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2007-02-16 9:33 AM
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Cashmason - 2007-02-15 4:32 PM Dan, which plan should I use? Seems like the sprint plan isn't enough running for me, while the half Iron or Full Iron have too much swimming for my abilities right now.

What distance races are you going to do this year?  If I remember correctly, you were looking at Olympic/International distance races.  The thing is that you will have reduced run volume with these plans because you have to balance 3 sports.  It's a different type of training than run training alone. 

So I guess, do you want to keep your run total high and throw in bike and swim or do you want to train for Tri's and rely on your running base.  Something like the swim focused Olympic would work for you.  http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=34



2007-02-16 8:18 PM
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I am mostly looking at sprints but I would really like to do an Olympic distance or two as well.

Problem is I will probably be dragged into another marathon or so this year. Already getting asked about a trail 20 miler up in Bishop in May. Bishop I think is about a mile high and since its a trail race on dirt going up and down hills and through streams, I expect it to be as tough as a road marathon. I train at sea level.

5hrs and roughly 3 minutes actual tri training so far this week vs planned 4.5 hours.

Did 3 1/2 hours snow skiing today but that doesnt count.

May do a 15 mile bike ride and 5 mile run brick tomorrow with the Tri club. If I do I will adjust the planned hours up by 2 hours. Didn't want to commit to it earlier this week as I wasn's sure how bad my quads would feel after the skiing.

Thanks for the help Dan.

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2007-02-17 9:01 PM
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Dan, I asked Robin to change my planned workout hours this week from 4.5 to 7 hours.

I wasn't sure I would be able to work out this weekend after skiing. In the past skiing used to thrash my quads, and I couldn't walk much for a couple of days. But the new style skis are so much easier on the legs I feel fine today. So I can get in my workouts today and tomorrow and figure 7 hours would be a legitimate target this week.

32 minutes and 800 meters in the pool today. Both personal records for me. But that included about 4 30 second breaks. Not sure if rest time to clear goggles, catch my breath and read the lap counter /timer should be included in the swim workout time logs.
2007-02-18 6:32 AM
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Cashmason - 2007-02-17 10:01 PM Dan, I asked Robin to change my planned workout hours this week from 4.5 to 7 hours. I wasn't sure I would be able to work out this weekend after skiing. In the past skiing used to thrash my quads, and I couldn't walk much for a couple of days. But the new style skis are so much easier on the legs I feel fine today. So I can get in my workouts today and tomorrow and figure 7 hours would be a legitimate target this week. 32 minutes and 800 meters in the pool today. Both personal records for me. But that included about 4 30 second breaks. Not sure if rest time to clear goggles, catch my breath and read the lap counter /timer should be included in the swim workout time logs.

I like your honesty on your times.  Keep this in mind in the pool:  It doesn't all have to be straight long efforts.  Unless I'm doing a specific long workout, most of my swims consist of 100's and 200's.  I think this will help you get use to the pool and work on your stroke.  Don't worry about going long right now.  You want your stroke to be great, so do a 100, rest, do another one, etc.  especially since you're doing sprints.  You don't have to time to recover from bad form like in a longer swim.

I'm still pondering on a good way for you to get the best of both worlds when it comes to running long and triathloning short.  I'll have plenty of time to think on it today.

Oh, btw...I don't like you because you are skiing.  I want to be skiing too!!!

2007-02-18 8:26 PM
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Don't forget I am skiing in 70 degree weather, and the girls are literally wearing bikini's while they are skiing. Gotta hurt when they fall though.

First brick with the Obsessive Compulsive Tri club. 15 mile hilly ride then put bike back inside the car and then run 5 sorta hilly miles.

Man I love how fit the girls are in this sport.

Wtf am I doing? I used to train at 11 and half minute miles with Maf Training. Running with these guys I am sub 9 minutes on more hilly routes, and thats after an hour bike ride up and down hills. Best ever race pace for 5k was 7 23 per mile. Marathon was 11:13 per mile.

Oh well hopefully I am getting more fit.
2007-02-19 7:10 AM
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Cashmason - 2007-02-18 9:26 PM Don't forget I am skiing in 70 degree weather, and the girls are literally wearing bikini's while they are skiing. Gotta hurt when they fall though. First brick with the Obsessive Compulsive Tri club. 15 mile hilly ride then put bike back inside the car and then run 5 sorta hilly miles. Man I love how fit the girls are in this sport. Wtf am I doing? I used to train at 11 and half minute miles with Maf Training. Running with these guys I am sub 9 minutes on more hilly routes, and thats after an hour bike ride up and down hills. Best ever race pace for 5k was 7 23 per mile. Marathon was 11:13 per mile. Oh well hopefully I am getting more fit.

There is no hopefully...you are getting more fit!

Triathlon training will help your overall run times immensely.  My friend JC has been a semi-pro runner since college.  She realized that last year while Tri training, she PR'd in EVERY distance race she ran.  If that doesn't say something, nothing does.  She wants to go to the Olympic trials and told her coach that she will do tri training as part of her regiment.  So keep that up.

In regards to the 70 degree, bikini skiing...I will volunteer to help them up when they fall.  And keep training with the tri club...it's great to have someone to train with.



2007-02-19 7:20 AM
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TriOK,

First off, I think I want to go to your spin class.  I love aggressive instructors and they motivate me.

This week, I am scheduled for 14.5 hrs.

I think if someone made their goal, then that's a +1, if not, then it's a 0.  Most points wins. 

Let week #2 begin!!!!

2007-02-19 7:21 AM
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Damn I am envious of Cash.  Skiing in 70 degree weather!  Nice.

My planned training time for this week is 5 hours 45 minutes (345 minutes

 

2007-02-19 10:22 AM
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Marvarnett - 2007-02-19 7:20 AM

TriOK,

First off, I think I want to go to your spin class.  I love aggressive instructors and they motivate me.

This week, I am scheduled for 14.5 hrs.

I think if someone made their goal, then that's a +1, if not, then it's a 0.  Most points wins. 

Let week #2 begin!!!!

That's a first.... I usually can't get men into my spin class.  I think they find a woman screaming at them drill sergeant-style a little intimidating. 

That, and I don't teach an easy class.  I have a reputation. 

2007-02-19 10:45 AM
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Subject: Results of Week 1

Results of week 1:

triOK's group

No Mercy:  48.1%

kbkav:  76.7%

firstriguy:  100%

poke4christ:  79.4%

erjellum:  65.1%

gator22:  100%

TyroneNYC:  71.2%

willie05:  100%

shultzboy:  56.7%

gc150:  100%

triOK:  79.5%

Marvarnett's group

Cashmason: 100%

starcorp:  100%

mcole158:  90.3%

Marvarnett:  100%

Great job guys!  Keep working hard!  Everyone looks good!



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2007-02-19 11:01 AM
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Thanks Robyn. Some good workouts there. My scheduled time for this week is 10 hours 45 minutes. Here we go again Smile


2007-02-19 1:24 PM
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Planned 8 hours this week.
2007-02-20 7:43 AM
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Marvanett - thanks for the training tip last week for practicing breathing on both sides. It's still awkward to breathe on the opposite side, but it definitely started to come around - and even started to feel a little natural - but just a little!

Cheers!

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2007-02-21 10:39 PM
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Question,

I was swimming againg tonight. And as usual my arms and lesser extent chest get fatigued fairly quickly. That tires me out even faster than my poor breathing.

Is there a way to improve that? Bent arm lat pull downs? Or just more swimming?

Thanks
2007-02-22 6:31 AM
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Cash,

Yes, lat pulldowns are great.  But do them standing up.  Place your wrists on teh bar and pull down to about chest level.  This isolates your delts and lats more for the swim stroke.

Also, use a pull buoy.  It will allow you to not have to use your legs and focus on your stroke more.  PLUS more swimming.

2007-02-22 2:24 PM
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Cashmason - 2007-02-21 10:39 PM Question, I was swimming againg tonight. And as usual my arms and lesser extent chest get fatigued fairly quickly. That tires me out even faster than my poor breathing. Is there a way to improve that? Bent arm lat pull downs? Or just more swimming? Thanks

Hey Cash, I am by no means a good swimmer and I could be totally wrong about this, but its something you might want to consider...

I don't think your chest should be getting sore when you swim.  You shouldn't use your chest muscles that much....its all shoulders, triceps and lats.  You might be crossing your arms across your body (which is something that I do, and I am working with a coach to fix it).  Try not to do this, and see if it helps in reducing your arm fatigue.

I DEFINITELY would try a pull buoy.  They help a lot!



2007-02-22 2:35 PM
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Stupid pull buoy questions.

Most pull buoys I see look like a figure 8 with one side bigger than the other. Does the big side go up or underneath your legs?

And where does the pull buoy go next to your crotch or just above your knees? I have seen people recommend both places.
2007-02-22 2:47 PM
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Cashmason - 2007-02-22 2:35 PM Stupid pull buoy questions. Most pull buoys I see look like a figure 8 with one side bigger than the other. Does the big side go up or underneath your legs? And where does the pull buoy go next to your crotch or just above your knees? I have seen people recommend both places.

Answer to both questions is...it doesn't matter.

If you put the bigger side underneath you - it will pull your legs up more.  It keeps you from sinking.  I would recommend this, but really, it doesn't matter THAT much.

A pull buoy is meant to keep you from kicking... I don't think it matters where you put it... as long as you are comfortable.

I am sure Dan can add something to this...

2007-02-22 2:49 PM
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Mid-Week Progress Report

triOK's group

No Mercy:  31.8%

kbkav:  0% <---- post your workouts and I will update this figure

firstriguy:  74.7%

poke4christ:  30.2%

erjellum:  89.7%

gator22:  38.7%

TyroneNYC:  40.0%

willie05:  63.3%

shultzboy:  31.5%

gc150:  %

triOK:  46.7%

Marvarnett's group

Cashmason: 45.2%

starcorp:  51.3%

mcole158:  47.0%

Marvarnett:  31.3%

 



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2007-02-22 2:58 PM
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216 minutes done out of 480 planned

Running
11.0 miles
Time: 1h 42m 38s
Avg. Pace: 9:20/mile
Swimming
1.0 miles
Time: 53m 33s
Avg. Pace: 53:52/mile
Spin Class

Time: 1h 00m 00s
2007-02-23 7:49 AM
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You're smoking Cash!!!In regards to the pull buoy. TriOK is pretty much right. BUT (there is always a but), I personally dound that it's easier if you put the big side towards the top of the water. For me, it's easier to keep between my legs and it provides more buoyancy. And I put it as close to my crotch as possible. Mainly because it keeps my hips up and it's easier to keep there. When it slides down towards my knees it tends to slip out for me.Try both ways (big end up and down) and see which one works better for you. But regardless of anything...USE IT!!


2007-02-23 2:50 PM
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314 minutes done so far for the challenge. Off to do another workout now.


Woot got pm from Team Javelin that I had been accepted! Question, I have a Tyr tri Top I wore last time, and I wore it with bike shorts. Problem is the top crept up to my rib cage, which meant the 10 pounds of Casper the Ghost whilte beer belly was bouncing in the wind in every race photo. Should I buy a size up or is there a way to keep this from happening?

Don't talk to me about 1 piece suits, I haven't figured out how to use the porta potties with that on.

Thanks

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2007-02-23 4:04 PM
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Dan, you train with an HRM, do you not? 
2007-02-23 4:49 PM
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triOK - 2007-02-23 5:04 PM Dan, you train with an HRM, do you not? 

Religiously!!  I feel naked when I forget it.  Why do you ask?

2007-02-23 4:52 PM
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Cashmason - 2007-02-23 3:50 PM 314 minutes done so far for the challenge. Off to do another workout now. Woot got pm from Team Javelin that I had been accepted! Question, I have a Tyr tri Top I wore last time, and I wore it with bike shorts. Problem is the top crept up to my rib cage, which meant the 10 pounds of Casper the Ghost whilte beer belly was bouncing in the wind in every race photo. Should I buy a size up or is there a way to keep this from happening? Don't talk to me about 1 piece suits, I haven't figured out how to use the porta potties with that on. Thanks Cash

I'll talk to you about 1 piece suits if I want to mister!!  :P  Actually, you just pull the leg up and do your business.  #2....you're on your own.

In regards to the Team Javelin stuff.  It's Sugoi.  So if you have a running store nearby, go try on some sizes.  I have found their sizing chart to be fairly accurate.  And for the love of all that is good...I DO NOT want to see those race pictures.  :P

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