brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! (Page 77)

Meulen - 2010-07-18 5:19 PM Hey guys, and gal! I had a really goodtime this weekend. Just got back. I did ok in the the tri. I ended up swimming no wetsuit. I finished in 44 minutes on the swim. Not fast but I made it and didn't have to stop much at all. I had a really good bike. I avg 21.6 mph on a course that was a little longer than expected 26 miles and had a l it more hills than they said. I'll cover all that when I download the data and write the race report. I'm really sorry to hear about Tims issues. I actually had the same problem. I did 2 gels and had 40 oz of Gatorade on the bike. When I got to the run my quads locked by mile 1. I managed to run/walk/massage/run and salvage a 10k under an hour. So I beat all my goals but the run and my secret goal of finishing under 3 hours. I was 21st in my ag and finished in 3:04

shmeeg - 2010-07-18 5:41 PM Nice work Brian!  And an early congrats to David, looks like he did well by the tracker data!

brick94513 - 2010-07-18 11:14 PM



Nice job Brian.  Now that you got the first one your under belt, you will be stepping up to the HIM in no time!

Meulen - 2010-07-19 6:32 AM 

1. When I got out the water the volunteers were yelling times. They said 37 minutes when I got out. My pace says 2:47/100 which adds up to 37, but my time says 44 minutes????? 2. Why the heck am I cramping like this? I don't do that in my bricks, and I cramped this way in the Xterra too on the run. I stay hydrated and my fitness should be there. I need help, what is going on? I cramp on the last part of the swim in my toes and I cramp in my quads or hamstrings on the run??? HELP!!

shmeeg - 2010-07-19 11:58 AM



Was the transition mat not right there when you got out of the water?  Did you have a mile to run to the transition area?  That's the only reason I could think of it adding time like that...or it added T1 to the swim total somehow?  Strange.

Maybe you're going too hard on the bike?  Do you wear a HR monitor while racing?  If you're killing yourself to average a certain mph, you would probably benefit by slowing it down a little on the bike and feeling stronger on the run.

shmeeg - 2010-07-19 12:15 PM

Hm.  Well, it sounds like either overexertion or dehydration symptoms to me, but I'm definitely no doctor.  The only time I ever cramp up is from heat exhaustion, so I don't have enough experience w/ it to give you the answer.   What about salt/electrolytes?  Do you just drink water on the bike? 

shmeeg - 2010-07-19 12:27 PM

Yeah, that is weird.  Maybe you're just a freak of nature

brick94513 - 2010-07-17 9:41 AM

I don't know what happened, but my body failed me yesterday!  I have never experienced cramps like I did yesterday.

At the end of the day, I had consumed about 200 ounces of water, 2 sodas, large lemonade, plus various foods and only had a scant amount of urine output.  Absolutely crazy!  I've never experienced dehydration to this magnitude (cramping, nausea, dizziness, and lightheadedness).   Even while sleeping last night, I woke to muscle spasms in my hamstrings.

Just an absolutely horrible day.  Even more frustrating, I don't know where my plan went wrong.  I hope dave has a better day than I had.  The weather is predicted to be similar.

Meulen - 2010-07-17 8:19 PM Hey guys, and gal! I had a really goodtime this weekend. Just got back. I did ok in the the tri. I ended up swimming no wetsuit. I finished in 44 minutes on the swim. Not fast but I made it and didn't have to stop much at all. I had a really good bike. I avg 21.6 mph on a course that was a little longer than expected 26 miles and had a l it more hills than they said. I'll cover all that when I download the data and write the race report. I'm really sorry to hear about Tims issues. I actually had the same problem. I did 2 gels and had 40 oz of Gatorade on the bike. When I got to the run my quads locked by mile 1. I managed to run/walk/massage/run and salvage a 10k under an hour. So I beat all my goals but the run and my secret goal of finishing under 3 hours. I was 21st in my ag and finished in 3:04

Meulen - 2010-07-19 10:29 AM hope not...might as well quit now then.

shmeeg - 2010-07-19 2:45 PM



LOL, somehow you don't strike me as a quitter

dhopman - 2010-07-19 5:57 PM Brian - congrats on your oly! Your bike split is super impressive!

Quick summary of my race: Awesome race. I accomplished both of my two big goals:
1) beat my 3 friends...which I did, with 9 minutes to spare on the second finisher and
2) finish under 6 hours...final time was 5:38. I was really happy with my swim and bike times. I did fall apart a bit on the run but I didn't totally blow it.

The longish summary...

Swim: 31:26 - I got a short warmup in about 10 minutes before my wave start...mostly to warm up the wetsuit. =) I felt really good on my swim. The water temp was warm - definitely not too hot though. The first few hundred meters was actually pretty hectic. Lots of jockeying going on. It felt like about half of my wave wanted to be in the lead for the swim. At one point I got really pissed that someone was riding my and then someone else was bumping into my hip. I decided to let it go, find some clear water, put my head down and focus on swimming. It was a bit foggy which made sighting pretty hard. The turnaround snuck up on my and I didn't take a great line. After the turnaround it was super shallow but once I got past that part, I found lots of clean water and before you know it I was on the beach.

T1: 3:56 - Nothing spectacular. The run to my rack felt long. The gravel parking lot seemed like a terrible idea. I tried to get all the sand/rocks off my feet before putting socks on.

Bike: 2:52:37 (19.5mph) - I really didn't know what to expect on the bike since the course terrain and distance aren't like any of my other bikes I've done. I thought 3 hours felt like a good goal, maybe even a little on the optimistic side. Overall, I was stoked to average 19.5 mph because I don't consider cycling a strength of mine. The first half went by pretty fast. I spent a lot of time in the aero bars, doing a lot of passing since I was in the last wave. At mile 29 my back was starting to stiffen up and I saw my girlfriend who was working an aid station. As I rode by I asked her to find me some advil for T2 when I would hopefully see her again.

At mile 37, I caught my buddy Brian (my biggest competition of my friends I was competing against) who's wave started 16 minutes before mine. We rode together for about 4-5 miles and I felt like I was pushing a slightly faster pace than him. Chalk hill comes at mile 44 and I decided I'd try to put a gap on him up that hill. I pushed up Chalk (it was even shorter than I remember it) with no problem. Then it's 10 mostly flat miles into the high school for T2.  I knew I was on pace to hit 3 hours, if not better. After the dismount line as I was running my bike into transition, I saw my girlfriend who handed me three advil (bless her heart).

T2: 3:50 - I royally screwed up here. The entrance was slightly different than it was the day before when we dropped off our run gear and it just had me all confused. I ended up running up and down the racks an extra time that I didn't need to. On my way out, I hit the port-a-potty. Without the bathroom break and extra running with the bike, I probably would have been closer to 2 minutes.

Run: 2:06:47 - I had some side stitches during mile 1, but by mile 2 I felt better and was ready to settle in for a long run. I knew I had to really blow it to not make 6 hours so that was a great feeling. At mile 4, Brian catches me and keeps on going. I started doing some serious math in my head trying to figure out how fast I needed to run to not lose more than 16 minutes from that point forward. At the turn around, I knew I was about 2 minutes behind him. It started getting REALLY hot, and my legs just didn't want to turn over. The rolling hills were brutal and I did a lot of run/walking up them. At the 10 mile mark, I told myself it was just an easy 5k to go, but my legs still didn't want to work. I started convincing myself that Brian was such a better runner than me, that I'd lost the race to him. FINALLY, I made it to the finish line, couldn't walk straight, was light-headed, thought I was going to fall over. Brian and my gf congratulate me. Then Brian tells me I won it by about 9 minutes! Apparently, he had just as much trouble with the heat as I did and started slowing down as well. VICTORY! After getting lots of food and water down, I started feeling better and was able to enjoy the finish line a bit.

It was an awesome weekend, and so much fun to spend it with a big group of friends who are also competing. This is what makes the sport so much fun. The people are amazing and so supportive. It is sad in a way because that is my last tri of the season, and I have no idea of what I want to do next season. I'm pretty sure a full ironman is out of the question though. =)

Big thanks to you guys for all your encouragement and advice along the way. You guys rock!

Meulen - 2010-07-19 3:00 PM hmmmmm...maybe not, but I'm allowed to get frustrated.

Meulen - 2010-07-19 1:00 PM hmmmmm...maybe not, but I'm allowed to get frustrated.

dhopman - 2010-07-19 3:57 PM Brian - congrats on your oly! Your bike split is super impressive!

Quick summary of my race: Awesome race. I accomplished both of my two big goals:
1) beat my 3 friends...which I did, with 9 minutes to spare on the second finisher and
2) finish under 6 hours...final time was 5:38. I was really happy with my swim and bike times. I did fall apart a bit on the run but I didn't totally blow it.

The longish summary...

kickitinok - 2010-07-19 12:06 PM

Totally shooting in the dark here, Tim, and I'm sure you know more about this than I do, but could this have been a case where your body's fluid absorption rate was slower than your sweat rate?

I get dehydrated regularly as I'm a heavy sweater. I've tried to combat it with consuming slightly more than I need to replenish, only to be disappointed and dehydrated yet again. It seems to happen way more often when the humidity is high outside - I'm convinced I absorb fluids very slowly. I need to do more research to find out how I can combat this....

Anyone have any ideas? 

shmeeg - 2010-07-19 5:52 PM

Again, congrats on a great race!  Awesome time.  Not sure what to do next?  Theres the Vegas HIM in September and Silverman in November.  Plenty left to do this season!

shmeeg - 2010-07-19 7:47 PM



Agreed.  So I'm throwing around ideas all day and thought of something.  How far apart did each wave start?  Maybe they placed you in the wrong AG start and you missed your wave, adding the additional 7 minutes?

Meulen - 2010-07-20 7:22 AM One other thought on the cramps..... At the Xterra my Hamstrings cramped, and at Evergreen it was my quads. Both cramped on the run. Most or all of my brick work is coming off my road bike. Is it possible my body is not used to running after coming off the aero position on the tri bike and/or the upright position of the MTB? Is this why I have less of a problem training than in the races?