split it into 6 components, such that you are doing 1 long, 1 short THREE times. An example would be: 2400m total -- 750m free swim, long pull, strong kicks -- perform this perfectly, not too fast, not too slow, very strong -- rest 15-30s -- 50m SPRINT repeat x3 for a total of 2400m Of course, if 2400m is too long or too short, adjust it to a level where you can perform every set perfectly. Record your times and come back to discuss! Our goal in completing this challenge is to envision a perfect swim where absolutely nothing goes wrong: your breathing is perfect, your rhythm is flawless and your kicks and pulls are strong. Doing this kind of swimming does not necessarily mean going fast. Instead, it is to create muscle memory for your body. Once your muscles know how to swim a flawless swim then, even when you're nervous (as you'll undoubtedly be for a race!!), you'll be capable of swimming effectively without floundering. My swimming coach taught me this after she realized that I swam really well under no pressure, but when it came to racing, I got nervous and my stroke went to crap. It's really helped!! How does this sound? |
| 2009-04-28 1:21 PM in reply to: #2070143 |
Regular 87 Vancouver | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Krystyna, Great choice. Can we do this assignment this week before the weekend? I could do it Thursday. I am going to try to do a mock olympic this weekend and do my first outdoor swim ever, try the transitions, put in the distance, etc. It is, however, 40 degrees and raining again. Our 80 degrees was 3 days and long gone. Boxer, Is that your bike in the picture? Wow! |
| 2009-04-28 1:34 PM in reply to: #2115149 |
Expert 1068 , District of Columbia | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED gplitt - 2009-04-28 10:26 AM David, or others, I have a question. I have been training since mid February (10 or 11 weeks) pretty much 6 days a week. In my last 6 weeks I've been averaging about 10 hours a week. I was doing very little for 6 months before I started my training, so this has been quite an increase. My last two workouts have been lousy, a treadmill run yesterday and a swim this morning, and I feel tired, sore and spent. As the AP coordinator and an AP teacher at my school, this is my hardest month of the year at work (AP tests start next week), so that adds a lot of stress. I'm not sleeping well at all. Should I take a couple days off, or will that hurt my training goals? I'm worried about losing ground--but can one gain ground by taking strategic time off? I'm 14 weeks out from my primary race, and 6 weeks from my Olympic. I say take 3 days off and see how you feel on Saturday. Not sure if you ever saw it -- remember the movie "Bull Durham", where the guys on the minor league baseball team were on a winning streak and then started getting all freaked out because they were on a streak? Kevin Costner snuck on the field the night before a game and turned the watering system on, flooding the field and requiring the game to be cancelled. Sometimes you just need a "rain day". I bet you'll feel great on Saturday. Edited by prof40 2009-04-28 1:34 PM |
| 2009-04-28 1:36 PM in reply to: #2115759 |
Expert 1068 , District of Columbia | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED krystyna47 - 2009-04-28 1:20 PM prof40 - 2009-04-28 4:29 AM Funny you should mention that, Krystyna, as I was going to reward your awesome effort with the right to choose the next challenge. What do you have in mind? Let us know by Thursday so we can plan our weekends! Hmm... well, we've all got races coming up, so I suggest we do some long distance work, split up with short distance sprints. Choose a length you are comfortable at completing, and split it into 6 components, such that you are doing 1 long, 1 short THREE times. An example would be: 2400m total -- 750m free swim, long pull, strong kicks -- perform this perfectly, not too fast, not too slow, very strong -- rest 15-30s -- 50m SPRINT repeat x3 for a total of 2400m Of course, if 2400m is too long or too short, adjust it to a level where you can perform every set perfectly. Record your times and come back to discuss! Our goal in completing this challenge is to envision a perfect swim where absolutely nothing goes wrong: your breathing is perfect, your rhythm is flawless and your kicks and pulls are strong. Doing this kind of swimming does not necessarily mean going fast. Instead, it is to create muscle memory for your body. Once your muscles know how to swim a flawless swim then, even when you're nervous (as you'll undoubtedly be for a race!!), you'll be capable of swimming effectively without floundering. My swimming coach taught me this after she realized that I swam really well under no pressure, but when it came to racing, I got nervous and my stroke went to crap. It's really helped!! How does this sound? Sounds perfect. I'm in. |
| 2009-04-28 1:42 PM in reply to: #2115708 |
Expert 1068 , District of Columbia | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED boxer - 2009-04-28 1:04 PM I have to say that since I committed to this "project", I feel so much better about myself, and that's probably why I really want to be cautious, I've fail before for trying to go to far, too fast, too soon. On this one I really want to go like the "old bull" story and hopefully, one day in the future, I'll be able to finish healthy an Ironman...... that would be sweeeet!!! I so hear what you're saying -- you've got the fever! Which is why it's important to not only set your goals, but figure out why you're making them, and then planning on how you're going to meet them. Congrats on your race entry! |
| 2009-04-28 1:58 PM in reply to: #2115989 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Thanks! Is identical except for the wheels, I just have the stock version (shimano wheels) but I like them a lot. It came with Dura Ace, it's really a beauty. 2008 Cervelo P2 SL 56. I consider this bike my mid-life crisis mistress!!! I'm I going overboard here???????? Like David said, I got the fever........ As far as Krystyna's assignment, I'll try to knock it down during the week as well. I would really like to try to join some one on the weekend for a longer ride and get an OWS. Wx in Savannah is pretty decent now, low 80's and lots of sandgnats!!!! |
| 2009-04-28 2:02 PM in reply to: #2115759 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Sounds great Krystyna! I was shooting for a similar distance today anyway. I'll let you know how it went. After the pool I have to do "desert with daddy" with my daughter at school. I guess I have to go earn that dessert!!!! Thanks, Jaime |
| 2009-04-28 4:44 PM in reply to: #2070143 |
| Member 49 | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED So I did my first brick today at lunch. Just 25 min on the bike and 10 minutes on the treadmill. Oh man. I need to update my "realistic" goals--finish my sprint and don't end up in a hospital.  |
| 2009-04-28 5:42 PM in reply to: #2070143 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Ok Krystyna, just got back from the pool. Did exactly like you said + 200 (50x4) drills. So I logged total 2600 swim today. Felt great!! Like you said I focused on technique, trying to get extension. That's my contribution, heading to school now to get my desert!!! |
| 2009-04-28 6:56 PM in reply to: #2070143 |
| Veteran 189 | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Sorry guys, been away for too long. Been real busy working, overtraining, and dating a girl out of town. Now that I've got a foot problem and I need to rest a bit, I am finally able to check back in. Here are my three goals: 1. Complete first sprint tri in Waukegon Il in July 2. Complete first Olympic in Cleveland in August 3. Complete Olympic in under 3 hrs. These goals are going to become more difficult now that I've got a foot problem, but I should be able to concentrate more on the swim and cycling training for a few weeks. As for what the problem is, I don't know exactly. It just started hurting last night while I was walking around the house. I didn't feel a pop or anything like when I had a stress fracture in the past so I don't know what it is. The pain is between my arch and heal. I'm gonna rest it a few days and see if it starts getting better before I schedule a doctor's appointment. |
| 2009-04-28 9:04 PM in reply to: #2116904 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Brian,
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| 2009-04-28 9:05 PM in reply to: #2116904 |
| 17 | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Zupe - 2009-04-28 7:56 PM These goals are going to become more difficult now that I've got a foot problem, but I should be able to concentrate more on the swim and cycling training for a few weeks. As for what the problem is, I don't know exactly. It just started hurting last night while I was walking around the house. I didn't feel a pop or anything like when I had a stress fracture in the past so I don't know what it is. The pain is between my arch and heal. I'm gonna rest it a few days and see if it starts getting better before I schedule a doctor's appointment. Uh oh... could be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantar_fasciitis Edited by cunninghamjerry 2009-04-28 9:06 PM |
| 2009-04-29 2:06 PM in reply to: #2070143 |
Regular 87 Vancouver | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Question: I've never had a back message and I think I need one. Anything I need to know? Where to go--as in, anywhere, sports club, chiropractor's office? Type to get? How often? What I should pay? I know nothing about it. |
| 2009-04-29 9:47 PM in reply to: #2118826 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Greg, Edited by boxer 2009-04-30 12:20 PM |
| 2009-04-29 11:27 PM in reply to: #2070143 |
| 17 | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Hi all, Well, my first tri ever was moved up about a month. A friend of mine emailed the other day and asked if I wanted to do the Nanticoke Sprint this Sunday. Being of unsound mind (I had had a beer or two) and unsound body (my knee was killing me; could barely go up/down stairs... result of what I have diagnosed as an IT Band problem) of course I said "yeah, let's go for it"! Just like I'm sure you guys would have, right?  It's 1/2 mile swim, 15.2 mile bike, and a 5k... we'll see how it goes. I'll let you know on Monday... Jerry |
| 2009-04-30 12:08 AM in reply to: #2119965 |
Extreme Veteran 458 Montreal | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED cunninghamjerry - 2009-04-30 12:27 AM Hi all, Well, my first tri ever was moved up about a month. A friend of mine emailed the other day and asked if I wanted to do the Nanticoke Sprint this Sunday. Being of unsound mind (I had had a beer or two) and unsound body (my knee was killing me; could barely go up/down stairs... result of what I have diagnosed as an IT Band problem) of course I said "yeah, let's go for it"! Just like I'm sure you guys would have, right? It's 1/2 mile swim, 15.2 mile bike, and a 5k... we'll see how it goes. I'll let you know on Monday... Jerry Wow, that's so spur of the moment and exciting! Have boat-loads of fun but try not to injure yourself so badly that you're out for lengthy periods of time! No one likes a grumpy triathlete... :P |
| 2009-04-30 4:49 AM in reply to: #2070143 |
Expert 1068 , District of Columbia | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED Ditto, on the above. Grumpy triathletes are horrible! Especially when they're all sore and grunting and wincing as they walk about the room. Or is that just me? Have fun, but mind the leg. If it really starts to hurt, stop running and walk it in. |
| 2009-04-30 8:36 AM in reply to: #2070143 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED |
| 2009-04-30 9:55 AM in reply to: #2120040 |
Regular 87 Vancouver | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED prof40 - 2009-04-30 4:49 AM Ditto, on the above. Grumpy triathletes are horrible! Especially when they're all sore and grunting and wincing as they walk about the room. Or is that just me? Okay--this is the end of David's quote and I'm writing now--I still haven't figured out the quote deal. That's what I'm turing into--sore and grunting and wincing and grumpy. Not pleasant. It seems a bunch of us are getting injured or at least dogged by pain. So David, I took your advice and took yesterday off, and I even took a nap after work. I did our 2400 swim this morning, and it went well--I feel way better today than yesterday. I'm supposed to do an 11 mile run tonight, but I'm probably not going to. I think I'll go get some crack--I mean, a message--instead. I'll take tomorrow off, too, and then see if I'm back in the groove. I don't like the idea of taking time off, but I guess it's better than injury. Yesterday my back hurt so bad I could foresee my tri-dream ending in ignominy. I am going to try to do a mock olympic on Saturday--just to try to get familiar with all of the stages and see how far I've really come in training. We don't have anything real events around here until the end of May so I thought I'd make up my own. Krystyna--great workout idea. It pushed me hard, but was rewarding. Boxer--I love the video, but now I feel like a total wimp. It may quit raining today. If any of you have water shortages this summer, just let me know. I have a few billion gallons I'd like to get rid of. Have a great day all. Edited by gplitt 2009-04-30 9:57 AM |
| 2009-04-30 11:06 AM in reply to: #2070143 |
Veteran 260 Hong Kong | Subject: RE: Prof40's group CLOSED |
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