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2010-05-02 11:06 PM
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Bit of a crazy week/weekend for me.  Flew back from Denver on Friday and hit the pool.  Did 18 mi on the bike Saturday and some running today.  Also got the bike fitted and put aerobars on it.  Really looking forward to getting out on the road with them.

I've downloaded one of the training plans, but with my crazy schedule I'm having to move workout sessions around to get them all in.  What do I need to be concerned about with rest days and having say running or bike workouts on successive days?  Want to get ready and stick to the plan, but want to avoid over-training and/or injury.

Take Care,
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2010-05-03 10:14 AM
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I'm back!  We got our show up and running so life will settle down a bit now.  But I missed a LOT of workouts last week.  I ran, biked, and swam only once each and lifted twice, but that's three workouts I didn't do.  I hate that, but I simply couldn't have done the workouts and my job last week.

Anyway, I'm back on track for this week.  Hope everyone is doing well with their training!
2010-05-03 10:45 AM
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Well I signed up for a September HIM!  Now all I have to do is train!!  I'll probably also sign up for a sprint this week, making my first tri on 5/29, less than 4 weeks away!
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mdgould - 2010-05-03 12:06 AM Bit of a crazy week/weekend for me.  Flew back from Denver on Friday and hit the pool.  Did 18 mi on the bike Saturday and some running today.  Also got the bike fitted and put aerobars on it.  Really looking forward to getting out on the road with them.

I've downloaded one of the training plans, but with my crazy schedule I'm having to move workout sessions around to get them all in.  What do I need to be concerned about with rest days and having say running or bike workouts on successive days?  Want to get ready and stick to the plan, but want to avoid over-training and/or injury.

Take Care,
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Great stuff Mark!

I'm sure you're really going to appreciate that bike fitting and those aero bars!

As for your question...first it a great and very important question!  I'm a big believer in having at least one full rest day per week.  Your body needs time to recover and you're training is not nearly as beneficial and potential harmful if you're not giving your body time to recover from previous training.

Depending on your fitness level, which yours seems to be pretty good Mark, you should be fine with biking and running on successive days.  However, you need to be smart about it.  Let's say you do a hard bike workout today; don't plan for a hard run the next day, make it an easy paced "recovery" run in zone 1-2.  To stick to that format, maybe take it easy and not push too hard on the following day on the bike.  That way, the following day you could consider doing a tempo run or a run where you push yourself.

It is extremely important that you have a game plan at least for that week's training as you're asking for trouble if you don't have a plan.  You really should have at least a monthly plan, but at absolute minimum, a week at a time.  Its good that you've looked into a training plan and I think it would be a good idea to use that as a base for your training.  If you want to make some adjustments, by all means, go for it.  However, this should give you a good idea on the amount of training you should try to get in each week in preparation for your race.

Once you've got a schedule setup, obviously you want to do your best to follow and not miss many workouts.  However, if you can't get a workout in, don't sweat it at all.  Nonetheless, if you're consistently missing workouts, that's when you need to think about making changes to the schedule or your goals.
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sbright - 2010-05-03 11:14 AM I'm back!  We got our show up and running so life will settle down a bit now.  But I missed a LOT of workouts last week.  I ran, biked, and swam only once each and lifted twice, but that's three workouts I didn't do.  I hate that, but I simply couldn't have done the workouts and my job last week.

Anyway, I'm back on track for this week.  Hope everyone is doing well with their training!


Well back Sarah...I thought we had lost you there for a minute Smile

As I just finished saying to Mark, don't worry about missing some training as life does get in the way sometimes.  Its when life manages to start consistently getting in the way when we have to start worrying about it.  Just stay positive and do your best to get in your training this week.  From what I've seen from you so far, it sounds like you have a great work ethic and you'll be fine.
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michgirlsk - 2010-05-03 11:45 AM Well I signed up for a September HIM!  Now all I have to do is train!!  I'll probably also sign up for a sprint this week, making my first tri on 5/29, less than 4 weeks away!


Congratulations Samantha!!!  Sometimes the biggest step is signing up.  You've given yourself plenty of time and if you stay focused, you're going to do terrific!

It will be a good idea for you to do a couple smaller tri's before then as they will be excellent preparation.  Have you figured out what you are going to do for a training plan yet?


2010-05-03 5:18 PM
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I swam again today, it was easier this time.  I did 600 meters resting 30 secs in between each lap.  I was significantly faster.  The next 300 meters I worked on technique and breathing, I was a little slower but felt more efficient.  Then I did 300 meter water running, I like to do that at the end of my work outs it works the legs, I think.

Colin,

I am not following any plan because I am running, biking and swimming more than any of the plans that I have seen on this site, so should I continue and just keep adding mileage/meters each week.  I am also training for a half mary in Sept.  Let me know.

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2010-05-03 8:34 PM
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hockeyhands - 2010-05-03 4:31 PM
michgirlsk - 2010-05-03 11:45 AM Well I signed up for a September HIM!  Now all I have to do is train!!  I'll probably also sign up for a sprint this week, making my first tri on 5/29, less than 4 weeks away!


Congratulations Samantha!!!  Sometimes the biggest step is signing up.  You've given yourself plenty of time and if you stay focused, you're going to do terrific!

It will be a good idea for you to do a couple smaller tri's before then as they will be excellent preparation.  Have you figured out what you are going to do for a training plan yet?


Congrats on signing up... Tim1
2010-05-03 8:45 PM
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Man after that 62 mile bike ride yesterday, bricking the 42 min. swim then a hour twentyfive on the bike was tough today.. But have recovery day tomorrow...

Colin
I feel the run is my weakness, what do you feel I can do to improve at running... Also with my weight loss and diet I'm going to try this week to reduce my protein and to  get 25f/50c/25p with 2000 kcal a day to see if I can get the engine burning....
Here is a copy of my food log for today, all comments welcomedLaughing thanks tim1




Food ItemServingsCalsFatCholestSodiumCarbsSugarsFiberProtein
Apple, small, with skin2.001100g0mg2mg29g22g5g1g
Life Extension Life Extension Mix Tabs0.3300g0mg0mg0g0g0g0g
Ester-C Ester-c 1000 Mg1.0000g0mg0mg0g0g0g0g
4 Grain Cage Free Large Brown Eggs3.0021014g645mg165mg2g0g0g18g
Spinach1.0070g0mg24mg1g0g1g1g
Onions, Diced1.00100g0mg1mg2g0g0g0g
Organic Valley Family Of Farms Chocolate Reduced Fat Milk1.001705g20mg250mg24g23g0g8g
BumbleBee Chunk Light Tuna In Water2.001001g60mg360mg0g0g0g26g
Athenos Roasted Red Pepper Hummus1.00502g0mg140mg5g0g2g2g
Publix Baby Spinach0.2550g0mg16mg1g0g1g1g
Tamxicos whole wheat tortilla2.002406g0mg560mg40g2g6g6g
Beets Raw1.00580g0mg106mg13g9g4g2g
Apple, small, with skin1.00550g0mg1mg15g11g3g0g
Athenos Cucumber Dill Hummus1.00503g0mg160mg5g1g1g0g
Baby Carrots, Raw1.00350g0mg65mg8g5g2g1g
Peter Pan Peanutbutter0.50958g0mg55mg3g2g2g4g
Ezekiel 4:91.00801g0mg0mg15g0g3g4g
Vitamin Shoppe L-glutamine Powder1.0000g0mg0mg0g0g0g0g
Organic Valley Family Of Farms Chocolate Reduced Fat Milk1.001705g20mg250mg24g23g0g8g
Sweet Potato, Cooked, With Skin4.001000g0mg40mg24g8g4g4g
Italian Green Beans2.001208g20mg104mg12g0g0g3g
Uncle Ben's Ready Rice Whole Grain Brown1.002403g0mg15mg39g0g2g5g
Chicken Baked1.501501g105mg165mg0g0g0g33g
FitnessMinutesCalories Burned
Swimming: crawl, moderate, 50 yds/min41.0-594.0
cycled in kurt kinectic (manual)85.0-923.0
Totals: 53857g870mg2,478mg261g106g34g127g
2010-05-03 10:09 PM
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hockeyhands - 2010-05-03 4:25 PM Great stuff Mark!

I'm sure you're really going to appreciate that bike fitting and those aero bars!

As for your question...first it a great and very important question!  I'm a big believer in having at least one full rest day per week.  Your body needs time to recover and you're training is not nearly as beneficial and potential harmful if you're not giving your body time to recover from previous training.

Depending on your fitness level, which yours seems to be pretty good Mark, you should be fine with biking and running on successive days.  However, you need to be smart about it.  Let's say you do a hard bike workout today; don't plan for a hard run the next day, make it an easy paced "recovery" run in zone 1-2.  To stick to that format, maybe take it easy and not push too hard on the following day on the bike.  That way, the following day you could consider doing a tempo run or a run where you push yourself.

It is extremely important that you have a game plan at least for that week's training as you're asking for trouble if you don't have a plan.  You really should have at least a monthly plan, but at absolute minimum, a week at a time.  Its good that you've looked into a training plan and I think it would be a good idea to use that as a base for your training.  If you want to make some adjustments, by all means, go for it.  However, this should give you a good idea on the amount of training you should try to get in each week in preparation for your race.

Once you've got a schedule setup, obviously you want to do your best to follow and not miss many workouts.  However, if you can't get a workout in, don't sweat it at all.  Nonetheless, if you're consistently missing workouts, that's when you need to think about making changes to the schedule or your goals.


Took the bike out for a quick blast after I got back from the shop and what a difference a few cm's makes.  The aerobars are nice and comfy.  They will take some getting used to, but I'm looking forward to them.  Legs feel different too.  Don't know if they're just tired from running or if it's the slight change in seat position.  Will get her out tomorrow for a longer ride.

I have a training plan loaded up on here and it's working pretty well.  Certainly motivating.  However, it's a time-based plan and I need to look at setting up intensity zones.  No hills around here to climb, so I'll maybe look at inervals or something.  I've been doing some of that running, but only a few times on the bike.

As far as workouts, I'm getting them all done (and will keep at it), but I'm having to move them around during the week.  Still plan on getting them all in though.

Take Care,
Mark

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Tim(1),

Well at a glance I like it a lot better than the other day!   A lot more natural foods, and more importantly a lot more produce!  It seems like you're getting a great variety.  It's also good that you're getting a good amount of calcium in through the dairy products. I feel that's an area people may skimp on. (Does your nutrition log track calcium as well?  I can't quite tell if you've reached the minimum you should be taking.  Generally it'd be equivalent to around 3 cups of milk a day-and I see you drank milk twice- but you could be getting some calcium from the other foods as well to meet the recommended minimum.) I also like that there's a lot less of the protein shake.  Good choices with the tuna and baked chicken.  I can't see anything wrong with today's food log, so I hope it works for you!  Just don't forget, everything in moderation, so make sure to get just a little bit of those "bad" (for lack of a better word!!) foods (drink?) every now and then too.


2010-05-04 4:50 PM
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Today's workout

1 hour boxing
30 min bike at gym 7.03 (it is really hard to get over 16mph at the gym bikes)
25 min tire fip, sledge hammer swings, kettlebells.  (yoga instructor wanted me to join her for a quick warm up before yoga)
1 Hour yoga.

Run tomorrow.
2010-05-04 6:32 PM
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Hey bikers!  I know I need to get time in on my actual bike, but is there any benefit to riding the bike in the gym?  If so, what is it and how can I get the most out of it?

Also, why was riding a bike so much more fun when I was a kid?!
2010-05-04 6:46 PM
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Slowboy3094 - 2010-05-04 5:50 PM Today's workout

1 hour boxing
30 min bike at gym 7.03 (it is really hard to get over 16mph at the gym bikes)
25 min tire fip, sledge hammer swings, kettlebells.  (yoga instructor wanted me to join her for a quick warm up before yoga)
1 Hour yoga.

Run tomorrow.


Wow.  I think you just took it to another level.
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skiplong - 2010-05-04 6:46 PM
Slowboy3094 - 2010-05-04 5:50 PM Today's workout

1 hour boxing
30 min bike at gym 7.03 (it is really hard to get over 16mph at the gym bikes)
25 min tire fip, sledge hammer swings, kettlebells.  (yoga instructor wanted me to join her for a quick warm up before yoga)
1 Hour yoga.

Run tomorrow.


Wow.  I think you just took it to another level.


It is not that bad.  I am also training for Muay Thai competitive fighting, which is my first priority.  I am seeing improvements in my Run, Bike and Swim.  So, all my workouts compliment each other. 
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Slowboy3094 - 2010-05-04 8:40 PM
skiplong - 2010-05-04 6:46 PM
Slowboy3094 - 2010-05-04 5:50 PM Today's workout

1 hour boxing
30 min bike at gym 7.03 (it is really hard to get over 16mph at the gym bikes)
25 min tire fip, sledge hammer swings, kettlebells.  (yoga instructor wanted me to join her for a quick warm up before yoga)
1 Hour yoga.

Run tomorrow.


Wow.  I think you just took it to another level.


It is not that bad.  I am also training for Muay Thai competitive fighting, which is my first priority.  I am seeing improvements in my Run, Bike and Swim.  So, all my workouts compliment each other. 


A couple years ago, when I was living in CA, I was training in Krav Maga.  I absolutely loved it, but when the hour was done, so was I!  Keep up the good work.  It's inspiring--right at a time when I'm hitting a major lull.


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Well, it seems like everyone is really working hard and taking their training seriously. I was doing quite nice once I got thru the majority of my finals, but I ran into a little problem yesterday.

A friend of mine took me mountain biking for my first time, and off a big drop I came down hard, lost control, and in the process broke my collar bone. Cry


I think the worst part was the 45min walk back to the trailhead lol.

Anywho, I'm headed to an orthopedcic now, and plan to stay active on here so I stay motivated while I have to sit around and be lazy.

One question. have any of yall broken your collar bone and what was recovery time like? Or any bones for that matter?

Thanks and train hard!
2010-05-05 9:36 AM
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drew2219 - 2010-05-05 10:15 AM Well, it seems like everyone is really working hard and taking their training seriously. I was doing quite nice once I got thru the majority of my finals, but I ran into a little problem yesterday.

A friend of mine took me mountain biking for my first time, and off a big drop I came down hard, lost control, and in the process broke my collar bone. Cry


I think the worst part was the 45min walk back to the trailhead lol.

Anywho, I'm headed to an orthopedcic now, and plan to stay active on here so I stay motivated while I have to sit around and be lazy.

One question. have any of yall broken your collar bone and what was recovery time like? Or any bones for that matter?

Thanks and train hard!


Oh no Andrew!!!  That's terrible!  I'm very sorry to hear that.  It must have been a horrible walk back.  I used to have shoulder problems during my hockey playing days (finally had surgery after my senior year of college) and the rehab was pretty rough.  However, depending on how severe your injury is, I don't think it is as bad a shoulder injury.  Please get back to us with the details after you get back from the orthopedic.

The best advice I have for you is to stay positive and make the best of your rehabing time.  There is tons of information out there about tri training.  I'd love to see you spending some extra time learning about the sport.  However, with school finishing up, makes its a good time to take a nice break.

Your post just reminded me you lived in Orlando.  I will be there next week for the USAT Triathlon Coaching certification course.  I'll be pretty busy most of the time, but I'd love to meet up with you if you're around.  I'm staying at International Palms Resort and Conference Center on International Drive (its where the training is as well).  If you're close to there and want to meet up, definitely let me know.  If not, no big deal.

Well definitely keep up posted on the injury.  I'm so sorry to hear about it!
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drew2219 - 2010-05-05 10:15 AM Well, it seems like everyone is really working hard and taking their training seriously. I was doing quite nice once I got thru the majority of my finals, but I ran into a little problem yesterday.

A friend of mine took me mountain biking for my first time, and off a big drop I came down hard, lost control, and in the process broke my collar bone. Cry


I think the worst part was the 45min walk back to the trailhead lol.

Anywho, I'm headed to an orthopedcic now, and plan to stay active on here so I stay motivated while I have to sit around and be lazy.

One question. have any of yall broken your collar bone and what was recovery time like? Or any bones for that matter?

Thanks and train hard!


!!!!!!!!!! SurprisedSurprised That is horrible, so sorry to hear.  I've heard the collar bone is one of the most painful bones to break.  And it's not until you hurt a muscle/bone that you realize just how much you utilize it with just normal movements.  So here's to hoping for a speedy recovery!!  I'm happy to say I haven't broken a bone before, I just don't know how I would deal with the pain.  One of my teeth has been bothering me (I think a wisdom tooth is growing in) so I'm headed to the dentist tomorrow, and I'm dreading it, because I don't even like the thought of having teeth pulled!  I'm a weakling when it comes to pain or the thought of it.  (Pain is NOT weakness leaving the body. )
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sbright - 2010-05-04 7:32 PM Hey bikers!  I know I need to get time in on my actual bike, but is there any benefit to riding the bike in the gym?  If so, what is it and how can I get the most out of it?

Also, why was riding a bike so much more fun when I was a kid?!


A few months ago when I was riding in the gym, I was doing something along the lines of interval workouts.  I like it better than just continuous spinning because it breaks it up.  Not only that, since you're increasing intensity, I think you'll be getting more out of your workout.  As for specific workouts, I had been taking ideas from this site here:

http://www.training4cyclists.com/wintertraining.pdf

Not necessarily the training program itself, but the intervals workouts (page 3 onwards).  So for example, I'd take from "aerobic power 1" which is basically 5x4min fast, 2min rest.  So for the "fast" I'd try to stay above 110-115rpm for 4 minutes, and then back off for 2 minutes, then speed back up, that sort of thing.
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Sorry Andrew thats really horrible.  It sounds like you have a good attitude though, and even though you're in for some PT there will be some things (like stationary biking) you can hopefully get back into pretty quickly.  I've have surgery on both of my shouders in the past three years (torn labrums-similar to a rotator cuff tear), and while it sux, I was able to get back on a bike in a month.   The PT was about 6 months for each and 9 months before I was back to normal, but hopefully your recovery time is much faster. Good luck.
On a seperate note, if anyone else lives in Boston do you know of a good place to get swimming lessons?  Colin, your advice has helped, but I definitely don't feel like I'm progressing fast enough.  I think a little one on one guidance would do me a lot of good.
Thanks


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Thanks!  I will definitely be looking into that program.  Should I be using a spinning bike, an upright bike, what? 
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Personally, I don't think it really makes much of a difference, but that's just me.  The advantage of being on a regular stationary bike (as opposed to the spinner bikes- sorry I don't know proper terminology!) is that it gives you all the numbers and that (rpm's, distance, time, etc), which is what I like.  To me for the purposes of the interval type workouts, I like knowing what rpm I'm going at.  It gives me a specific goal to keep in mind that I have to go for.  Else, you are just going based on your effort/RPE (rate of perceived exertion), which of course is cool too, but I find it harder to stay motivated.
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A couple years ago, when I was living in CA, I was training in Krav Maga.  I absolutely loved it, but when the hour was done, so was I!  Keep up the good work.  It's inspiring--right at a time when I'm hitting a major lull.

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I was an assistant instructor for Krav Maga in San Diego.  I would do 3 hours a night 3 nights a week. ( I was completely spent).  I did a lot of SpecOps and Law Enforcement stuff.  I have trained with Eyal Yanilov.  I love Krav, however, with my new schedule and limited session it was just too much money.  So, I joined an MMA style gym.  I am learning technique.  One day I hope to travel to Israel and train with the Israelis. 
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drew2219 - 2010-05-05 10:15 AM Well, it seems like everyone is really working hard and taking their training seriously. I was doing quite nice once I got thru the majority of my finals, but I ran into a little problem yesterday.

A friend of mine took me mountain biking for my first time, and off a big drop I came down hard, lost control, and in the process broke my collar bone. Cry


I think the worst part was the 45min walk back to the trailhead lol.

Anywho, I'm headed to an orthopedcic now, and plan to stay active on here so I stay motivated while I have to sit around and be lazy.

One question. have any of yall broken your collar bone and what was recovery time like? Or any bones for that matter?

Thanks and train hard!


Ouch! Sorry to hear that happened to you, Andrew.  I broke my clavicle in a motorcycle accident and had to have surgery to tie it back down (They called it a floating clavicle because I landed on the end of it right above the shoulder where the ligamints hold it down because I high-sided.).  I wore a sling for 1 1/2 months and wasn't cleared by the doc for heavy lifting until 6 months was up, but I wouldn't think it will take that long especially if you don't need surgery.  I also broke mine length-wise, so that might be another reason I had to wait 6 months.  Fortunately, I didn't do anything to my shoulder which I've heard is much worse.  Anyway, that was in 2000, so a long time has passed for me.  This will all be over for you before you know it, and you'll be back at it again in no time.  I'll pray you receive good news at your appointment tomorrow with the doc and that the diagnosis will be a speedy recovery. 
Take care,
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