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 2009-07-04 11:40 AM in reply to: #2261516 |
Champion  26509    Sydney |  Subject: RE: Stage 1geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:37 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:32 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:28 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:26 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:22 AM Amatuer Cycling confusion.... Please clear.... They keep talking about riders (ie Dave, just now) being on both large rings... Wouldn't that be cross chaining? I know for me as an extreme and with mid-line components, that would be near death of derailling. Am I missing something? In your Big Ring at the front... you *should* be able toride the smaller gears at the back... that's exactly how I ride 80% of the time... my friends constantly accuse me of "mashing it out" . But with my oak tree legs I can hack it out with no prob... I think maybe my legs are built for cycling... The ONLY time I ever use my small cog on front is on med-big hills. Mashing... you could be... Are you spinning your legs? Or forcing down on the pedals... do you spin around or push down/up.... Hard to tel without seeing it... but just because its a big gear it doesnt mean you are mashing.... there is more toit than that! There are times I mash... I think up/down (get to work hammies) Then there are times I spin... I think forward motion and let my toes get forward and try to think "run" it out... I mash on small declines and flats to build... I "spin" on uphills to *try* not to burn out and keep it non-aggressive.... and obviously, yes I MASH and MASH hard when the hills are short and steep... I got a climbing (seated) lesson from CG... basically its put the hand on the flats... so you can pushtraigtht against the bars as you ride if needed.. Bend in the elbows, core locked on.,... then turn the legs over... alway go 5 more strokes than you think you need over the crest.. ost people stop putting the effort in just before they should so you gain time there... |
| 2009-07-04 11:44 AM in reply to: #2261517 |
Elite 4148   Utah | Subject: RE: Stage 1 kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:38 AM Wow - Astana are all over it! It's a stacked pack for sure.... Debate on possible best built team ever.... |
| 2009-07-04 11:45 AM in reply to: #2261528 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:44 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:38 AM Wow - Astana are all over it! It's a stacked pack for sure....
Amazing on paper.... Interesting to see how they work as a unit.... |
| 2009-07-04 11:53 AM in reply to: #2261522 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Stage 1 kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:40 PM Did CG show you how to chew the bars when you max out on a climb?geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:37 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:32 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:28 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:26 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:22 AM Amatuer Cycling confusion.... Please clear.... They keep talking about riders (ie Dave, just now) being on both large rings... Wouldn't that be cross chaining? I know for me as an extreme and with mid-line components, that would be near death of derailling. Am I missing something? In your Big Ring at the front... you *should* be able toride the smaller gears at the back... that's exactly how I ride 80% of the time... my friends constantly accuse me of "mashing it out" . But with my oak tree legs I can hack it out with no prob... I think maybe my legs are built for cycling... The ONLY time I ever use my small cog on front is on med-big hills. Mashing... you could be... Are you spinning your legs? Or forcing down on the pedals... do you spin around or push down/up.... Hard to tel without seeing it... but just because its a big gear it doesnt mean you are mashing.... there is more toit than that! There are times I mash... I think up/down (get to work hammies) Then there are times I spin... I think forward motion and let my toes get forward and try to think "run" it out... I mash on small declines and flats to build... I "spin" on uphills to *try* not to burn out and keep it non-aggressive.... and obviously, yes I MASH and MASH hard when the hills are short and steep... I got a climbing (seated) lesson from CG... basically its put the hand on the flats... so you can pushtraigtht against the bars as you ride if needed.. Bend in the elbows, core locked on.,... then turn the legs over... alway go 5 more strokes than you think you need over the crest.. ost people stop putting the effort in just before they should so you gain time there... |
| 2009-07-04 11:53 AM in reply to: #2261530 |
Elite 4148 Utah | Subject: RE: Stage 1 kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:45 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:44 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:38 AM Wow - Astana are all over it! It's a stacked pack for sure....
Amazing on paper.... Interesting to see how they work as a unit.... As long as they support one another and don't get too aggressive amongst one another, it should be a success. |
| 2009-07-04 11:54 AM in reply to: #2261538 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:53 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:40 PM Did CG show you how to chew the bars when you max out on a climb?geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:37 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:32 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:28 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:26 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:22 AM Amatuer Cycling confusion.... Please clear.... They keep talking about riders (ie Dave, just now) being on both large rings... Wouldn't that be cross chaining? I know for me as an extreme and with mid-line components, that would be near death of derailling. Am I missing something? In your Big Ring at the front... you *should* be able toride the smaller gears at the back... that's exactly how I ride 80% of the time... my friends constantly accuse me of "mashing it out" . But with my oak tree legs I can hack it out with no prob... I think maybe my legs are built for cycling... The ONLY time I ever use my small cog on front is on med-big hills. Mashing... you could be... Are you spinning your legs? Or forcing down on the pedals... do you spin around or push down/up.... Hard to tel without seeing it... but just because its a big gear it doesnt mean you are mashing.... there is more toit than that! There are times I mash... I think up/down (get to work hammies) Then there are times I spin... I think forward motion and let my toes get forward and try to think "run" it out... I mash on small declines and flats to build... I "spin" on uphills to *try* not to burn out and keep it non-aggressive.... and obviously, yes I MASH and MASH hard when the hills are short and steep... I got a climbing (seated) lesson from CG... basically its put the hand on the flats... so you can pushtraigtht against the bars as you ride if needed.. Bend in the elbows, core locked on.,... then turn the legs over... alway go 5 more strokes than you think you need over the crest.. ost people stop putting the effort in just before they should so you gain time there... Lol - what??? |
| 2009-07-04 11:55 AM in reply to: #2254386 |
Elite 4148 Utah | Subject: RE: Stage 1 |
| 2009-07-04 11:55 AM in reply to: #2261540 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:53 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:45 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:44 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:38 AM Wow - Astana are all over it! It's a stacked pack for sure....
Amazing on paper.... Interesting to see how they work as a unit.... As long as they support one another and don't get too aggressive amongst one another, it should be a success. Exactly... hopefully much better thab T-Mobile a few years ago when they all seemed to be running their own game plans... |
| 2009-07-04 11:55 AM in reply to: #2261520 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Stage 1 kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:39 PM I've said before that I know nothing about who the T/Ting specialists are, apart from the obvious few. And Grabsch isn't obvious to me. See why I have to research my picks for ITT's 4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:38 AM I have one question. CHR15, why Grabsh? In no way demeaning that pick. Oh come on... World TT Champion.... Even I can defend that pick! lol!  Wait for the mountains. |
| 2009-07-04 11:58 AM in reply to: #2261545 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:55 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:39 PM I've said before that I know nothing about who the T/Ting specialists are, apart from the obvious few. And Grabsch isn't obvious to me. See why I have to research my picks for ITT's 4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:38 AM I have one question. CHR15, why Grabsh? In no way demeaning that pick. Oh come on... World TT Champion.... Even I can defend that pick! lol! Wait for the mountains.haha I dont think Im going to do as well as last ear.... my obsession hasnt taken flight thesame as last year... yet
I miss Valverde... |
| 2009-07-04 11:59 AM in reply to: #2261544 |
Elite 4148 Utah | Subject: RE: Stage 1 kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:55 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:53 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:45 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:44 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:38 AM Wow - Astana are all over it! It's a stacked pack for sure....
Amazing on paper.... Interesting to see how they work as a unit.... As long as they support one another and don't get too aggressive amongst one another, it should be a success. Exactly... hopefully much better thab T-Mobile a few years ago when they all seemed to be running their own game plans... I VAGUELY remember that coverage, as that it was before I was into all this... but didn't that team also didn't a lot of members of that team get a bad rap for doping (or at least rumors thereof)? |
| 2009-07-04 11:59 AM in reply to: #2261542 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Stage 1 kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:54 PM Oh come on. Surely you've hit your max HR. What do you do, scream?4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:53 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:40 PM Did CG show you how to chew the bars when you max out on a climb?geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:37 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:32 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:28 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:26 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:22 AM Amatuer Cycling confusion.... Please clear.... They keep talking about riders (ie Dave, just now) being on both large rings... Wouldn't that be cross chaining? I know for me as an extreme and with mid-line components, that would be near death of derailling. Am I missing something? In your Big Ring at the front... you *should* be able toride the smaller gears at the back... that's exactly how I ride 80% of the time... my friends constantly accuse me of "mashing it out" . But with my oak tree legs I can hack it out with no prob... I think maybe my legs are built for cycling... The ONLY time I ever use my small cog on front is on med-big hills. Mashing... you could be... Are you spinning your legs? Or forcing down on the pedals... do you spin around or push down/up.... Hard to tel without seeing it... but just because its a big gear it doesnt mean you are mashing.... there is more toit than that! There are times I mash... I think up/down (get to work hammies) Then there are times I spin... I think forward motion and let my toes get forward and try to think "run" it out... I mash on small declines and flats to build... I "spin" on uphills to *try* not to burn out and keep it non-aggressive.... and obviously, yes I MASH and MASH hard when the hills are short and steep... I got a climbing (seated) lesson from CG... basically its put the hand on the flats... so you can pushtraigtht against the bars as you ride if needed.. Bend in the elbows, core locked on.,... then turn the legs over... alway go 5 more strokes than you think you need over the crest.. ost people stop putting the effort in just before they should so you gain time there... Lol - what??? chewing handlebar tape -- (Brit./Wirral) This occurs when you are suffering so much that you find yourself head down over the handlebars and you are chewing the tape on your handlebars (in the vain hope, I think, that you might find some energy from it.) Usage: "When we got to the climb I was chewing my handle bar tape". |
| 2009-07-04 12:00 PM in reply to: #2261550 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:59 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:55 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:53 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:45 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:44 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:38 AM Wow - Astana are all over it! It's a stacked pack for sure....
Amazing on paper.... Interesting to see how they work as a unit.... As long as they support one another and don't get too aggressive amongst one another, it should be a success. Exactly... hopefully much better thab T-Mobile a few years ago when they all seemed to be running their own game plans... I VAGUELY remember that coverage, as that it was before I was into all this... but didn't that team also didn't a lot of members of that team get a bad rap for doping (or at least rumors thereof)? Not that year... but later on yes... At the time they were the strongest team on paper with Ullrich, Vino, Kloden etc |
| 2009-07-04 12:01 PM in reply to: #2261554 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:59 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:54 PM Oh come on. Surely you've hit your max HR. What do you do, scream?4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:53 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:40 PM Did CG show you how to chew the bars when you max out on a climb?geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:37 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:32 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:28 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:26 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:22 AM Amatuer Cycling confusion.... Please clear.... They keep talking about riders (ie Dave, just now) being on both large rings... Wouldn't that be cross chaining? I know for me as an extreme and with mid-line components, that would be near death of derailling. Am I missing something? In your Big Ring at the front... you *should* be able toride the smaller gears at the back... that's exactly how I ride 80% of the time... my friends constantly accuse me of "mashing it out" . But with my oak tree legs I can hack it out with no prob... I think maybe my legs are built for cycling... The ONLY time I ever use my small cog on front is on med-big hills. Mashing... you could be... Are you spinning your legs? Or forcing down on the pedals... do you spin around or push down/up.... Hard to tel without seeing it... but just because its a big gear it doesnt mean you are mashing.... there is more toit than that! There are times I mash... I think up/down (get to work hammies) Then there are times I spin... I think forward motion and let my toes get forward and try to think "run" it out... I mash on small declines and flats to build... I "spin" on uphills to *try* not to burn out and keep it non-aggressive.... and obviously, yes I MASH and MASH hard when the hills are short and steep... I got a climbing (seated) lesson from CG... basically its put the hand on the flats... so you can pushtraigtht against the bars as you ride if needed.. Bend in the elbows, core locked on.,... then turn the legs over... alway go 5 more strokes than you think you need over the crest.. ost people stop putting the effort in just before they should so you gain time there... Lol - what??? chewing handlebar tape -- (Brit./Wirral) This occurs when you are suffering so much that you find yourself head down over the handlebars and you are chewing the tape on your handlebars (in the vain hope, I think, that you might find some energy from it.) Usage: "When we got to the climb I was chewing my handle bar tape". Umm well I think last time I may have screamed at CG to "---- Off" |
| 2009-07-04 12:01 PM in reply to: #2254386 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 Sigh... there he is boys.... |
| 2009-07-04 12:02 PM in reply to: #2261554 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Stage 1 4everblue - 2009-07-04 5:59 PM fell off chair laughing !!!!!!!!!!!!11kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:54 PM Oh come on. Surely you've hit your max HR. What do you do, scream?4everblue - 2009-07-05 2:53 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 5:40 PM Did CG show you how to chew the bars when you max out on a climb?geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:37 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:32 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:28 AM kaqphin - 2009-07-04 10:26 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:22 AM Amatuer Cycling confusion.... Please clear.... They keep talking about riders (ie Dave, just now) being on both large rings... Wouldn't that be cross chaining? I know for me as an extreme and with mid-line components, that would be near death of derailling. Am I missing something? In your Big Ring at the front... you *should* be able toride the smaller gears at the back... that's exactly how I ride 80% of the time... my friends constantly accuse me of "mashing it out" . But with my oak tree legs I can hack it out with no prob... I think maybe my legs are built for cycling... The ONLY time I ever use my small cog on front is on med-big hills. Mashing... you could be... Are you spinning your legs? Or forcing down on the pedals... do you spin around or push down/up.... Hard to tel without seeing it... but just because its a big gear it doesnt mean you are mashing.... there is more toit than that! There are times I mash... I think up/down (get to work hammies) Then there are times I spin... I think forward motion and let my toes get forward and try to think "run" it out... I mash on small declines and flats to build... I "spin" on uphills to *try* not to burn out and keep it non-aggressive.... and obviously, yes I MASH and MASH hard when the hills are short and steep... I got a climbing (seated) lesson from CG... basically its put the hand on the flats... so you can pushtraigtht against the bars as you ride if needed.. Bend in the elbows, core locked on.,... then turn the legs over... alway go 5 more strokes than you think you need over the crest.. ost people stop putting the effort in just before they should so you gain time there... Lol - what??? chewing handlebar tape -- (Brit./Wirral) This occurs when you are suffering so much that you find yourself head down over the handlebars and you are chewing the tape on your handlebars (in the vain hope, I think, that you might find some energy from it.) Usage: "When we got to the climb I was chewing my handle bar tape". |
| 2009-07-04 12:02 PM in reply to: #2254386 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Stage 1 rain??? |
| 2009-07-04 12:04 PM in reply to: #2261564 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 |
| 2009-07-04 12:06 PM in reply to: #2254386 |
Elite 4148 Utah | Subject: RE: Stage 1 |
| 2009-07-04 12:11 PM in reply to: #2254386 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 All the big boys out playing now! |
| 2009-07-04 12:12 PM in reply to: #2261543 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:55 AM Anybody following Lance on Twitter? It's kind of cool. Havent looked today... has be been posting since he finished the TT? |
| 2009-07-04 12:13 PM in reply to: #2254386 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 There you go boys.... Wiggo on the pace |
| 2009-07-04 12:15 PM in reply to: #2261575 |
Elite 4148 Utah | Subject: RE: Stage 1 kaqphin - 2009-07-04 11:12 AM geauxtri - 2009-07-05 2:55 AM Anybody following Lance on Twitter? It's kind of cool. Havent looked today... has be been posting since he finished the TT? Yep... posted how he rode with Kreuziger's dad... kind of funny, he's definitely the "gramps" of this race. |
| 2009-07-04 12:18 PM in reply to: #2254386 |
Master 1688 ALSAGER, CHESHIRE. UK | Subject: RE: Stage 1 Well, Alberto can you keep it going? |
| 2009-07-04 12:19 PM in reply to: #2261580 |
Champion 26509 Sydney | Subject: RE: Stage 1 4everblue - 2009-07-05 3:18 AM Well, Alberto can you keep it going? sigh... why cant I like him? |
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