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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jford2309 - 2011-01-25 11:19 AM Thanks for fixing that Joe! So I propose in Feb that we try to set a team goal. I am sticking with the IM distance for the month. (or if that is too much, then go for your longest tri-sprint or Olympic distances) In Feb, I will: Swim 2.4 miles Bike 112 miles Run 26.2 miles I am in - Just some quick calcs based on time of training plan Swim - 3.5 miles Bike - 170 miles Run - 60 |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jford2309 - 2011-01-25 10:19 AM Thanks for fixing that Joe! So I propose in Feb that we try to set a team goal. I am sticking with the IM distance for the month. (or if that is too much, then go for your longest tri-sprint or Olympic distances) In Feb, I will: Swim 2.4 miles Bike 112 miles Run 26.2 miles And don;t forget, Feb is a short month! I'm in too: Bike - 135 miles Run - 35 miles Swim - 7 miles The mileage is slightly under the HIM training plan so I think I'm being realistic. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I rode today! short but sweet. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() joemac3 - 2011-01-25 10:14 PM I rode today! short but sweet. That's awesome! See, it's easy to get back. If your knee is not up to par, definitely don't push the running. Think of this time as an easy way to get in lots of bike time. It is the longest part of the race, so it comes in handy. I should know, it's by far my worst. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tonight I did get my run before I went home. Only 3.5 miles but I worked on 1/4 mile intervals withe the slow at 10 min miles and the fastest at 7:45 pace. Felt good, then ended teh night with an ab ripper session. I am so ready for the season to start! I have high expectations in 2011! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jessica71980 - 2011-01-25 7:32 PM joemac3 - 2011-01-25 10:14 PM I rode today! short but sweet. That's awesome! See, it's easy to get back. If your knee is not up to par, definitely don't push the running. Think of this time as an easy way to get in lots of bike time. It is the longest part of the race, so it comes in handy. I should know, it's by far my worst. What's hard for me is to stay out of the pool. I have to work on my running and bike and just maintain the swimming. I used to swim competitvly and it is by far the strongest for me. I have to make myself focus on the other disaplins otherwise I would only end up swimming. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't know anyone that prefers to swim. You're weird. Edited by jessica71980 2011-01-26 8:29 AM |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Swim lesson this am. I can't breathe for sh*t. If I could figure that out, I could move on to worrying about all the other problems. We did do an interesting drill with 5 breathes/25 yds and dropping a breathe each 25 down to 1. I couldn't manage the one, but 3 felt pretty good. At 2, I was about to drown.
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goosedog - 2011-01-26 9:47 AM Swim lesson this am. I can't breathe for sh*t. If I could figure that out, I could move on to worrying about all the other problems. We did do an interesting drill with 5 breathes/25 yds and dropping a breathe each 25 down to 1. I couldn't manage the one, but 3 felt pretty good. At 2, I was about to drown.
I'm procrastinating at work, so... That's an interesting drill? What is it supposed to do exactly? I mean, you wouldn't swim like that normally. Most coaches will probably encourage you to take more breaths. I'm intrigued. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jessica71980 - 2011-01-26 10:02 AM That's an interesting drill? What is it supposed to do exactly? I mean, you wouldn't swim like that normally. Most coaches will probably encourage you to take more breaths. I'm intrigued. My understanding was to make me realize that I didn't HAVE to breathe every 2/3/4 strokes. I can get panicky and start to breathe more than is probably necessary, and my technique suffers. I was focusing on a deliberate exhale as the breathes/length decreased. It also seemed to force me to lengthen my stroke and be more deliberate with my pull. If nothing more, I was kind of surprised I could get across the pool with only two breathes. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I am a 2 stroke breather...always on the left. When I first started, I could barely go 100yds without feeling like I was going to sink. The hardest part was relaxing and breathing in a normal manner/rate. Any opinions on 3 and 5 stroke breathing for a beginner like me? Should I stick with the two stroke if it is working? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sounds like you were working on hypoxic breathing. We do this often in our Master's Class. This will help you increase the efficientcy that your body uses oxygen, think of it as training in higher altitudes. By using less oxygen, it will force the lactic acid levels to rise, which is supposed to help you build a tolerance to it and helping you to not blow up! Edited by jford2309 2011-01-26 9:27 AM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() harberc - 2011-01-26 9:16 AM I am a 2 stroke breather...always on the left. When I first started, I could barely go 100yds without feeling like I was going to sink. The hardest part was relaxing and breathing in a normal manner/rate. Any opinions on 3 and 5 stroke breathing for a beginner like me? Should I stick with the two stroke if it is working? I breathe every time my right hand hits the water, so I am also a two stroke breather. I also always breath on my left. I have tried to learn to breath bilaterally, but it has been much more work than I wanted to put into it. I have never had any problems due to being a unilateral breather. I would say to stick with what is working for you. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jessica71980 - 2011-01-26 7:02 AM Goosedog - 2011-01-26 9:47 AM Swim lesson this am. I can't breathe for sh*t. If I could figure that out, I could move on to worrying about all the other problems. We did do an interesting drill with 5 breathes/25 yds and dropping a breathe each 25 down to 1. I couldn't manage the one, but 3 felt pretty good. At 2, I was about to drown.
I'm procrastinating at work, so... That's an interesting drill? What is it supposed to do exactly? I mean, you wouldn't swim like that normally. Most coaches will probably encourage you to take more breaths. I'm intrigued. Hypoxic drills (aka lung busters), Those are fun and great lung builders. I always throw those in at the end of my workout, and end with 2 underwater - 0 breath 25yd. It forces your body to deal with less oxygen at same performance levels - think altitude training in the water. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() LOL My thoughts exactly- 2 posts up! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jford2309 - 2011-01-26 8:00 AM Hypoxic drills (aka lung busters), Those are fun and great lung builders. I always throw those in at the end of my workout, and end with 2 underwater - 0 breath 25yd. It forces your body to deal with less oxygen at same performance levels - think altitude training in the water.LOL My thoughts exactly- 2 posts up! Ya I saw.. I am a little tardy to the party. what can you do about it |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm sorry, I mis-spoke (or typed). What I meant more was why, if you're just beginning to try to get your rhythm down, would you worry about that. I guess I can see if you're at a more advanced level. I just personally think working on your form and breathing regularly, is going to be better use of your time in the pool at this juncture. But again, just my .02. I've never done this drill and I come in top 10% in almost all my races in the swim, and I didn't swim at ALL before doing tri's. I couldn't swim 25 yrds when I started. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() harberc - 2011-01-26 10:16 AM I am a 2 stroke breather...always on the left. When I first started, I could barely go 100yds without feeling like I was going to sink. The hardest part was relaxing and breathing in a normal manner/rate. Any opinions on 3 and 5 stroke breathing for a beginner like me? Should I stick with the two stroke if it is working? x2 on whatever works for you. I'm a 4 stroke, right breather (2 stroke while racing). The only reason lots of people will tell you bilateral breathing is better (3 or 5) is it gives you more flexibility. i.e. in a race if there are waves from one direction, or the sun in your eyes. I will say, I did have waves in my face at my HIM last year and it sucked. But obviously not so much so that I've spent any time since then working on bilateral breathing. Another thing to note may be that, for me, sometimes my neck gets tired of that same direction by the end of that long of a swim. As related to the last topic, I will switch to every 2 strokes during a race. Allows for your body to get more oxygen obviously. You don't want to deprive yourself of oxygen while racing. Anyone else have other opinions? I am always interested in this topic and people's experiences. And also always open to trying new things.
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The sun/wave thing has been a concern of mine and neck soreness is a great point (I hadn't thought of that on an 800yd swim), but I tend to lose focus if I do anything other than a 2 stroke and it ends up hurting my stamina. I am going to try to get comfortable with the bilateral as the year goes on, but for my very first sprint tri, I am going to use the 2 stroke. Hell, I'm sure I'll screw everything up in this first tri in April but hey, that's what a newbie does right??? I guess I'll figure it out as I go along. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was a one sided breather all my life. When I started swimming laps as a cross training for running and adventure races I stayed with that. Once I got into training for tri's I heard how much more efficient I could be by breathing bilateraly. I took about 2 weeks to get comfortable with it. That was 2 seasons ago. Now it is just the way I swim and I feel as if I am more balanced in the water. Don't get me wrong - I won't be winning any swim races, but I feel more confident knowing I can breathe on either sidea nd be able to turn away from splashing, waves, sun, etc if necessary. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jessica71980 - 2011-01-26 6:29 AM I don't know anyone that prefers to swim. You're weird. How could anyone not prefer to swim… you guys are the weird ones ![]() |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jessica71980 - 2011-01-26 9:10 AM harberc - 2011-01-26 10:16 AM I am a 2 stroke breather...always on the left. When I first started, I could barely go 100yds without feeling like I was going to sink. The hardest part was relaxing and breathing in a normal manner/rate. Any opinions on 3 and 5 stroke breathing for a beginner like me? Should I stick with the two stroke if it is working? x2 on whatever works for you. I'm a 4 stroke, right breather (2 stroke while racing). The only reason lots of people will tell you bilateral breathing is better (3 or 5) is it gives you more flexibility. i.e. in a race if there are waves from one direction, or the sun in your eyes. I will say, I did have waves in my face at my HIM last year and it sucked. But obviously not so much so that I've spent any time since then working on bilateral breathing. Another thing to note may be that, for me, sometimes my neck gets tired of that same direction by the end of that long of a swim. As related to the last topic, I will switch to every 2 strokes during a race. Allows for your body to get more oxygen obviously. You don't want to deprive yourself of oxygen while racing. Anyone else have other opinions? I am always interested in this topic and people's experiences. And also always open to trying new things.
I have found that with a 2 stroke cadence you tend to breath faster and cause your heart rate to elevate. Alternating breathing does take practice to feel comfortable. What worked for me was when you exhale, exhale through your nose. It kept me from expelling all my air and having to breath every stroke. if you are exhaling through your mouth pretend you are doing through a straw. you also dont feel like you are going to die and run out of air if you start working lung busters into your swim workout as the last set before the cool down. then you can do what my swim coach used to do, 50yd. (2 breaths each length) lung busters on the 45's…. never so much pain after 2 or 3 weeks you feel like you can run a marathon breathing through a snorkel. Having taught and coached swimming, I have found people who breath on one side only tend to get cramps on that side. bilateral breathing also allows you to see all the way around you not just one side. Just my 2 cents |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() joemac3 - 2011-01-26 1:26 PM 50yd. (2 breaths each length) lung busters on the 45's…. Mercy. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Interesting... I don't get cramps so that's never been something I've thought about. And I see while I'm sighting. But I'm going to give this a try as a last set before CD. How long should I incorporate this into my workouts before I would notice a difference? I'll report back afterward. For now, I will keep with my opinion that a beginner swimmer doesn't need to worry about such things. I say swim, practice good form, and throw in some fast sets once you're comfortable. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have heard all the arguments for bilateral breathing for the last two season and no matter how many times I try, I just can't get it. I have never suffered cramps or had problems with waves or the sun, or even of a problem to cause me problems, to change what works for me. Also by breathing every two strokes, it seems to get me into a rythm (sp?) alot quicker and easier I would love to be able to bilateral breath, but I am not going to change my stroke just for that. |
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