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Thanks for the info Rick!

I love vegis and fruit, it will take some effort to cut back on meat, I usually will bake up a half dozen chicken breasts for the week to mix in my salads or to have with some brown rice, I Love chicken!

i'm usually pretty good with the sweets, but when I do I definitely over indulge, when i was in the sandbox we would get sent cases of thin mints, a sleeve a couple times a day can't be that bad?? yea right! 



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You dont have to get rid of the meats from your diet, just keep them to about 6-8 oz per serving and switch to grass fed instead of grain fed. Grain fed animals are missing the omega3 fatty acids but instead are pumped full of omega6 fatty acids, which is basicly a preservative and causes inflamation. Free range or grass feed animals(beef,poultry,lamb,venison,elk) are really high in omega 3 fatty acids which are a anti-inflamatory. Draw back is, free range does cost a bit more. Hope this helps

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Bull - 2013-02-07 3:08 AM

If you we're on the America in Haiti, there is a very good possibility that we bumped in to one another in a passageway! Did you ever go into CDC, Strike Ops or Flag Plot? If you did we probably met. That's where I worked. Rick


We must have run into each other. I was the comms officer for the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group. The Navy bubbas took me all over - not sure of the names. But I do know that I was up in the comms room and in the area to install satellite antennas.

Maybe you were the Chief that smoked the poor sailor who at the bottom of the stairs who unfortunately broke serious protocol when he went down at the same time I went up and we passed in the middle. Never have seen a more intense chewing. Made feel sorry for the kid.

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dpg31 - 2013-02-07 6:42 PM

You dont have to get rid of the meats from your diet, just keep them to about 6-8 oz per serving and switch to grass fed instead of grain fed. Grain fed animals are missing the omega3 fatty acids but instead are pumped full of omega6 fatty acids, which is basicly a preservative and causes inflamation. Free range or grass feed animals(beef,poultry,lamb,venison,elk) are really high in omega 3 fatty acids which are a anti-inflamatory. Draw back is, free range does cost a bit more. Hope this helps

Thanks Patrick, that does help. I guess I just need to get out to Montana and do some elk hunting to fill up the freezer!

I will be looking for the free range.

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With respect to my diet - I went Paleo Light. I avoid most of the grains and processed sugars because they don't go well with me in terms of weight gain. When I stick mostly with meats and vegetables and fruits I burn fat like crazy.

An example. When I was supporting the NJ National Guard during Hurricane Sandy i ate a lot of junk. There seems to be a Dunkin Donuts on every steet corner in NJ. There were donuts everywhere and I love donuts. Anyway, I went from 174 up to 183ish. When I got back home I got back with my good diet on the 1st of December. I'm now at 163 and waist below 33".

I found the secret is find what works for your body and then do that. It takes some experimentation. But once it is dialed in it is golden. No one plan works for everybody - find waht works for you.

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2013-02-07 6:11 PM
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If you were the comms officer, I'm sure we crossed paths. Small world, isn't it?

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sundevil87 - 2013-02-07 6:52 PMWith respect to my diet - I went Paleo Light. I avoid most of the grains and processed sugars because they don't go well with me in terms of weight gain. When I stick mostly with meats and vegetables and fruits I burn fat like crazy.An example. When I was supporting the NJ National Guard during Hurricane Sandy i ate a lot of junk. There seems to be a Dunkin Donuts on every steet corner in NJ. There were donuts everywhere and I love donuts. Anyway, I went from 174 up to 183ish. When I got back home I got back with my good diet on the 1st of December. I'm now at 163 and waist below 33".I found the secret is find what works for your body and then do that. It takes some experimentation. But once it is dialed in it is golden. No one plan works for everybody - find waht works for you.Thom
True, no one plan works for everybody. Find what works. I didn't cut out meats completely, just limit my daily intake to 4 - 6 ounces lean meat. I also eat plenty of nuts, fish and legumes.
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Thanks I will keep working at it and finds what works, I have a pretty good idea what doesn't work! Definitely some great places to start.

Thom, I know what you mean about DD, they are a food group up here in the NE.

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Hi,

Glad to see new members, especially those who are training for sprint distances. You guys are are serious about eating, something I should start thinking about . Never had problems with weight and still can eat whatever I want as long as I exercise, but I know it won't last forever.  Last summer I fell victim to an aggressive marketing of Visalus protein shakes. Somehow they convinced me that I need a total body makeover, got my CC# and started sending big box every 3-4 weeks. To consume this amount I should have replace all meals with protein shakes, which was completely out of question, because I love to eat! Canceling shipments was not easy, finally they stopped but not until I had 6 large bags of protein. So this is what I'm having for lunch since then, it is too expensive to throw away and at the rate I'm going, it will last till next fall. Cautionary taleSmile

Question: why it is so hard to swallow water while running? Last night I was doing intervals on treadmill and tried to sip water while on slow pace, but the throat felt constricted. I noticed the same thing last year during the races, when I had completely stop to get a drink while other people emptied their cups while moving. Is there a secret to it or just matter of practice?

Snow shoveling workouts this weekend in Northeast!

2013-02-08 8:17 AM
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Bike WOD: fluid trainer, 15 min. warmup 12x 2min low gear(52,11)seated climbs 50-60rpm with 60sec. recovery. zone 5 HR... 15min cool down zone 1 HR
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Recovery week complete..... Now for base period 2. All is going well so far!!!

Hey Thom, I saw Boulder 70.3 already sold out.

How is everyone's training going?



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This has been a good week for me. Working towards mynfirst tri next month. I feel im getting stronger every day. Finally broke the 7 minute mark yesterday in 250 m. I know to some tjat doesn't sound like much but it was a brick wall i just couldn't seem to get over. I felt so good i wanted to keep swimming but i had to go to work. Today i did a 15 mile bike ride, my average speed 13.9 on a reletively hilly course (as hilly as i can get here in eastern NC anyhow). Could have gone another 15 miles i think no problems. I'm hoping i don't peak oo soon. I'm trying real hard to make the best use of the limited amount of time i have.
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Good job Senior Chief. Everybody starts somewhere in the swim especially. I remember back a few years ago when I started to dream about this journey. I felt like a 1.2 mile swim was something I might never achieve. Well, I finally made it and have even improved with my most challenging workout this past week which was a 3000 yard ladder workout. Somethin I never thought was possible.

It sounds like you have plenty of time to get where you want to be Keep it up!

By the way, I failed to mention that I am also prior military. Not realizing how many we have in the group it feels good to be in great company. I did 10 years in the submarine force. Got out as MM1 and served on a diesel electric and 688-I class submarines. Spent most of my career in Point Loma, CA.

 

 

Bull - 2013-02-09 2:49 PM This has been a good week for me. Working towards mynfirst tri next month. I feel im getting stronger every day. Finally broke the 7 minute mark yesterday in 250 m. I know to some tjat doesn't sound like much but it was a brick wall i just couldn't seem to get over. I felt so good i wanted to keep swimming but i had to go to work. Today i did a 15 mile bike ride, my average speed 13.9 on a reletively hilly course (as hilly as i can get here in eastern NC anyhow). Could have gone another 15 miles i think no problems. I'm hoping i don't peak oo soon. I'm trying real hard to make the best use of the limited amount of time i have.

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jmac5032 - 2013-02-09 12:15 PM

Hey Thom, I saw Boulder 70.3 already sold out.



Boulder is a pretty popular race and sells out fairly quickly every year - like nearly every Ironman event - whether 70.3 events or 140.6 events.

The difficulty with IM - is if you are interested in doing one - you need to know a year ahead and then you have to sit at the computer the exact minute the race opens for registration and start hitting enter. They are expensive and even more so if you don't get in on the general registration and have to go the Ford Foundation route (a staggering 1200+ dollars - but at least you can deduct 1/2 of the price over your taxes )

Looking forward to the race in August.

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Bull - 2013-02-09 2:49 PM

Finally broke the 7 minute mark yesterday in 250 m. I know to some tjat doesn't sound like much but it was a brick wall i just couldn't seem to get over. I felt so good i wanted to keep swimming but i had to go to work. Today i did a 15 mile bike ride, my average speed 13.9 on a reletively hilly course (as hilly as i can get here in eastern NC anyhow). Could have gone another 15 miles i think no problems. I'm hoping i don't peak oo soon. I'm trying real hard to make the best use of the limited amount of time i have.


The great thing about triathlon - is that we all compete against ourselves. You can see how you against others - even the pros - but for the majority of us, it is about challenging ourselves.

Times are relative. Your time might not compare well against another athlete's - but how does it compare against your last time? We are all chasing the personal best (PB).

I think I am on pretty solid ground stating that nobody on this board (all of BT) is challenging Craig Alexander - or Chrissie Wellington (man or woman) any time soon.

So - all that to say - good job. Be proud of what you've accomplished today. In March - when you finish that Tri - you'll be even more psyched.

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Thom, I'm from Colorado.


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Well last week was nearly a complete bust. After being sick and not training for the first part of the week, my work week got in the way as well. So very light on the training. Such is the life of an working age group athlete.

However, today was a good day. I did an awesome run called an SSM (Slow-steady marathon pace) run in Bobby McGee parlance. This run has a series of interval times (the variety is based on which SSM, e.g. SSM1, SSM2 etc that you are doing) that you do at the pace you plan to run a marathon at.

While I plan on a 4 hour marathon leg of the Napa Full Distance race - which is roughly a 9min/mi pace - I know from my experience at AZIM, that I will need to be in better than 9'/mi pace in order to complete in my goal time. That is because of the fatigue I experienced toward the later part of my marathon in AZ caused me to slow down below my goal pace and to take more walk breaks than I planned.

For this run, I ran 6 x 15' SSM intervals. I wanted to ensure that I did my intervals at an average of 8'/mi pace. This course was an out and back run, with the front half being on a gradual downhill and the return half of the course uphill (and against the wind no less). So, knowing that I could not do a negative split - I set to have a consistent effort in terms of RPE. That meant a faster 1st three legs with a corresponding slower 2 set of three - hoping that the average came out to 8'/mi. To check how I did I can compare the results of my run metrics:

1st interval: HR: 150; Cadence: 90; Pace: 07:52
4th interval: HR: 162; Cadence: 91; Pace: 08:12

2nd: HR: 153; Cadence: 91; Pace: 07:48
5th: HR: 160; Cadence: 90; Pace: 08:21

3rd: HR: 154; Cadence: 91; Pace: 07:39
6th: HR: 159: Cadence: 90; Pace: 08:34

From the results I could have pushed the pace harder on the first legs - but I am not sure I would have had the gas in the tank to do as well on the way back. From an RPE perspective, I felt like I had similar RPE on the way out, as I did on the way back.

I included the cadence information to let you know that many references and articles will state that a cadence of 180 steps per minute is optimum. Many running technique workouts will include work on developing a consistent cadence.

After not having trained much all week, this was a good run. In addition to good pace work - I also put 16 miles on my legs, which I needed.

I am not sure if my thought process above would make sense to a bonifide Coach - but to me it seems logical.

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Updated group list - 9 Feb..

sundevil87 (Thom) - Colorado
Mountaindan (Dan)- Maine
2rat (Art) - Philippines
Acid Rain (Alex) - Australia
Armandova (Armando) - Connecticut
Bluewrx (Rob) - Colorado
bree4bryce (Bree)
bwetherbee (Brad) - Texas
eddiemerk (Ed)
Tuck2006 (Jason) - Colorado
jmac5032 (Jeff) - Colorado
tukutuku (Jurga) - Ohio
dpg31 (Patrick) - North Carolina
xrn20 (Dan) - Mudgee, Australia
bull (Rick) - North Carolina
Jameson477 (Patrick) - Kansas, via the Middle East
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sundevil87 - 2013-02-09 9:10 PM Well last week was nearly a complete bust. After being sick and not training for the first part of the week, my work week got in the way as well. So very light on the training. Such is the life of an working age group athlete. However, today was a good day. I did an awesome run called an SSM (Slow-steady marathon pace) run in Bobby McGee parlance. This run has a series of interval times (the variety is based on which SSM, e.g. SSM1, SSM2 etc that you are doing) that you do at the pace you plan to run a marathon at. While I plan on a 4 hour marathon leg of the Napa Full Distance race - which is roughly a 9min/mi pace - I know from my experience at AZIM, that I will need to be in better than 9'/mi pace in order to complete in my goal time. That is because of the fatigue I experienced toward the later part of my marathon in AZ caused me to slow down below my goal pace and to take more walk breaks than I planned. For this run, I ran 6 x 15' SSM intervals. I wanted to ensure that I did my intervals at an average of 8'/mi pace. This course was an out and back run, with the front half being on a gradual downhill and the return half of the course uphill (and against the wind no less). So, knowing that I could not do a negative split - I set to have a consistent effort in terms of RPE. That meant a faster 1st three legs with a corresponding slower 2 set of three - hoping that the average came out to 8'/mi. To check how I did I can compare the results of my run metrics: 1st interval: HR: 150; Cadence: 90; Pace: 07:52 4th interval: HR: 162; Cadence: 91; Pace: 08:12 2nd: HR: 153; Cadence: 91; Pace: 07:48 5th: HR: 160; Cadence: 90; Pace: 08:21 3rd: HR: 154; Cadence: 91; Pace: 07:39 6th: HR: 159: Cadence: 90; Pace: 08:34 From the results I could have pushed the pace harder on the first legs - but I am not sure I would have had the gas in the tank to do as well on the way back. From an RPE perspective, I felt like I had similar RPE on the way out, as I did on the way back. I included the cadence information to let you know that many references and articles will state that a cadence of 180 steps per minute is optimum. Many running technique workouts will include work on developing a consistent cadence. After not having trained much all week, this was a good run. In addition to good pace work - I also put 16 miles on my legs, which I needed. I am not sure if my thought process above would make sense to a bonifide Coach - but to me it seems logical. Thom

 

Man that was a great workout! I didn't quite understand it until I looked at your splits to see how you did it (saw the short recovery between repeats) but that looks challenging...I am putting that in my memory bank for later.

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Thom, I just thought to ask: What type of nutrition (water also) do you take on a long run of 12-16 miles??

 

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jmac5032 - 2013-02-09 7:17 PM

Good job Senior Chief. Everybody starts somewhere in the swim especially. I remember back a few years ago when I started to dream about this journey. I felt like a 1.2 mile swim was something I might never achieve. Well, I finally made it and have even improved with my most challenging workout this past week which was a 3000 yard ladder workout. Somethin I never thought was possible.

It sounds like you have plenty of time to get where you want to be Keep it up!

By the way, I failed to mention that I am also prior military. Not realizing how many we have in the group it feels good to be in great company. I did 10 years in the submarine force. Got out as MM1 and served on a diesel electric and 688-I class submarines. Spent most of my career in Point Loma, CA.

 

 

Bull - 2013-02-09 2:49 PM This has been a good week for me. Working towards mynfirst tri next month. I feel im getting stronger every day. Finally broke the 7 minute mark yesterday in 250 m. I know to some tjat doesn't sound like much but it was a brick wall i just couldn't seem to get over. I felt so good i wanted to keep swimming but i had to go to work. Today i did a 15 mile bike ride, my average speed 13.9 on a reletively hilly course (as hilly as i can get here in eastern NC anyhow). Could have gone another 15 miles i think no problems. I'm hoping i don't peak oo soon. I'm trying real hard to make the best use of the limited amount of time i have.

Thanks.   The biggest obstacle I have to training is finding the time for long workouts. I don't have set hours for my job, I may work 4 hours one day, the next think I'll get off around three and next thing I know i'm on a plane to Detroit.  Then I have an elderly father eith some health issues as well as both my inlaws.  I try to make the best of the time I have available when it comes available.  I coouldn't spend much time on those ships that sink on purpose, the ones that struggle to stay afloat were hard enough to deal with. Once I cross-decked for an exercise to the USS Lipscombe for six weeks.  I was never so glad to get back to my flat-top, with room and creature comforts.



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Bull - 2013-02-06 10:15 AM

... I topped out at over 350 pounds on the scales......  Today I'm a svelt 176 pounds, take absolutely no presecription meds and probably in the best shape I've been in at least 30 years. ... So for over a year now I've been getting up at 4AM either riding my bike and/or running to the gym, doing some weight training and jogging or biking back, then off to work.  ......

 

Wow, it is stories like yours that make reflect on my own struggles.  Thanks for sharing and great to have you in the group, 

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Jameson477 - 2013-02-06 11:32 PM

Towards the end of most of my swims one of my feet (I think it is my left) will seize (for lack of a better term) making kicking fairly painful.  In order to get it to release I have to massage my calf and strech my big toe.   Curious if anyone else has had this issue and how to deal with it. 

--Patrick

 

Patrick, I have had something similar happen fairly recently.  It was on the day I had swam my longest, non-stop.   I attributed to being dehydrated as I did not have any liquids before or during the swim.  My right calf is the first one to go when I don't hydrate or take enough electrolytes.  Last year, while training for a marathon, I really struggled running past 3 hrs. even though, I was drinking and taking in calories.  I then discovered SaltSticks and the problem was solved.  I now take them for workouts that are longer than 60 minutes.   I will also take them now before my long swims.   Something to consider. 

 

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tukutuku - 2013-02-08 4:20 AM

Snow shoveling workouts this weekend in Northeast!

 

I was supposed to do my long run yesterday.  After 7hrs of clearing snow, I called it a replacement workout.  

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Bull - 2013-02-09 3:49 PM This has been a good week for me. Working towards mynfirst tri next month. I feel im getting stronger every day. Finally broke the 7 minute mark yesterday in 250 m. I know to some tjat doesn't sound like much but it was a brick wall i just couldn't seem to get over. .....

last year, when I started doing the sprints, I enjoyed seeing my times drop.  Yes, I like to see how I compared to others but the field was so different on each race that it really did not matter much.  Seeing PB's was my motivator after my first race.

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