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 2011-04-18 9:13 AM in reply to: #3452120 |
Master  2238    Dallas |  Subject: RE: Ironman Texasg_shotts - 2011-04-18 8:44 AM I agree. It's wider than az or kona for that matter. If they sneak in wave starts the stock price will drop on tis race like enron. I think imky is the only us race that doesn't sell out and it's largely bc of the swimstart. hopefully....if Keith is reading...they will just create a gap instead of waves, like the pros used to get (15 yards) before they moved to a separate wave. It's really to my advantage for waves but I don't think good for the race if they do it.IMKY does sell out, it just takes a little longer. IMSG is only three weeks away. It has a mass start and it's not sold out. My concern with the swim isn't the start; ther's pleanty of room near the bridge. What I keep wondering about is funneling everyone into the waterway canal for the last third of the swim. In most places, it's about 50-feet wide. I suspect that won't be a problem for the people at the front or back of the pack....but expect the people in the middle could be in for a lot of contact. By that time, the "pack" is no wider than two or three people. It really thins out after the turnaround. Trust me, that should be the least of your worries. Also, about St George, people doesn't want to race in there simply because it is by far the toughest course in North America, bike and run accumulated climbs are unreal. You're right, Louisville sells out, but only after six months. That will also happen with this race if they break the swim into pieces. |
| 2011-04-18 9:19 AM in reply to: #3451850 |
| Veteran 147 TEXAS | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas fattyfatfat - 2011-04-18 6:17 AM se7930 - 2011-04-17 5:46 PM Personally, I dont like the idea of wave swim starts .... One of the things that make it really cool is that mass start of 2000+ people churning up the water. As a first time IM participant, I was kinda looking forward to being a part of that mayhem. Thats just my .02 X2! and i agree there's plenty of room for it. edit.. just saw tj's comments above... agree on kentucky. i never even considered it simply because of the start. and this whole issue, if true, of people relying on a freaking wetsuit is amazing, dumb and dangerous. if you think you might need it to complete the swim then sign up for 2012 on friday stay on the bank on saturday.
Well said...re Friday 'stay on the bank' |
| 2011-04-18 9:30 AM in reply to: #2944040 |
Veteran 290 D/FW, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas As much as the mass start concerns me... I'll deal with it-- because I want the clock at the finish line to read my true time- the time from when the gun goes off to when I cross that finish line. I am so tired of finishes with clock times that read as much as an hour additional due to a late wave start. It's a beatdown. If the pro's are going to start ahead of us than they should either have a separate clock or they just need to suck it up without preferential treatment, get in the front and they shouldn't have to worry about age groupers chasing them down. (With the exception of TJ, who will probably be first out of the water, anyway.)  |
| 2011-04-18 9:59 AM in reply to: #2944040 |
Veteran 266 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas
Pros go off 15 minutes earlier (now 30 I think) - I think this is the standard in every Ironman event. After the pros start finishing (at about hour 10 or so) they reset the finish clock so it is in sync with the age groupers. I don't think there is an issue with the finish - I am a mid-packer - At St. George last year I think I finished the swim like right at 1000 of 2000 swimmers and we were very spread out - I rememeber not many people around me going up the boat ramp. It's an Ironman - mass start - if it's crowded in the waterway we will deal with it. Swim to you openings and enjoy it. The Swim in St. George was my favorite part (mainly since there were no assents, except for the boat ramp at the end).... Edited by jls42 2011-04-18 10:01 AM |
| 2011-04-18 10:15 AM in reply to: #3452327 |
Veteran 290 D/FW, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas jls42 - 2011-04-18 9:59 AM After the pros start finishing (at about hour 10 or so) they reset the finish clock so it is in sync with the age groupers. That sounds great! |
| 2011-04-18 10:59 AM in reply to: #3452198 |
Elite 3088 Austin, TX Gold member | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas evillarroel - 2011-04-18 9:13 AM By that time, the "pack" is no wider than two or three people. It really thins out after the turnaround. Trust me, that should be the least of your worries. I disagree. I've done two IMs so far: IMLP and IMAZ. In 2006 at IMLP, 2183 people started the swim. I finished in 1:11 and there were just under 1000 people out of the water in front of me. WTC changed the results search page, so I may have missed a handful, but of the 978 people that came out of the water in front of me, I counted only 131 of them that finished in under an hour. That means over 800 people came out of the water in an 11-minute span. Break it down further: 72 people per minute, 1.2 people per second coming out of the water. To put that in easy to visualize terms: the people that finished in that time frame were doing about 1:45/100m. Combine that pace with the rate of swimmers exiting the water and it means in the last 25 meters of the swim, you had about 31 people. You think 31 people are going to fit in a 25 meter pool and stay only 2-3 people wide? The rate of people exiting the water was the average for the entire 11 minutes before I came out of the water. I did that because it was easy to spot swim times under an hour in the results. The rate was almost certainly lower than that at the 1-hour mark and likely quite a bit higher than that when I actually exited the water. Also, since I was just ahead of the middle of the pack, the rate probably increased even more just behind me and stayed pretty close to this level for at least another 15 minutes or so. Does all that mean the waterway is going to be a problem? Not necessarily, I've never seen it in person. I just wanted to point out that the pack is far more than 2-3 people wide unless you're at one of the pointy ends. |
| 2011-04-18 11:11 AM in reply to: #3452510 |
Champion 6973  marietta | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dgunthert - 2011-04-18 11:59 AM ....WTC changed the results search page....
i noticed that last week too. here is the old one.
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| 2011-04-18 12:03 PM in reply to: #3452510 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dgunthert - 2011-04-18 10:59 AM evillarroel - 2011-04-18 9:13 AM By that time, the "pack" is no wider than two or three people. It really thins out after the turnaround. Trust me, that should be the least of your worries. I disagree. I've done two IMs so far: IMLP and IMAZ. In 2006 at IMLP, 2183 people started the swim. I finished in 1:11 and there were just under 1000 people out of the water in front of me. WTC changed the results search page, so I may have missed a handful, but of the 978 people that came out of the water in front of me, I counted only 131 of them that finished in under an hour. That means over 800 people came out of the water in an 11-minute span. Break it down further: 72 people per minute, 1.2 people per second coming out of the water. To put that in easy to visualize terms: the people that finished in that time frame were doing about 1:45/100m. Combine that pace with the rate of swimmers exiting the water and it means in the last 25 meters of the swim, you had about 31 people. You think 31 people are going to fit in a 25 meter pool and stay only 2-3 people wide? The rate of people exiting the water was the average for the entire 11 minutes before I came out of the water. I did that because it was easy to spot swim times under an hour in the results. The rate was almost certainly lower than that at the 1-hour mark and likely quite a bit higher than that when I actually exited the water. Also, since I was just ahead of the middle of the pack, the rate probably increased even more just behind me and stayed pretty close to this level for at least another 15 minutes or so. Does all that mean the waterway is going to be a problem? Not necessarily, I've never seen it in person. I just wanted to point out that the pack is far more than 2-3 people wide unless you're at one of the pointy ends. What is this 'group' or 'pack' you speak of in the swim? haha just kidding. Seriously though, the waterway is wide enough for 2 trolley boats to pass each other comfortably. I don't think there will be any real issue in that last .5 mile. I measured a few spots via google earth and its anywhere from 43 ft at the narrowest (going under grogans mill) to 80 feet wide. No worries. |
| 2011-04-18 12:59 PM in reply to: #3452670 |
Veteran 266 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas tjfry - 2011-04-18 12:03 PM dgunthert - 2011-04-18 10:59 AM evillarroel - 2011-04-18 9:13 AM By that time, the "pack" is no wider than two or three people. It really thins out after the turnaround. Trust me, that should be the least of your worries. What is this 'group' or 'pack' you speak of in the swim? haha just kidding. Seriously though, the waterway is wide enough for 2 trolley boats to pass each other comfortably. I don't think there will be any real issue in that last .5 mile. I measured a few spots via google earth and its anywhere from 43 ft at the narrowest (going under grogans mill) to 80 feet wide. No worries.
Yes but can we comfortably swim at least 2 wide in between those trolly boats or will we need to go under them if we are any wider???
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| 2011-04-18 1:18 PM in reply to: #3452850 |
Elite 3088 Austin, TX Gold member | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas jls42 - 2011-04-18 12:59 PM Yes but can we comfortably swim at least 2 wide in between those trolly boats or will we need to go under them if we are any wider??? Clearly you draft off the one that's going in your direction. |
| 2011-04-18 1:36 PM in reply to: #3452906 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dgunthert - 2011-04-18 2:18 PM jls42 - 2011-04-18 12:59 PM Yes but can we comfortably swim at least 2 wide in between those trolly boats or will we need to go under them if we are any wider??? Clearly you draft off the one that's going in your direction. cleary you hang on to the one going in your direction. |
| 2011-04-18 3:17 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
| 40 | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas the waterway is kinda shallow in some parts.. i plan on walking the last .4 miles..  |
| 2011-04-18 3:20 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Extreme Veteran 565 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas I caught some headlines about fires all over Texas...any of those in The Woodlands area? Any air quality issues? I think there were fire-related air quality issues at IM Canada years ago...hopefully that's not an issue for us in 30-something days from now. |
| 2011-04-18 4:06 PM in reply to: #3453233 |
Veteran 266 Kingwood, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dhopman - 2011-04-18 3:20 PM I caught some headlines about fires all over Texas...any of those in The Woodlands area? Any air quality issues? I think there were fire-related air quality issues at IM Canada years ago...hopefully that's not an issue for us in 30-something days from now. No issues yet - need rain though - we are just a cigarette butt away from blazes in our area. On my ride over the weekend I did see at least on area that got burnt.
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| 2011-04-18 4:19 PM in reply to: #3453233 |
| Veteran 147 TEXAS | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dhopman - 2011-04-18 3:20 PM I caught some headlines about fires all over Texas...any of those in The Woodlands area? Any air quality issues? I think there were fire-related air quality issues at IM Canada years ago...hopefully that's not an issue for us in 30-something days from now. no fires in west Texas and hill country |
| 2011-04-19 6:53 AM in reply to: #3452510 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dgunthert - 2011-04-18 10:59 AM evillarroel - 2011-04-18 9:13 AM By that time, the "pack" is no wider than two or three people. It really thins out after the turnaround. Trust me, that should be the least of your worries. I disagree. I've done two IMs so far: IMLP and IMAZ. In 2006 at IMLP, 2183 people started the swim. I finished in 1:11 and there were just under 1000 people out of the water in front of me. WTC changed the results search page, so I may have missed a handful, but of the 978 people that came out of the water in front of me, I counted only 131 of them that finished in under an hour. That means over 800 people came out of the water in an 11-minute span. Break it down further: 72 people per minute, 1.2 people per second coming out of the water. To put that in easy to visualize terms: the people that finished in that time frame were doing about 1:45/100m. Combine that pace with the rate of swimmers exiting the water and it means in the last 25 meters of the swim, you had about 31 people. You think 31 people are going to fit in a 25 meter pool and stay only 2-3 people wide? The rate of people exiting the water was the average for the entire 11 minutes before I came out of the water. I did that because it was easy to spot swim times under an hour in the results. The rate was almost certainly lower than that at the 1-hour mark and likely quite a bit higher than that when I actually exited the water. Also, since I was just ahead of the middle of the pack, the rate probably increased even more just behind me and stayed pretty close to this level for at least another 15 minutes or so. Does all that mean the waterway is going to be a problem? Not necessarily, I've never seen it in person. I just wanted to point out that the pack is far more than 2-3 people wide unless you're at one of the pointy ends.
I did IMFL last year. My swim was 1:05 so top 20% out of the water. I thought it thinned out well after the carnage of the first 800 meters or so. Add to the fact that wetsuits will not be legal at IMTX and the swim course will get thinned out even more. Wetsuits narrow the gap between stronger and weaker swimmers and frankly most triathletes aren't good swimmers. I also suspect because of the mass start and no wetsuits that the weaker swimmers will stay further back at the start so things might naturally thin out early. |
| 2011-04-19 8:44 AM in reply to: #3452951 |
Extreme Veteran 479 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas fattyfatfat - 2011-04-18 1:36 PM dgunthert - 2011-04-18 2:18 PM jls42 - 2011-04-18 12:59 PM Yes but can we comfortably swim at least 2 wide in between those trolly boats or will we need to go under them if we are any wider??? Clearly you draft off the one that's going in your direction. cleary you hang on to the one going in your direction. I would suggest body surfing off TJ's wake. The trolley boats will be going much slower. |
| 2011-04-19 9:19 AM in reply to: #3454367 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas hathecr - 2011-04-19 8:44 AM fattyfatfat - 2011-04-18 1:36 PM dgunthert - 2011-04-18 2:18 PM jls42 - 2011-04-18 12:59 PM Yes but can we comfortably swim at least 2 wide in between those trolly boats or will we need to go under them if we are any wider??? Clearly you draft off the one that's going in your direction. cleary you hang on to the one going in your direction. I would suggest body surfing off TJ's wake. The trolley boats will be going much slower. haha! I will attach a ski rope to my waist if anyone is interested! |
| 2011-04-19 9:43 AM in reply to: #3454457 |
| 40 | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas tjfry - 2011-04-19 9:19 AM hathecr - 2011-04-19 8:44 AM fattyfatfat - 2011-04-18 1:36 PM dgunthert - 2011-04-18 2:18 PM jls42 - 2011-04-18 12:59 PM Yes but can we comfortably swim at least 2 wide in between those trolly boats or will we need to go under them if we are any wider??? Clearly you draft off the one that's going in your direction. cleary you hang on to the one going in your direction. I would suggest body surfing off TJ's wake. The trolley boats will be going much slower. haha! I will attach a ski rope to my waist if anyone is interested! dibs! |
| 2011-04-19 2:36 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
| Master 1468 Montgomery, Tx | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas |
| 2011-04-19 2:44 PM in reply to: #2944040 |
Veteran 290 D/FW, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas Just got back from a 10k run. 90 degrees and 18mph winds. |
| 2011-04-19 2:46 PM in reply to: #3455172 |
Expert 630 Frisco TX (DFW area) | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas I was planning on doing Windhaven Repeats but just got a tornado warning on my computer - still might head out and see what happens |
| 2011-04-19 3:45 PM in reply to: #3455178 |
Veteran 290 D/FW, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas gleser - 2011-04-19 2:46 PM I was planning on doing Windhaven Repeats but just got a tornado warning on my computer - still might head out and see what happens That could be a fantastic tail wind! |
| 2011-04-19 4:14 PM in reply to: #3455300 |
Pro 4174 Keller, Texas | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas spuphal - 2011-04-19 3:45 PM gleser - 2011-04-19 2:46 PM I was planning on doing Windhaven Repeats but just got a tornado warning on my computer - still might head out and see what happens That could be a fantastic tail wind!Bad enought my regular pool is closed for the week for maintenance, my alternate pool only has lap hours starting at 7:45-9. If there are storms the pool will be closed  |
| 2011-04-19 10:13 PM in reply to: #3453233 |
Regular 240 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Texas dhopman - 2011-04-18 3:20 PMI caught some headlines about fires all over Texas...any of those in The Woodlands area? Any air quality issues? I think there were fire-related air quality issues at IM Canada years ago...hopefully that's not an issue for us in 30-something days from now. Just had a fire spread up in Montgomery County near 1488. That is around the IM coarse area. I just caught this on the local news cast tonight. Lots of potential for more fires up that way, due to the heat, lack of rain and heavy brush.Just a heads up since you asked. |
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